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Madeleine McCann

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  • #1682
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,929 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ronivek wrote: »
    I’m really not sure how imprisonment and rehabilitation is meant to work when dangerous individuals have clearly not been rehabilitated and yet are repeatedly given soft sentences.

    Although to be fair to individual judges they don’t always have much discretion in terms of the maximum they can sentence people to.

    The thing about rehabilitation and pedophiles seems to be though that it can’t be proven. You can’t have a person go through say a year of psychological help, then do a test and say... “cured, fixed... back to normal life, the community etc"

    Plenty of pedophiles never act on their thoughts, desires or impulses as they relate to children. There is no ‘Pedo-meter’... pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder primarily. You don’t have to have abused to be a pedophile. Recidivism, IS low for this type of crime. Only a small enough percentage reoffend but that’s more to do with the nature of their crime and access to children once they are ‘known’...

    I can hit a tennis ball from my front door and hit the house of a pedophile. Guy raped his daughter, you never see him, he’s a hermit. Years ago when the story was breaking his next door neighbor... a young Garda with a young family, well liked BY everybody in the area, just up sticks and moved 10 kms away because of it and a tip off from colleagues.


  • #1683
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,848 ✭✭✭take everything


    Man this case is so weird.
    I'm not a McCann conspiracy person but that link about their friend Payne is bizarre.

    That whole place Praia de Luz is weird.


  • #1684
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    A dodgy, dodgy couple and this German guy is just another of the 20+ red herrings since 2007

    Today in their statement:
    We do not have a family spokesperson


    BBC, NBC & CNN all cite Clarence Mitchell as the McCann's representative:
    The McCann family's spokesman said Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, felt the new development was "potentially very significant".



    Clarence Mitchell, who has represented the family since Madeleine went missing, said that in 13 years he couldn't "recall an instance when the police had been so specific about an individual.



    "Of all the thousands of leads and potential suspects that have been mentioned in the past, there has never been something as clear cut as that from not just one, but three police forces", he said.
    The Guardian:
    Clarence Mitchell, the longtime spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann, said on Thursday morning: “Kate and Gerry do feel it’s potentially very significant. They have welcomed the appeal; they’re not doing any interviews themselves about it because they wish the focus to remain on the police request rather than they themselves.”



  • #1685
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    That horrible man Black, the murderous paedophile, was attacked in his prison cell by two fellow inmates.
    They damaged him quite seriously with chair legs and boiling liquids.

    Aw - I was so sorry for him ... NOT!!

    (Even common criminals have some standards of decency)

    Black was a horror of a person, and he had a very bad start in life, but ...that does not excuse wicked choices. Evil does exist.
    Just open the evening papers,


  • #1686
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,929 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Day Lewin wrote: »
    That horrible man Black, the murderous paedophile, was attacked in his prison cell by two fellow inmates.
    They damaged him quite seriously with chair legs and boiling liquids.

    Aw - I was so sorry for him ... NOT!!

    (Even common criminals have some standards of decency)

    Black was a horror of a person, and he had a very bad start in life, but ...that does not excuse wicked choices. Evil does exist.
    Just open the evening papers,

    Yep. It IS evil..

    Lots of people have bad starts in life but don’t end up sickos and paedophiles...


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  • #1687
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    The dm today are reporting they found USB devices buried under C.Bs dead dog. There is also more talk of chatroom conversations.

    Could there be imagery of Madeleine on the USB and he discussed the images in such detail in the chat that only the person who was there would have known?

    Also reports he was driving an even larger 30ft winnebago style motor home where police found swimsuits and clothing belonging to young girls.


  • #1688
    OwlsZat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    The dm today are reporting they found USB devices buried under C.Bs dead dog. There is also more talk of chatroom conversations.

    Could there be imagery of Madeleine on the USB and he discussed the images in such detail in the chat that only the person who was there would have known?

    Also reports he was driving an even larger 30ft winnebago style motor home where police found swimsuits and clothing belonging to young girls.

    Also reports CB mentioned smuggling weed and children in the motor home and denies any involvement...


