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General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

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  • #5222
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well michael Martin wants to fill out the Fianna Fáil Taoiseach loyalty card.

    Interesting that there is a group of FF members who are against it and the Green Party need to get two thirds support. Lads this may be as cut and dry as we think.

    Surely it was inevitable that he would be taoiseach after the election results, I am surprised by his party opposition, if it means another election they will be slaughtered, people just aren't in the mood for it in the current climate


  • #5223
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272624471992664068

    If you're FG, you start praying to your deity of choice that the FF or Greens grassroots reject the PFG, thus achieving a new election without having seen to have been the cause of it. They can just so "we tried, not our fault them over there caused it to fail"

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272623592166100993

    The #notmytaoiseach brigade will be spitting feathers this evening

    FF grassroots might be sobered up by those poll numbers and be happy to be at the trough.

    FG need to pray for a FF and Green dogmatic rejection.


  • #5224
    bennyl10
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    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    FF grassroots might be sobered up by those poll numbers and be happy to be at the trough.

    FG need to pray for a FF and Green dogmatic rejection.

    Don’t FF just need a straight majority?
    They’ll get that no problem. Revolt from some sections or not


  • #5225
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Don’t FF just need a straight majority?
    They’ll get that no problem. Revolt from some sections or not

    I've no idea how it works tbh.


  • #5226
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,850 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Don’t FF just need a straight majority?
    They’ll get that no problem. Revolt from some sections or not

    Greens need 2/3rds I believe, which might be far harder achieved.


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  • #5227
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Don’t FF just need a straight majority?
    They’ll get that no problem. Revolt from some sections or not

    Yes they just need 50% +1 which will be easily achieved considering pretty much the entire parliamentary party is backing it.

    No cabinet positions are being announced before the votes are counted so Micheál Martin will drive his TD's to get the yes vote out. Those that fail will not be at the cabinet table or any where near it, simple as.


  • #5228
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    All 3 parties have to ride out the 4.5 years ahead, work hard to minimise the economic damage that still hasn't crystallised yet and take on Sinn Féin over the issues and highlight the negatives of what their policies would result in.


  • #5229
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Greens need 2/3rds I believe, which might be far harder achieved.

    Ya the greens are the issue

    Fg and Ff won’t be an issue at all, barring all Tds, Cllrs and grassroots all turning, which won’t happen


    The greens, ya that’s flip a coin and take a guess


  • #5230
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,850 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Ya the greens are the issue

    Fg and Ff won’t be an issue at all, barring all Tds, Cllrs and grassroots all turning, which won’t happen


    The greens, ya that’s flip a coin and take a guess

    A lot more puritans not for turning in the Greens grassroots, and that's before even considering the context of battle lines being drawn for their leadership contest.


  • #5231
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    A lot more puritans not for turning in the Greens grassroots, and that's before even considering the context of battle lines being drawn for their leadership contest.

    If the deputy leader is on board then we have a government

    If she is anti this deal in any sense, I can see us very quickly back to the polls


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  • #5232
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,501 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It'll be interesting watching them.

    Take the deal and the greens will at least get something out of it.
    Reject the deal, trigger an election, lose seats and their all back to squabbling on twitter to pass the time.


  • #5233
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,501 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    If she is anti this deal in any sense, I can see us very quickly back to the polls

    Catherine Martin voted for it. Francis Noel Duffy abstained. Mad stuff. :pac:


  • #5234
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,688 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    If the deputy leader is on board then we have a government

    If she is anti this deal in any sense, I can see us very quickly back to the polls

    I think she can't be seen to reject it with the whole leadership thing pending. She won't want an accusation of taking political party advantage. Her husband abstaining is interesting.


  • #5235
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Catherine Martin voted for it. Francis Noel Duffy abstained. Mad stuff. :pac:

    She's going to have a portfolio though. Of course she voted for it.


  • #5236
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Catherine Martin voted for it. Francis Noel Duffy abstained. Mad stuff. :pac:

    Of all the things I expected to read tonight...


    This is going to be a bat-S few weeks


  • #5237
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Catherine Martin voted for it. Francis Noel Duffy abstained. Mad stuff. :pac:

    That’s very odd, you’d think she’s in his ear somehow on this.


