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Madeleine McCann

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  • #1712
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    OwlsZat wrote: »
    The accusation is made as part of a witness statement which was linked. If you disagree wit the witness statement that's fine you've made your opinion known. Atacking someone for commenting on the statement made isn't shameful. Gaspar goes to great length to explain exactly what she meant in her statement which you obviously don't believe which is fine. I won't go attacking you for discrediting a witness statement. Accusing someone of lying under oath despite not being charged of any crime as you say.

    Under oath? She wasn't in court! There was no trial. Except the imagined one on this thread against the McCanns.

    It wasn't a witness statement in the sense that she wasn't even on the holiday in Praia de Luz. She met David Payne twice in her life. She didn't like him, fine, that's her perogative. She can't be sure whom he was talking about, her husband never heard him talking about Madeleine during the same conversation. No one else at the table backs up her statement.

    If you wish to hinge your warped views on this couple and their group of friends on one person's account of a gesture made at a table of a group of people, go right ahead, but expect to be called out when you make outrageous claims of wrongdoing without any proof.

    Some people are so twisted against this couple, they will go to any lengths to discredit them - the same people don't seem to have much of an opinion on the current suspect, who actually has been convicted of previous crimes against children. Unbelievable.


  • #1713
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    fineso.mom wrote: »
    If you've searched everywhere in the apartment and know your child couldn't have opened the door then it seems a natural thing to say.


    The door was left open. They left 3 kids in an unlocked apparent.


  • #1714
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    The door was left open. They left 3 kids in an unlocked apparent.

    You don't say??

    I don't think that's ever been mention before...


  • #1715
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    You don't say??

    I don't think that's ever been mention before...


    I know, hard to believe right?


  • #1716
    Babooshka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    Oh christ, leaving until this goes back to current discussion. Sick of the circles going around here.


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  • #1717
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Day Lewin wrote: »
    I may be the only person in the world who thinks that "They've taken her" is an absolutely normal thing to say. When you don't know who the culprit is, or how many of them there were.

    I went to my country cottage once and found it had been broken into.
    Window smashed, tools and small items stolen. Shed door wrenched off the hinge.
    They had thrown everything around, broken glass everywhere, and left a pool on the floor, it was awful.

    Oh, did I say "They"?
    I actually don't know if it was a him, a her, a them, one person, or a lot of them.

    It's a pronoun that is very commonly used as a vague him/her/them substitute.

    I rest my case.


    Really ? The apartment was open . Would you not look around for her 1st assuming she has gone wandering ? Or had a fall ?

    Even she's gone. Shes been taken . Shes not there. Shes wandered off

    They've taken her implies you know who has taken her


  • #1718
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Babooshka wrote: »
    Oh christ, leaving until this goes back to current discussion. Sick of the circles going around here.


    The point been made was she couldn't open the door


    I think it was a valid time to mention it wasn't locked.


    As I've said many times. There's an ignore function. Please add me to it.


  • #1719
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Really ? The apartment was open . Would you not look around for her 1st assuming she has gone wandering ? Or had a fall ?

    Even she's gone. Shes been taken . Shes not there. Shes wandered off

    They've taken her implies you know who has taken her


    If it was such a natural thing to say.


    People wouldn't keep bringing up how un-natural it was. People wouldn't have even noticed.


  • #1720
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    limnam wrote: »
    I know, hard to believe right?

    It was shockingly irresponsible. I think that has probably been mentioned before, too.
    Do you think they regret it? or not?
    Do you think that there are parents up and down the land who do this regularly until taught by you in this very thread?

    Though reckless, foolish and risky....it's not in the same league of crime as kidnapping, torture, rape or murder, - or the jails would be bursting.


  • #1721
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Lock the Tapas 7 up

    Wont be long until some of them are anway

    Tick tock


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  • #1722
    OwlsZat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Under oath? She wasn't in court! There was no trial. Except the imagined one on this thread against the McCanns.

