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  • #182
    oriel36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    You guys are so sweet but 666 is from the same level of consideration as why the Egyptians chose the angle of inclination of the Great Pyramid.

    I will give a clue for one who has wisdom -

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Chrismon_Sancti_Ambrosii.jpg/220px-Chrismon_Sancti_Ambrosii.jpg

    Just put 432 on top and learn the language of this mathematical symbolism -

    https://books.google.ie/books?id=5VOGAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA10&lpg#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Wish I could do more but then again it is a lost language to many but loved by very few.


  • #183
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You think the bible predicts the future?
    Show where any claim was made: as to the entire complete book itself, being a sports type almanac that has one main purpose: of predictions.


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Can you point out which part of this book is predicting what today?
    Can you not be so silly, perchance?


  • #184
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    oriel36 wrote: »
    You guys are so sweet but 666 is from the same level of consideration as why the Egyptians chose the angle of inclination of the Great Pyramid.

    I will give a clue for one who has wisdom -
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Chrismon_Sancti_Ambrosii.jpg/220px-Chrismon_Sancti_Ambrosii.jpg
    Just put 432 on top and learn the language of this mathematical symbolism -
    https://books.google.ie/books?id=5VOGAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA10&lpg#v=onepage&q&f=false
    Wish I could do more but then again it is a lost language to many but loved by very few.
    Sounds legit.

    A nice simple minimal static jpg image, and link to an empty book page, can't argue with any of that.


  • #185
    oriel36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    Callie Billions Author wrote: »
    Sounds legit.

    A nice simple minimal static jpg image, and link to an empty book page, can't argue with any of that.

    You guys are so cute and your response is half-curios.

    Try 432 + 234 or maybe 432/2 = 6*6*6

    It is a work of art albeit written in a language that few can read unless you are a Christian.


  • #186
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    oriel36 wrote: »
    You guys are so cute and your response, to be fair, is half-curios.

    Try 432 + 234 or maybe 432/2 = 6*6*6

    It is a work of art albeit written in a language that few can read unless you are a Christian.

    [ My goodness, how did the mathematical symbolism of the Book of Revelation end up in a conspiracy forum !. Whoever transferred it to this forum mustn't have been a Christian, after all, the Johannine author pointedly laid down clues]


    There are various interpretations, e.g. hand meaning actions, head (between the eyes) meaning thoughts. As it stands 666 remains valid as a unique, precise and human number.


    This was transferred from where it actualy belongs to CT, because someone didn't like it in the holy forum, and further more, no one had offered a single view on the matter. Hear no evil, see no...


    Anyway the sunshine now beckons, good luck with the 432-234 stuff.


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  • #187
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭lalababa


    Ferajacka wrote: »
    I personally cannot wait for the chip to be introduced, it'll make it easier to travel, pay for things and track all medical and revenue records.Now if this is the mark of the beast as "predicted" 2000 years ago I find this facinating that people of that time could have insight into such technologies that might come in, years later.

    Grand here, not so good in China.


  • #188
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Callie Billions Author wrote: »
    Show where any claim was made: as to the entire complete book itself, being a sports type almanac that has one main purpose: of predictions.

    Not a claim, it's a question

    Do you personally believe there's a link between "mark of the beast" in the bible and digital ID stuff?

    If not, then why are you filling a thread called "mark of the beast" with your views on digital stuff?


  • #189
    oriel36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    Callie Billions Author wrote: »
    There are various interpretations, e.g. hand meaning actions, head (between the eyes) meaning thoughts. As it stands 666 remains valid as a unique, precise and human number.


    This was transferred from where it actualy belongs to CT, because someone didn't like it in the holy forum, and further more, no one had offered a single view on the matter. Hear no evil, see no...


    Anyway the sunshine now beckons, good luck with the 432-234 stuff.

    You guys are fine as I stumbled across this thread and it is quaint watching non-Christians dither around with the clues. The Revelation of Chi-Rho has been with me for 30 years so it is not something you express but something you sink into as a Christian.

    Be careful with the Chi-Rho symbol and it's circular structure as it surpasses even the geometry of the Great Pyramid in its significance, then again, these symbols exclude those who don't have a feel for them.


  • #190
    the purple tin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    oriel36 wrote: »
    You guys are fine as I stumbled across this thread and it is quaint watching non-Christians dither around with the clues. The Revelation of Chi-Rho has been with me for 30 years so it is not something you express but something you sink into as a Christian.

    Be careful with the Chi-Rho symbol and it's circular structure as it surpasses even the geometry of the Great Pyramid in its significance, then again, these symbols exclude those who don't have a feel for them.


