Digital ID's for everyone

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-06-2020 07:34PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Cool, and I like your diversion from the topic at hand.

Fact is (or factiod as I used: only casual slang for fact) was the other lad said himself he was happy to act 'against state advice' to prevent the spread of COVID).

Again, a good and irrelevant diversion.

Not what I said but hey it's not the first untruth you have told in the thread.

EyesClosed · 16-06-2020 07:35PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Cool, and I like your diversion from the topic at hand.

Fact is (or factiod as I used: only casual slang for fact):
Was the other lad said himself, he was happy to act 'against state advice' (to prevent the spread of COVID).
Do the right thing please folks.

Again, a good and irrelevant diversion EC, would score it 8/10.

Not what factoid means though is it?
Have a wee Google there

16-06-2020 07:36PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Are you claiming Bill does not want a COVID vaccine rolled out to everyone on the planet? (7 billion, give or take a few).

I'm saying that even if the quantum dot were to be readily available within 2 years which in itself isn't happening. It would be incredibly unlikely to be distributed globally, it would more realistically be targeted at the communities in the developing world which it's primarily developed to target. In addition getting through red tape in every jurisdiction to allow for it to be included with the vaccine simply isn't realistic to distribute on day one.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 07:37PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Not what I said but hey it's not the first untruth you have told in the thread.

'Untruth', lol so very Hilary 2016.

If find the time, or bothered wil certainly have a look for your comment, am 99% sure you acted against your states advice, by sitting on a park bench for hours, at the peak of the COVID pandemic.

Personally find this behaviour shameful when lives were at risk.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-06-2020 07:39PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

'Untruth', lol so very Hilary 2016.

If find the time, or bothered wil certainly have a look for your comment, am 99% sure you acted against your states advice, by sitting on a park bench for hours, at the peak of the COVID pandemic.

Personally find this behaviour shameful when lives were at risk.

I did indeed sit on a park bench for a couple of hours, no lives were put at risk, the local constabulary didnt seem too concerned with me so I dunno why it's got your panties so twisted.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 07:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm saying that even if the quantum dot were to be readily available within 2 years which in itself isn't happening. It would be incredibly unlikely to be distributed globally, it would more realistically be targeted at the communities in the developing world which it's primarily developed to target. In addition getting through red tape in every jurisdiction to allow for it to be included with the vaccine simply isn't realistic to distribute on day one.

Correct the developing world will be the 1st test bed for any vaccine, this is no secret, by default this best of classs immunity certification would compliment it.

There would be very little red tape anywhere for vaccine under pandemic, if anything countries would pay early for it, a vaccine based on shortened trials and acted upon, under emergency state licencing.

The option of an included best of best immunity cert (QDT), would be seen as a bonus, win-win and welcomed. The possibility of it's viability of being used as a unique digital identifer of citizens would not be given much thought. Perhaps this might even be welcomed, as a future cost saving measure.

Overheal · 16-06-2020 07:46PM

this thread isn’t about Covid or parks or benches or beefs people have with one another. A lot of this back and forth can go to PM but it can’t stay here.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 07:47PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I did indeed sit on a park bench for a couple of hours, no lives were put at risk

So your claim of an untruth was an untruth in itself, figured as much...(shortened summary).

Meanwhile (back on topic), DigitalID's for everyone?

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-06-2020 07:51PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

So your claim of an untruth was an untruth in itself, figured as much...(shortened summary).

Meanwhile (back on topic), DigitalID's for everyone?

No.

Dohnjoe · 16-06-2020 08:02PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Meanwhile (back on topic), DigitalID's for everyone?

The question: Will there be digital ID?
Answer: Perhaps for most. Like barcodes or mobile phones or digital cash, will probably become the norm.

Your question: Will there be digital ID forced on the populace for some nefarious but vague reasons because of this passage in the bible?
Answer: No

You keep trying to conflate the latter with the former.

16-06-2020 08:04PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Correct the developing world will be the 1st test bed for any vaccine, this is no secret, by default this best of classs immunity certification would compliment it.