  • #1689
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,026 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    OwlsZat wrote: »
    David Payne wouldn't have been attempted to pass off this pedo behaviour as humour unless he was already aware Gerry McCann shared his tendancies. The episode makes me thing they had also shared some prior pedo related experiences, or at minimum had discussed the subject matter in detail and shared similar beliefs. I believe it's a very revealing statement.

    Yeah its all so strange . Make you wonder why she was left alone in an open apartment every night . And the mother came back saying 'they've taken her'

    Ah im reaching of course but that statement is too weird for the mind not to.


  • #1690
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Yeah its all so strange . Make you wonder why she was left alone in an open apartment every night . And the mother came back saying 'they've taken her'

    Ah im reaching of course but that statement is too weird for the mind not to.

    To be honest I would read nothing into that. Liverpudlians can have odd turns of phrase. Mancunians are a bit the same. "Our Kid" doesn't literally mean "the child that we have"


  • #1691
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,026 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Lillyfae wrote: »

    To be honest I would read nothing into that. Liverpudlians can have odd turns of phrase. Mancunians are a bit the same. "Our Kid" doesn't literally mean "the child that we have"

    Ah i really cant agree with you. Kidda is used in Liverpool as a mate. A working class saying

    Why did they bath all the kids together aswel

    So strange that group


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  • #1692
    Mr E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,685 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Mod: Folks, stop making pedophilia claims without proof. Keep it up for a thread ban.


  • #1693
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,026 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Also he was the last person to see Madeline

    Furthermore his description of her afterwards . 'Very striking' 'Beautiful' 'Doll like' 'Petit' 'You could have a lot of fun with Madeline'

    She was 3


  • #1694
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Very hard to work out this story.. one person thinks the gesture made by David Payne was about Madeline and her husband doesn’t think it was.

    This just gets more weird everyday.

    This guy was sitting round a table of people, some people he didn’t know too well making sexual gestures about a small child whose parents were also there??

    Hard to believe... but if true, absolutely crazy stuff


  • #1695
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She remembers a gesture.. she thinks it was about Madeleine but she’s not sure.. she can’t remember anything else about the conversation.. can’t remember what they may have been discussing but she’s certain it happened in Leicester.. or was that Majorca? I can’t remember.. neither can she.. anyway she remembers remembering a gesture but can’t remember anything else about it..
    Her husband remembers too but he remembers nothing suspicious about it. They remember it so well but they never discussed it or anything about how strange or potentially inappropriate it was after that.

    Yeah. She sounds off her rocker.


  • #1696
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    retro:electro wrote: »
    She remembers a gesture.. she thinks it was about Madeleine but she’s not sure.. she can’t remember anything else about the conversation.. can’t remember what they may have been discussing but she’s certain it happened in Leicester.. or was that Majorca? I can’t remember.. neither can she.. anyway she remembers remembering a gesture but can’t remember anything else about it..
    Her husband remembers too but he remembers nothing suspicious about it. They remember it so well but they never discussed it or anything about how strange or potentially inappropriate it was after that.

    Yeah. She sounds off her rocker.

    I hear you. I did say it’s hard to believe. I have no doubt he made a gesture but it’s extremely unlikely it was about a child.


  • #1697
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Rock77 wrote: »
    I hear you. I did say it’s hard to believe. I have no doubt he made a gesture but it’s extremely unlikely it was about a child.

    It’s an extremely reckless and damaging statement to make about someone on a hunch when you can’t be 100% certain that’s what they were even talking about.


  • #1698
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    take everything wrote: »

    That whole place Praia de Luz is weird.


    I wouldn't bring a stray dog to it.


    Bizarre spot.


  • #1699
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    To be honest I would read nothing into that. Liverpudlians can have odd turns of phrase. Mancunians are a bit the same. "Our Kid" doesn't literally mean "the child that we have"


    Not sure how "they've taken her" can be put into local liverpoolian slang.


  • #1700
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Some freely available information about David Payne.


    http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2008/07/19/payne-suspected-of-paedophilia/


  • #1701
    OwlsZat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Outageous claims to make about a person who has never been investigated, never mind convicted of such a disgusting crime. You don't throw around insinuations like that will nilly. This is typical from the type of posters who are so convinced of the McCanns guilt, they will suggest the most deplorable things to make their accusations seem viable. I'm actually shocked this post has been left up. Shameful.