    Do you know anything about the triangle and its signifigance. I was reading that it is very important in lots of ancient cultures. Christianity too- the trinity etc.


  • #191
    oriel36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    the purple tin wrote: »
    Do you know anything about the triangle and its signifigance. I was reading that it is very important in lots of ancient cultures. Christianity too- the trinity etc.

    Ah, the triangle -

    https://www.goldennumber.net/triangles/

    At another time in my life these things were so resonant and especially the 4 angles of quasi-periodic tiling 36°, 72°, 108° and 144° representing the equivalent of the DNA of those old monuments and symbols -

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Quasicrystal

    https://www.pinterest.ch/dubath/penrose-tiling/

    Every now and again I sent out clues including those ones 8 years ago but the geometric language doesn't resonate nor does it's relevance. Although dismaying sometimes, it is fine nor is it in my nature to push the works and symbolism beyond what is necessary, after all, the original structures are not mine even though I can give them a contemporary resonance. Why does 144 and 144,000 appear in two different ways within the Johannine work ?, what is the link between 153 and 666 ?, these things become clear with time just as a stain glass window lights up once the Sun's light shines through it.

    I love what my ancestors did and how they did it and fair dues to those who still make the effort, that effort will always be worthwhile. If it is any help, remember the words of Galileo -

    “You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself.”

    Whoever moved the thread to a conspiracy forum should be ashamed of themselves and is no Christian.


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  • #192
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    King Mob wrote: »
    Lol.

    You seem to be having some issues which basic terms.

    A finger is not a hand.
    A face is not a forehead.

    And this program doesn't actually use a mark.
    It uses a fingerprint and a face scan.
    It does not involve your quantum dot tattoos.

    It also seems to use blockchain technology, something you previously insisted could only be used with a quantum dot tattoo.

    You also seem to have cut out part of my post.

    Since this thread has been moved from the christianity forum, it makes it very obvious what your beliefs are and how they contradict your denials and dodges from the other thread.

    Do you have no comment on that?
    Do you think that people should just pretend you weren't being dishonest and deceptive about your position?

    Why do you feel you need to be so dishonest, deceptive and evasive about your actual beliefs?

    You seem to forget that John had a limited way to explain how the mark of the beast could work. He was seeing a vision of the future and had to interpret it with his Bronze Age world view. I think the book is eerie and a warning to all mankind that the end of days approach. There are numerous references in the bible to technology that has only appeared in the last 30 years. The mark of the beast could never be implemented until recently. A finger is part a hand and a forehead is part of the face. It’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise.


  • #193
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    oriel36 wrote: »

    [ My goodness, how did the mathematical symbolism of the Book of Revelation end up in a conspiracy forum !. Whoever transferred it to this forum mustn't have been a Christian, after all, the Johannine author pointedly laid down clues]

    The notion that passages in a book are a "prophecy" or "foretell" or "predict" anything in the distant future is of course absurd. The conspiracy forum seems to be a sluice for anything far-fetched or fantastical - probably why it wound up here.


  • #194
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Not a claim, it's a question

    Do you personally believe there's a link between "mark of the beast" in the bible and digital ID stuff?

    If not, then why are you filling a thread called "mark of the beast" with your views on digital stuff?


    And refusing to discuss "mark of the beast " stuff in the thread "digital ID's for everybody" :D

    When asked there he refers to religion as "skygod stuff"

    Very hypocritical imo.


  • #195
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    pearcider wrote: »
    You seem to forget that John had a limited way to explain how the mark of the beast could work. He was seeing a vision of the future and had to interpret it with his Bronze Age world view. I
    Well no, I'm not forgetting that.
    John didn't see anything because there's no such thing as a supernatural prophesy.

    People are simply making connections were none exist.
    They did the same with barcodes.


  • #196
    oriel36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The notion that passages in a book are a "prophecy" or "foretell" or "predict" anything in the distant future is of course absurd. The conspiracy forum seems to be a sluice for anything far-fetched or fantastical - probably why it wound up here.

    To be a prophet is not an arbitrary dictator of future events but a very specific type of person -

    " 'Prophets in the modern sense of the word have never existed
    Jonah was no prophet in the modern sense for his prophecy of
    Nineveh failed Every honest man is a Prophet he utters his
    opinion both of private & public matters/Thus/If you go on So/the
    result is So/He never says such a thing shall happen let you do
    what you will. a Prophet is a Seer not an Arbitrary Dictator."