There would be very little red tape anywhere for vaccine under pandemic, if anything countries would pay early for it, a vaccine based on shortened trials and acted upon, under emergency state licencing.

The option of an included best of best immunity cert (QDT), would be seen as a bonus, win-win and welcomed. The possibility of it's viability of being used as a unique digital identifer of citizens would not be given much thought. Perhaps this might even be welcomed, as a future cost saving measure.

But the reality is, the qdt would be of no use in most developed countries where vaccines records for a person are readily available so zero benefit and there's no real way they could make it required by any countries utilising the vaccine. On top of that since multiple vaccines will be used globally, it wouldn't be likely for it to be included with every one. Also Bill Gates will not be making any decisions about the distribution of the vaccines.

Also covid vaccines are being targeted in regions where there is high occurrences of the virus so no, the developing world is not being used as a test bed for the vaccine.

Mind pointing me to where Bill Gates said everyone will be getting a quantum dot btw. It's strange how pilot schemes for digital id aren't even using it....

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 08:31PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The question: Will there be digital ID?
Answer: Perhaps for most. Like barcodes or mobile phones or digital cash, will probably become the norm.

Agree, digital wallets, cashless societies and cryptocurrencies will become the norm. Some states (China&Aus) already have QRCode enabled digital products that are scanned to allow access or goods and services.

This is a natural progression over the coming decades. Nothing wrong with a gradual slow move to this system (apart from the million in Chinese 'reeducation' camps, who have to scan their face, then scan a QRCode their way past ever door and entry point). Can be a force for either good and/or suppression. Application is everything.

Push it in globally within the next few years, or even before 2030, who knows the consqeuences or effects on society.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Your question: Will there be digital ID forced on the populace...

Incorrect, never, ever forced in the 'West'

Forced maybe in China/NK or some Middle East states.
'Pushed' for the rest of the world.

Enticed and proposed as a great solution, under a sudden great crisis (problem, reaction, solution). Even as a strong mandatory requirement, this still isn't a force, it's simple persuasion to an elegant solution.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 08:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Mind pointing me to where Bill Gates said everyone will be getting a quantum dot btw. It's strange how pilot schemes for digital id aren't even using it....

Everyone is getting the vaccine as he proposes, naturally an immunity certificate would be required, this QDT is the most effective solution, is there anything better? e.g. Smart phone apps: many proven failure points already.

Pilot schemes for DigitalID do use a UnID (unique alphanumeric identifers), that create the pairing part of the (any) raw biometric data collection, before the Azure blockchain encryption process can be utilised effectively. The QDT can easliy become this user assigned UnID part (of the pairing).

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-06-2020 08:48PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Everyone is getting the vaccine as he proposes, naturally an immunity certificate would be required, this QDT is the most effective solution, is there anything better? e.g. Smart phone apps: many proven failure points already.

Pilot schemes for DigitalID do use a UnID (unique alphanumeric identifers), that create the pairing part of the (any) raw biometric data collection, before the Azure blockchain encryption process can be utilised effectively. The QDT can easliy become this user assigned UnID part (of the pairing).

Evidence for this claim?

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 09:10PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Evidence for this claim?

More to the point, evidence for the case not?
Gates has stated on numerious occasions across media (google yourself, aint got the time) that both 'everyone on the planet' and also that '7 billion' in it's first iteration (pre further mutation) will be needed.

'7bn' and 'everyone' are neither a figure that suggests its for the 'few'.

Think it was his own blog (NotesfromGates or something) that hinted at 14bn likely needed at the early stages.

A pandemic needs circa 70% (majority) saturation before any concept of herd immunity are good.
Only have to look at NZ today, first break outs after a long absense.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-06-2020 09:15PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

More to the point, evidence for the case not?
Gates has stated on numerious occasions across media (google yourself, aint got the time) that both 'everyone on the planet' and also that '7 billion' in it's first iteration (pre further mutation) will be needed.

'7bn' and 'everyone' are neither a figure that suggests its for the 'few'.

Think it was his own blog (NotesfromGates or something) that hinted at 14bn likely needed at the early stages.