    When you give a witness statement you are read a legal text which asks you to sign if you agree that everything you write is truthful.

    If you don't believe Gaspar you'd have to ask yourself why? What do you think she stood to gain from lying? Obviously, she wasn't purposely lying. Could she has misinterpreted the actions from the individual on a few occasions. Perhaps but seems unlikely.


  • #1723
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Really ? The apartment was open . Would you not look around for her 1st assuming she has gone wandering ? Or had a fall ?

    Kate did look for her all over the apartment. It's right there in her statement.
    Even she's gone. Shes been taken . Shes not there. Shes wandered off

    They've taken her implies you know who has taken her

    Why do people keep going on like there's a correct term to use when you discover your child goes missing? Is there a special code word I don't know about?

    Unless it's ever happened to you, you haven't the faintest idea what you would/should/could say. It's a ridiculous stick to beat someone with.


  • #1724
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Really ? The apartment was open . Would you not look around for her 1st assuming she has gone wandering ? Or had a fall ?

    Even she's gone. Shes been taken . Shes not there. Shes wandered off

    They've taken her implies you know who has taken her

    No, it doesn't. It means SOMEONE has taken her, - don't know who, or how many.


  • #1725
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Lock the Tapas 7 up

    Wont be long until some of them are anway

    Tick tock

    And the true colours come out ;)


  • #1726
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    dark crystal wrote: »
    And the true colours come out ;)

    Imagine thinking i'm the bad guy here . The world has gone mad. They should be made pay for their actions


  • #1727
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Day Lewin wrote: »
    It was shockingly irresponsible. I think that has probably been mentioned before, too.
    Do you think they regret it? or not?
    Do you think that there are parents up and down the land who do this regularly until taught by you in this very thread?

    Though reckless, foolish and risky....it's not in the same league of crime as kidnapping, torture, rape or murder, - or the jails would be bursting.


    While that's all correct, I was just pointing out to someone who thought the door was locked that it wasn't.


  • #1728
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    OwlsZat wrote: »
    When you give a witness statement you are read a legal text which asks you to sign if you agree that everything you write is truthful.

    If you don't believe Gaspar you'd have to ask yourself why? What do you think she stood to gain from lying? Obviously, she wasn't purposely lying. Could she has misinterpreted the actions from the individual on a few occasions. Perhaps but seems unlikely.

    After this reply, I'm giving you no more oxygen.

    No oath taken when making a witness statement.

    Not accusing her of lying. It's her interpretation, one which was not shared by her husband or anyone else at that table.

    One person's take on a single gesture is not enough to accuse a man of heinous crimes.

    Bye now.


  • #1729
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Really ? The apartment was open . Would you not look around for her 1st assuming she has gone wandering ? Or had a fall ?

    Even she's gone. Shes been taken . Shes not there. Shes wandered off

    They've taken her implies you know who has taken her

    She did search the apartment, it’s in her statement. But keep going.. the more you post, the little you actually know about the case becomes clear.


  • #1730
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    limnam wrote: »
    While that's all correct, I was just pointing out to someone who thought the door was locked that it wasn't.

    That poster never stated she thought the door was locked.


  • #1731
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Imagine thinking i'm the bad guy here . The world has gone mad. They should be made pay for their actions

    You’ve just openly called one of them a pedophile based off pretty much nothing 13 years after the fact, and you think these people haven’t paid for leaving their children unsupervised?

    How much more should this group have to pay for their mistake?
    People like you will be accusing them of all sorts of nasty things for the rest of their lives, is having their character assassinated by armchair detectives on FB and forums a decade and a half later not punishment enough?


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  • #1732
    Babooshka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    limnam wrote: »
    The point been made was she couldn't open the door


    I think it was a valid time to mention it wasn't locked.


    As I've said many times. There's an ignore function. Please add me to it.

    Why do you think everything is about you? You're right though you're a part of the problem. I don't have to do anything you dictate. And it's being made not been, you use it all the time, it's another annoying thing about you, get that right, at least.