    William Blake


    It is interpretation and not speculative future conditions which makes a person a prophet - it may disappoint those who look at the Johannine work as something other than prophetic/poetic language that it actually is but it rewards those who take a more balanced and inspirational approach to the masterpiece.


  • #197
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    oriel36 wrote: »
    Ah, the triangle -

    https://www.goldennumber.net/triangles/

    At another time in my life these things were so resonant and especially the 4 angles of quasi-periodic tiling 36°, 72°, 108° and 144° representing the equivalent of the DNA of those old monuments and symbols -

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Quasicrystal

    https://www.pinterest.ch/dubath/penrose-tiling/

    Every now and again I sent out clues including those ones 8 years ago but the geometric language doesn't resonate nor does it's relevance. Although dismaying sometimes, it is fine nor is it in my nature to push the works and symbolism beyond what is necessary, after all, the original structures are not mine even though I can give them a contemporary resonance. Why does 144 and 144,000 appear in two different ways within the Johannine work ?, what is the link between 153 and 666 ?, these things become clear with time just as a stain glass window lights up once the Sun's light shines through it.

    I love what my ancestors did and how they did it and fair dues to those who still make the effort, that effort will always be worthwhile. If it is any help, remember the words of Galileo -

    “You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself.”

    Whoever moved the thread to a conspiracy forum should be ashamed of themselves and is no Christian.

    Unsurprisingly they moved it as the mods in here are just a part of the same big tech nexus that dominates discussion on the internet such as twitter and YouTube. They will routinely delete demonetise and shadow ban conservative and Christian views and promote left wing orthodoxy, atheistic and techno cratic world views and other new age religions and cults.


  • #198
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    King Mob wrote: »
    Well no, I'm not forgetting that.
    John didn't see anything because there's no such thing as a supernatural prophesy.

    People are simply making connections were none exist.
    They did the same with barcodes.

    That’s just your opinion of the good book and the good men who wrote it. Your opinion that John just made it up means nothing to Christians like me. The Bible is full of truth for those who would read it with their eyes open and most importantly so is the battle between good and evil. You cannot deny that the mark of the beast would be impossible to implement in Bronze Age culture and indeed in any time period save the last ten years. The hour grows late.


  • #199
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    pearcider wrote: »
    That’s just your opinion of the good book and the good men who wrote it.
    No, it's a fact. There's no such thing as supernatural prophesies. The fact you really really want supernatural prophesies to be real doesn't make them so.

    Everything you are claiming now, has been claimed before about things like barcodes.
    Those people were wrong.

    What's the difference between those claims and yours?


  • #200
    oriel36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    pearcider wrote: »
    Unsurprisingly they moved it as the mods in here are just a part of the same big tech nexus that dominates discussion on the internet such as twitter and YouTube. They will routinely delete demonetise and shadow ban conservative and Christian views and promote left wing orthodoxy, atheistic and techno cratic world views and other new age religions and cults.

    To be fair to the Johannine author using an expanded mathematical-symbolic language known to many societies in antiquity, the greatest failing of humanity is found in mediocrity or a lack of inspiration.

    I don't fault people for unfamiliarity but rather those who misdirect the work whether they be Christian or not, after all, the author doesn't make it easy for the reader to discern the relentless tattoo of numbers and symbols.

    I am glad people try their hand at resolving the use of numbers as they apply to the future but the structure is internal to the book itself and to the wider inspirational/spiritual language of Christ.

    So, the Revelation of Chi-Rho -

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Chrismon_Sancti_Ambrosii.jpg/220px-Chrismon_Sancti_Ambrosii.jpg


    Once again, the symbolism has been with me for 30 years including the contemporary use of geometry borrowed from the so-called Phi proportion or Divine proportion as it was once known.


  • #201
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    King Mob wrote: »
    No, it's a fact. There's no such thing as supernatural prophesies. The fact you really really want supernatural prophesies to be real doesn't make them so.

    Everything you are claiming now, has been claimed before about things like barcodes.
    Those people were wrong.

    What's the difference between those claims and yours?

    That’s not a fact actually. That’s just what you think. You are not all knowing. My claim, that the mark of the beast technology and indeed world government is only possible quite recently in human history is a verifiable fact though.


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  • #202
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    pearcider wrote: »
    That’s not a fact actually. That’s just what you think. You are not all knowing.
    Nope. Still a fact. Supernatural prophesies don't exist.
    They are fantasy.
    This is the real world.
    pearcider wrote: »
    My claim, that the mark of the beast technology and indeed world government is only possible quite recently in human history is a verifiable fact though.
    Yes, and people claimed this with barcodes.
    They've been claiming it's the end times since the bible was written.
    They've all been wrong.