A pandemic needs circa 70% (majority) saturation before any concept of herd immunity are good.
Only have to look at NZ today, first break outs after a long absense.

You made the claim

"Everyone is getting the vaccine as he proposes"

Nowhere is there proof that everyone will have to get it, sure you will now make ludicrous claims of being banned from XYZ and that refusal will result in not being allowed ABC but you have no proof for those claims.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 10:06PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

"Everyone is getting the vaccine as he proposes"

You can twist words all day, there is no denying his (Gates) clear intention is for 'everyone on the planet to get the covid vaccine', hence his 7bn production target, other wise he'd scale that down to a few million and save a billion.

Certainly, yes there is scope for you to refuse (depending on location), and nullify the chance of chillax on a beach in Benedorm next year, or whizz through the chunnel.

Last week your own SoS said he fully reserves the right to use and enforce manditory vaccinations across the uk.

16-06-2020 10:41PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

You can twist words all day, there is no denying his (Gates) clear intention is for 'everyone on the planet to get the covid vaccine', hence his 7bn production target, other wise he'd scale that down to a few million and save a billion.

Certainly, yes there is scope for you to refuse (depending on location), and nullify the chance of chillax on a beach in Benedorm next year, or whizz through the chunnel.

Last week your own SoS said he fully reserves the right to use and enforce manditory vaccinations across the uk.

He supports the people getting vaccinated. He's not going to be in charge of the health bodies purchasing or distributing it. Can you point to where bill Bill Gates states that everyone receiving the vaccine will be getting a quantum dot or point to him even saying that he's considering pushing for it to go with the vaccine? No, you say? Then what you are engaging in is invention...

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-06-2020 10:41PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

You can twist words all day, there is no denying his (Gates) clear intention is for 'everyone on the planet to get the covid vaccine', hence his 7bn production target, other wise he'd scale that down to a few million and save a billion.

Certainly, yes there is scope for you to refuse (depending on location), and nullify the chance of chillax on a beach in Benedorm next year, or whizz through the chunnel.

Last week your own SoS said he fully reserves the right to use and enforce manditory vaccinations across the uk.

So no proof for your claims?

Glad we could clarify that.

Conspiracy exsists in your head alone.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 10:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you point to where bill Bill Gates states that everyone receiving the vaccine will be getting a quantum dot or point to him even saying that he's considering pushing for it to go with the vaccine?.

Can you point to the small matter of immunity certificates, and the potential perfect, and most elegant solution to a complex issue?
No you say?

Perhaps Bill will be along in the coming months, after spending millions on this exact specifc brief, using the brightest minds from MIT, with the best of class soloution.

Obvs, it's now getting some mixed press and feedback, so he'll likely keep it on the low low for as long as possible, or until actual rollout.

Afterall, getting technology-tattooed with what is in effect, a modern day serial number, aka data mark embodiment, isn't all that enticing to the public at large.

Anyway time will tell, maybe they'll just use an aul App, with a picture saying "i gots de vac soz I did". Or a printed t-shirt to wear saying likewise, just after the jab, and a sugarcube as the sweetner.

So, how'd that App tracker trial over in the IoWight go?

Not so good, or mixed results you say?

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 10:55PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So no proof for your claims?

So you alone are claiming Bill now 'does not' want everyone (or even as many as possible, in terms of billions) vaccinated against covid. And isn't hoping for a manufacture target of 7bn doses.

This all Ssunds much like an untruth. Still glad we could clarify your illogical thought process e.g. Covid is over everyone, let the good times roll, no mass vaccinations are required.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-06-2020 10:57PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

So you alone are claiming Bill now 'does not' want everyone (or even as many as possible, in terms of billions) vaccinated against covid. And isn't hoping for a manufacture target of 7bn doses.

This all Ssunds much like an untruth. Still glad we could clarify your illogical thought process e.g. Covid is over everyone, let the good times roll, no mass vaccinations are required.

Show proof for your claims, not supposition or conspiracies, actual proof.