    Edit: I meant to say above that it's another annoying thing about your posts, not you, I don't know you, it wasn't meant to be "personal", so apologies Limnam. I know you're not here to make friends as none of your posts are ever in the slightest bit friendly. Moving past this now and putting you on ignore, at your suggestion. End of.


  • #1733
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    limnam wrote: »
    The point been made was she couldn't open the door


    I think it was a valid time to mention it wasn't locked.


    As I've said many times. There's an ignore function. Please add me to it.

    This has been said before.. Kate McCann said she knew the door was too heavy for the children to open. That’s how she knew someone had taken her. Everybody knows the door was unlocked.

    Also she did not say ‘they’ve taken her’ until later.

    Her initial screams were ‘she’s gone’


  • #1734
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Don't wish to back seat mod but can we stop going over old ground in this thread. I thought it was in Current Affairs/IMHO so as to discuss recent developments.

    The True Crime & Unsolved Mysteries thread is probably a better place to keep going over stuff that has been done ad nauseam.


  • #1735
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Rock77 wrote: »
    This has been said before.. Kate McCann said she knew the door was too heavy for the children to open. That’s how she knew someone had taken her. Everybody knows the door was unlocked.

    Also she did not say ‘they’ve taken her’ until later.

    Her initial screams were ‘she’s gone’

    As well as that, if she had somehow managed to open the heavy sliding door, the chances are slim that she would then turn it around and close it perfectly behind her.


  • #1736
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    'You could have a lot of fun with Madeline'


    I've read and watched and listened to a lot on this case, and I'm on the anti McCann side, but I've never seen anything of him saying that


  • #1737
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Don't wish to back seat mod but can we stop going over old ground in this thread. I thought it was in Current Affairs/IMHO so as to discuss recent developments.

    The True Crime & Unsolved Mysteries thread is probably a better place to keep going over stuff that has been done ad nauseam.

    I agree entirely with you however when people continue to post things that are false, untrue, facts left out to suit their narrative other posters rightly call them out on it.


  • #1738
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Had to refresh myself in the night in question again.
    Bizarre behaviour by seemingly intelligent people. Unwilling to hire a babysitting service as they did not wish to upset the children's routine. There was reports that Maddie questioned Kate and Gerry why they didn't come when 'we were crying' the night before.
    The children were left alone for 3 hours each evening for several evenings.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489143/Kate-Gerry-left-Madeleine-hours-nights-row.html


  • #1739
    fineso.mom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭fineso.mom


    limnam wrote: »
    While that's all correct, I was just pointing out to someone who thought the door was locked that it wasn't.

    I never said the door was locked? It was stated that the door was too heavy/hard for Madeline to open.


  • #1740
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Babooshka wrote: »
    Why do you think everything is about you? You're right though you're a part of the problem. I don't have to do anything you dictate. And it's being made not been, you use it all the time, it's another annoying thing about you, get that right, at least.


    I'm not getting personal with you, why are you getting personal with me ?


    I'm not hear to entertain you or be your friend.


    I'm trying to discuss the case.


    Please stop getting personal with me.


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  • #1741
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You’ve just openly called one of them a pedophile based off pretty much nothing 13 years after the fact, and you think these people haven’t paid for leaving their children unsupervised?

    How much more should this group have to pay for their mistake?
    People like you will be accusing them of all sorts of nasty things for the rest of their lives, is having their character assassinated by armchair detectives on FB and forums a decade and a half later not punishment enough?

    No i didnt call him that so please retract .

    I would like them treated like a working class/middle class parent would've been . Not protected by the upper class

    I wanted social services involved at least regarding their other children and an investigation opened

    It was obvious being a parent didnt suit their lifestyle and they werent willing to change it .

    Im sure a lot of peoples opinion would be different if it wasnt 7 upper class people who went to a Tapas restaurant .

    Imagine it was 7 pro Brexit working class couples on holiday in Benidorm. They went to the local Brit pub to drink lager and play darts


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