  • #203
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    King Mob wrote: »
    Nope. Still a fact. Supernatural prophesies don't exist.
    They are fantasy.
    This is the real world.


    Yes, and people claimed this with barcodes.
    They've been claiming it's the end times since the bible was written.
    They've all been wrong.

    Not sure why you keep mentioning barcodes. It’s irrelevant. The Bible is not fantasy to billions of people so your small minded opinion of the supernatural is also irrelevant.


  • #204
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    pearcider wrote: »
    Not sure why you keep mentioning barcodes. It’s irrelevant.
    It's relevant and I keep bringing it up because people used to claim that barcodes were the mark of the beast and a sign that the end times were coming.
    Your belief is exactly the same, just with different technology.

    You can't seem to explain why your belief is superior or substantially different, so bringing up barcodes is an effective way to highlight the silliness of claiming things about the mark of the beast.
    pearcider wrote: »
    The Bible is not fantasy to billions of people
    Sure. And your belief in the mark of the beast is not shared by millions. It's a fringe belief not shared by many people at all.
    pearcider wrote: »
    so your small minded opinion of the supernatural is also irrelevant.
    But it's not my opinion, it's a fact.
    There's no such thing as supernatural prophesies. Much like how there's no such thing as fairies or magic.
    These are things that only exist in fantasy.


  • #205
    oriel36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    King Mob wrote: »
    There's no such thing as supernatural prophesies. Much like how there's no such thing as fairies or magic.

    The etymology of the term 'magic' goes back to magus or the magi - people who could predict astronomical events thereby they had status in society -

    https://www.etymonline.com/word/magi


    Take a step back and look at the issue from a 21st century perspective so nobody has their nose put out of joint and without condescension.

    I can make a future prediction in the old sense of the word within context of observations-interpretations-predictions. The late 17th century theorists attempted to change it to observations-experiments-predictions which is why astronomy and many terrestrial sciences are presently a train wreck or an exercise in voodoo chanting .

    Make the upcoming prediction out of interpretation -

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/


  • #206
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    oriel36 wrote: »
    The etymology of the term 'magic' goes back to magus or the magi - people who could predict astronomical events thereby they had status in society -

    https://www.etymonline.com/word/magi


    waffle waffle waffle....

    But magic isn't real guys.

    Not sure why this needs to be explained to adults...


  • #207
    oriel36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    King Mob wrote: »
    But magic isn't real guys.

    Not sure why this needs to be explained to adults...

    Anyone who can make a prediction out of interpretation of observations will look like magicians/ prophets as in the old sense of the word.

    Don't tell me you are afraid of a graphic of the solar system and present time lapse taken from a satellite tracking with the Earth's orbital motion ?.

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    Scroll the dates forward and you will see Mercury about to overtake the slower moving Earth with the central/stationary Sun orchestrating our orbital motions.

    It is all new so take your time, after all, many here have been poisoned by the observations-experiments-predictions dummies since the late 17th century.


  • #208
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    oriel36 wrote: »
    Anyone who can make a prediction out of interpretation of observations will look like magicians/ prophets as in the old sense of the word.
    Uh huh?

    Magic isn't real though.

    Supernatural prophesies aren't real.

    There's no such thing as the mark of the beast.

    Fairies don't live in the forest.

    There is no Santa Claus.

    Again, these are things we learn as adults.


  • #209
    oriel36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    King Mob wrote: »
    Uh huh?

    Magic isn't real though.

    That is why you are fine as you are caught up in words without knowing the meaning such as prophesy, predictions, magicians/magus and so on.

    The notion of supernatural is recent and serves those who lack inspiration/spirituality therefore you fall for a trap that people with wider perspectives rarely do.

    Inspiration is real and a human entitlement for those willing to set aside the indoctrination which attempted to remove observations-interpretation-predictions as a balanced human view.

    I am done here.


  • #210
    one world order
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭one world order


    We exist in this world in the physical body flesh and spiritual soul. So yes the supernatural is very real.


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  • #211
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    oriel36 wrote: »
    That is why you are fine as you are caught up in words without knowing the meaning such as prophesy, predictions, magicians/magus and so on.

    The notion of supernatural is recent and serves those who lack inspiration/spirituality therefore you fall for a trap that people with wider perspectives rarely do.

    Inspiration is real and a human entitlement for those willing to set aside the indoctrination which attempted to remove observations-interpretation-predictions as a balanced human view.

    I am done here.

    Lol, yes. You've proven whatever point you were waffling about. Good job.

    You guys are kinda killing any credibility this topic might have had.


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