  • #5238
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,252 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Ya the greens are the issue

    Fg and Ff won’t be an issue at all, barring all Tds, Cllrs and grassroots all turning, which won’t happen


    The greens, ya that’s flip a coin and take a guess
    Same was said back in 2007 about the deal with FF

    They voted overwhelming to go into government.


  • #5239
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,883 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Same was said back in 2007 about the deal with FF

    They voted overwhelming to go into government.

    Wide-eyed innocence and a belief they had five years of unbridled wealth to spend on their ideals ahead of them.

    This time neither the innocence nor the promise of riches exists!


  • #5240
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,524 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    L1011 wrote: »
    Wide-eyed innocence and a belief they had five years of unbridled wealth to spend on their ideals ahead of them.

    This time neither the innocence nor the promise of riches exists!
    Nevertheless, unlike politicians who want office for its own sake, the Greens for the most part want office as a means to an end - viz, to implement Green policies. And most of them recognise that they only way they are ever going to be in any position to implement any Green policies at all is by being willing to accept office when the opportunity arises.


  • #5241
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,871 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Nevertheless, unlike politicians who want office for its own sake, the Greens for the most part want office as a means to an end - viz, to implement Green policies. And most of them recognise that they only way they are ever going to be in any position to implement any Green policies at all is by being willing to accept office when the opportunity arises.

    It is quite a contrast with the likes of Sinn Fein and the Social Democrats. They lack the self-confidence to take part in government and are interested more in power for power's sake than any real wish to change society.


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  • #5242
    rob316
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    I'll take back Leo for another few years over Martin.


  • #5243
    namloc1980
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    Martin is going to be a very unpopular Taoiseach. I'm not sure there's anything he could do to change that.


  • #5244
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,139 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    L1011 wrote: »
    Wide-eyed innocence and a belief they had five years of unbridled wealth to spend on their ideals ahead of them.

    This time neither the innocence nor the promise of riches exists!

    I wouldn't say the inncocene is gone. Not many of these TD from the Green Party have senior hurling experience as shown by one of the negotiators in Nessa Hourighan voting to abstain. I'd say one thing if it was a TD who wasn't part of that team but she was and she voted to abstain. I just don't get it.

    The older Green Party members seem to have a more broad outlook and aren't as rigid. The new wing lead by the likes of saoirse mchugh who seemed to get notoriety above what her position warranted, as she wasn't elected twice seem rigid and it wouldn't surprise me if she herself was against this deal.


  • #5245
    mgn
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    Itssoeasy wrote: »


    I wouldn't say the inncocene is gone. Not many of these TD from the Green Party have senior hurling experience as shown by one of the negotiators in Nessa Hourighan voting to abstain. I'd say one thing if it was a TD who wasn't part of that team but she was and she voted to abstain. I just don't get it.

    The older Green Party members seem to have a more broad outlook and aren't as rigid. The new wing lead by the likes of saoirse mchugh who seemed to get notoriety above what her position warranted, as she wasn't elected twice seem rigid and it wouldn't surprise me if she herself was against this deal.

    McHugh was on the radio this morning saying she was against the deal and would be campaigning to reject going into government.


  • #5246
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,139 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    mgn wrote: »
    McHugh was on the radio this morning saying she was against the deal and would be campaigning to reject going into government.

    Not surprising. I hadn’t heard the radio this morning but I was working off her previous comments where she cut the legs off Eamonn Ryan during the general election I think.


  • #5247
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    mgn wrote: »
    McHugh was on the radio this morning saying she was against the deal and would be campaigning to reject going into government.

    Failed to get elected twice. Why does she get so much airtime?


  • #5248
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,582 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    rob316 wrote:
    I'll take back Leo for another few years over Martin.
    Thoughts of either is a nightmare.


  • #5249
    mgn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Not surprising. I hadn’t heard the radio this morning but I was working off her previous comments where she cut the legs off Eamonn Ryan during the general election I think.

    The same Mchugh has very high opinions of herself, don't be surprised if you see her running in the next presidential election with Ming the turf cutter campaigning for her like he did in the last general election


  • #5250
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,582 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    namloc1980 wrote:
    Failed to get elected twice. Why does she get so much airtime?
    You know I was about to thumbs up your post but then I thought about it and she's definitely one of the three most well known GP members nationally.


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  • #5251
    mgn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Failed to get elected twice. Why does she get so much airtime?

    Because the likes of the fluffy greens can do no wrong in the eyes of the Irish media.


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