    It's an opinion, no more no less. If you disagree say you disagree. Your dealing in the abduction or accidental death of a child. Leave you faux shame drama at the door.


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  • #1702
    Mr E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,685 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    OwlsZat wrote: »
    It's an opinion, no more no less. If you disagree say you disagree. Your dealing in the abduction or accidental death of a child. Leave you faux shame drama at the door.

    Mod: It's something that can get boards.ie in legal trouble. Don't bring it up again.


  • #1703
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    OwlsZat wrote: »
    It's an opinion, no more no less. If you disagree say you disagree. Your dealing in the abduction or accidental death of a child. Leave you faux shame drama at the door.

    Shame drama, what are you even talking about?

    Your opinion is very dangerous - you DO NOT make accusations of paedophilia against any person unless you have proof of such.

    If David Payne or Gerry McCann have been convicted for sexual crimes against children, then post your opinion, otherwise, keep such disgusting insinuations to yourself. How would you like to be accused of something so heinous? On a public forum??


  • #1704
    OwlsZat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/pact-of-silence-madeleine-mccann-documentary

    Whatever your opinions on what happened. It's certain the people involved behaved very unsually.


  • #1705
    Babooshka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Some freely available information about David Payne.


    http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2008/07/19/payne-suspected-of-paedophilia/

    Information - not fact. There are rebuttles to every twisted statement, everything taken out of context here, it's an interesting read.

    http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main%20Page


  • #1706
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    OwlsZat wrote: »
    https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/pact-of-silence-madeleine-mccann-documentary

    Whatever your opinions on what happened. It's certain the people involved behaved very unsually.

    It's not certain - it's your opinion.


  • #1707
    OwlsZat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Shame drama, what are you even talking about?

    Your opinion is very dangerous - you DO NOT make accusations of paedophilia against any person unless you have proof of such.

    The accusation is made as part of a witness statement which was linked. If you disagree wit the witness statement that's fine you've made your opinion known. Atacking someone for commenting on the statement made isn't shameful. Gaspar goes to great length to explain exactly what she meant in her statement which you obviously don't believe which is fine. I won't go attacking you for discrediting a witness statement. Accusing someone of lying under oath despite not being charged of any crime as you say.


  • #1708
    fineso.mom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭fineso.mom


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Yeah its all so strange . Make you wonder why she was left alone in an open apartment every night . And the mother came back saying 'they've taken her'

    Ah im reaching of course but that statement is too weird for the mind not to.
    She didn't come back and say that, she said 'she's gone', or Madeline is gone'. She said 'they've taken her', later in the night. There's a report farther back in the thread. She ran back to the group and said 'she's gone' and some time later after searching she said 'they've taken her'. If you've searched everywhere in the apartment and know your child couldn't have opened the door then it seems a natural thing to say.


  • #1709
    Babooshka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    fineso.mom wrote: »
    She didn't come back and say that, she said 'she's gone', or Madeline is gone'. She said 'they've taken her', later in the night. There's a report farther back in the thread. She ran back to the group and said 'she's gone' and some time later after searching she said 'they've taken her'. If you've searched everywhere in the apartment and know your child couldn't have opened the door then it seems a natural thing to say.

    Yes this one annoys me so much, how conspiracy theorists take one statement and make it into the basis of their entire hunch, when it didn't even happen. So ridiculous.


  • #1710
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    I may be the only person in the world who thinks that "They've taken her" is an absolutely normal thing to say. When you don't know who the culprit is, or how many of them there were.

    I went to my country cottage once and found it had been broken into.
    Window smashed, tools and small items stolen. Shed door wrenched off the hinge.
    They had thrown everything around, broken glass everywhere, and left a pool on the floor, it was awful.

    Oh, did I say "They"?
    I actually don't know if it was a him, a her, a them, one person, or a lot of them.

    It's a pronoun that is very commonly used as a vague him/her/them substitute.

    I rest my case.


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  • #1711
    OwlsZat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    dark crystal wrote: »
    It's not certain - it's your opinion.

    You don't believe the tapas 7 lied at any point or you don't think the lying is unusual?


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