16-06-2020 10:58PM

Immunization certs aren't hugely necessary in most developed countries where everyone's vaccines tend to be recorded. You keep ignoring that its primary use case is developing countries where such information isn't tracked. The necessity is drastically diminished even in the likes of Ireland.

He spends billions on such research projects so it's equally as likely to never see the light of day as are many of the other pieces of research he funds.

By the way, removing the portions of my responses that you couldn't be bothered addressed is fairly silly.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 10:59PM

7bn, also ideally at point of birth.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/bill-gates-what-you-need-to-know-about-a-coronavirus-vaccine.html

Gates said that once a usable vaccine is ready to go, it should be distributed to health-care workers first and then to people in low-income countries. The world will eventually need 7 billion doses or more if it’s a multidose drug, Gates said. He added that the Covid-19 vaccine will likely become part of newborn immunization schedules.

″It might be a bit hard to see right now, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. We’re doing the right things to get a vaccine as quickly as possible,” Gates said.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-06-2020 11:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Immunization certs aren't hugely necessary in most developed countries where everyone's vaccines tend to be recorded.

For COVID they will very most likely be necessary.

This isn't any old flu, this is wuflu.

Bejing is now closing down it's largest wet market, as someone infected dozens of people there. NZ is in a panic this week after new cases were presented by non symptomatic (not vaccined) folks from the uk arrived in and tested positve after a few days, wrecking their clear status.

16-06-2020 11:07PM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

7bn, also ideally at point of birth.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/bill-gates-what-you-need-to-know-about-a-coronavirus-vaccine.html

And where does he refer to a quantum dot once in the article? Nowhere you say? You'd imagine it'd be a great moment to mention it but nope... He says everyone needs to eventually needs to be vaccinated for it. You've just attached your dot to it. Even though it's still in incredibly early stages of research.

Dohnjoe · 17-06-2020 12:09AM

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Perhaps Bill will be along in the coming months, after spending millions on this exact specifc brief, using the brightest minds from MIT, with the best of class soloution.

Obvs, it's now getting some mixed press and feedback, so he'll likely keep it on the low low for as long as possible, or until actual rollout.

Afterall, getting technology-tattooed with what is in effect, a modern day serial number, aka data mark embodiment, isn't all that enticing to the public at large.

Anyway time will tell, maybe they'll just use an aul App, with a picture saying "i gots de vac soz I did". Or a printed t-shirt to wear saying likewise, just after the jab, and a sugarcube as the sweetner.

So, how'd that App tracker trial over in the IoWight go?

Not so good, or mixed results you say?

"Perhaps Bill is up to something nefarious, perhaps not, but he is"

17-06-2020 12:30AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"Perhaps Bill is up to something nefarious, perhaps not, but he is, maybe"

"I'm just asking questions!
Like: Why is Bill Gates trying to microchip every one?
When did Bill Gates become a servant of Satan?
How many babies does he eat every day?"

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-06-2020 07:06PM

King Mob wrote: »

"I'm just asking questions!
Like: Why is Bill Gates trying to microchip every one?
"

Ah the aul false much lolz lazy assumption (yet again in an act of information distortion) that this simple QDT (data mark/emboidment), is an actual chip or even processor.

For the 10th time, this is not a 'microchip', comprende?

n o t a m i c r o c h i p.

Has he planned to implant chips in many people before you say?
Certainly, yes indeed.

However, new technologies e.g. quantumdottattos mean this isn't always the case.

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-06-2020 07:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And where does he refer to a quantum dot once in the article?

And where does it explain the means or methid of immunity certification?
Nowhere in the article, you say?

Hmm, wonder how they'll manage to check whom out of 7bn has taken the vaccine, and on what date, and which release version, and validate the actual identity of any of these 7bn subjects for record keeping.

Hold on, didn't Bill brief the very exact this problem (along with $millions of funding) to his own medi-tech team and MIT?
Yes indeed.

And what did they (MIT) suggest is the best of class solution to this small matter, you ask?
Actually, something called the Quantum Dot Tattoo.

Digital ID's for everyone

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