Why do so many people become dry so young?

the_syco · 12-06-2020 09:32PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

some of the lads who are only around 30 wont go to a rave or lads holiday to Ibiza etc anymore.

Haven't gone to Ibiza yet; it's too hot for me. More into metal. In saying that, the last time I went to an illegal rave until 8am in a warehouse somewhere in Tallaght was a few months back. I'm only 38 though.

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

Drink is similar on a lesser scale. I can't cope with the hangovers.

Although I drink less than I used to, I know what I can handle now. I can get fairly drunk, but still be able to walk home. Or I can get nearly fairly drunk and slow the pace down a bit.

Have found out what food to have next day to cure the hangover. Found a feed at around 7pm and again at 3am, and a sh|te before I hit the bed will ensure the hangover isn't that bad next day.

In saying that, I can no longer go on a 4 day bender

Can only go on a 2 day bender before I need sleep or my body starts to rebel (the fear?).

Feisar wrote: »

Thirty-six, still enjoy a good session, priorities shift though, our baby is almost a year old so there are more important things in life than waking up wondering where I am and who the hell is that. Plus my wife wouldn't be impressed!

IMO, outlook of life changes when you have a kid. I know of one lad whom I thought would have been dead long ago, either by drinking & doing every drug that he could get his hands on, or just pissing off the wrong person (he had a knack for that); got a kid, copped the fcuk on.

The Mighty Quinn · 12-06-2020 09:35PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

im not 40 but I wouldn't agree with ya to be honest. I dont party like I did when I was 18 either, im talking about a few techno gigs a year.

live and let live, i wouldnt judge anyone of any age clubbing. There are people in their 40's and 50's who are a lot cooler than some 25 year old who thinks they are old.

Yeah I agree with you on the live and let live. Probably just the worrier in me, but I can't help but think a person in their 20s can usually take a hammering with drink and drugs. A person in their 50s is more likely to impacted worse?

Maybe not. A 50 something year old taking pills probably has their heart under more pressure than a 20 something.

SEPT 23 1989 · 12-06-2020 09:36PM

Your family and work are your anchors

They stop you drifting

A tear up every now and again never did a man any harm

pgj2015 · 12-06-2020 09:36PM

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

Yeah I agree with you on the live and let live. Probably just the worrier in me, but I can't help but think a person in their 20s can usually take a hammering with drink and drugs. A person in their 50s is more likely to impacted worse?

Maybe not. A 50 something year old taking pills probably has their heart under more pressure than a 20 something.

lol never thought about that, but if they are fit and healthy im sure they would be fine. :pac:

the_syco · 12-06-2020 09:40PM

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

Probably just the worrier in me, but I can't help but think a person in their 20s can usually take a hammering with drink and drugs. A person in their 50s is more likely to impacted worse?

A person in their 20's will take anything, and drink to impress others. A person in their 50's will know who to buy from, will know how to spot bad quality drugs, and will have more experience in knowing how to pace themselves.

The Mighty Quinn · 12-06-2020 09:41PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

lol never thought about that, but if they are fit and healthy im sure they would be fine. :pac:

At some point the risk:reward ratio makes it not worth gambling your life for a fun night. This will obviously vary wildly from person to person, and indeed many people have no idea of their own tolerance or otherwise until they dabble. Usually no ill consequence, sometimes fatal consequences.

Feisar · 12-06-2020 09:42PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Your family and work are your anchors

They stop you drifting

A tear up every now and again never did a man any harm

As my grandad used to say, “a little madness now and then is relished in the best of men.”

pgj2015 · 12-06-2020 09:43PM

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

At some point the risk:reward ratio makes it not worth gambling your life for a fun night. This will obviously vary wildly from person to person, and indeed many people have no idea of their own tolerance or otherwise until they dabble. Usually no ill consequence, sometimes fatal consequences.

meh sure look at all the people who have locked themselves into their houses because of covid-19, im talking about young healthy people. fcuk it ya gotta live.

The Mighty Quinn · 12-06-2020 09:43PM

the_syco wrote: »

A person in their 20's will take anything, and drink to impress others. A person in their 50's will know who to buy from, will know how to spot bad quality drugs, and will have more experience in knowing how to pace themselves.

Maybe. And if its a regular habit for the older person, they will have learned a bit along the way. However if its some fella on a stag with a bunch of lads who decides "feck it, I'll try it", well, results could be bad. Of course they'll probably be no worse than a hangover or tiredness.

L1011 · 12-06-2020 09:45PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

I reckon we will be back raving again this time next year. full capacity

Festival tickets have rolled over to 2021.

2020 hadn't sold out pre-COVID, I believe the remaining capacity has since sold out for 2021!

pgj2015 · 12-06-2020 09:47PM

L1011 wrote: »

Festival tickets have rolled over to 2021.

2020 hadn't sold out pre-COVID, I believe the remaining capacity has since sold out for 2021!

what festival were you going to?

Church on Tuesday · 12-06-2020 09:58PM

It's called maturity.

Seanachai · 12-06-2020 10:09PM

Life can beat you up a bit, mentally and physically, responsibility even if you're single can weigh you down a bit. I do believe life is cyclic though and there's no reason why a healthy person couldn't go back into a scene later in life if they wanted to.

I barely drink anymore, I do enjoy it when I do though and I'll have a smoke too, I mightn't have the yen to do it again for a month.

Some people are in relationships with controlling partners that keep them on a tight leash, I have a friend in this situation. He had 3-4 pints last Christmas and the phone started hopping for him to go home and he had barely been out during the year. He seems drained, even though there's still a bit of a spark in him.

I wonder sometimes if the push to legalise drugs is people in their 30's-50's wanting pharma-grade substances because they can't handle the harsh comedowns anymore.

L1011 · 12-06-2020 10:12PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

what festival were you going to?

Luminosity outside Amsterdam.

Probably going to be a constant trickle of refund resales as they're letting anyone with a 2020 ticket refund up until the week or so before.

SusieBlue · 12-06-2020 10:24PM

One of my best friends is like this, she lives in fear that there’s a murderer around every corner. We can usually manage her pretty well but booking holidays is an absolute nightmare because she can be so unreasonable.

Case in example, she visited her sister in Oz a few years back and stopped over in Kuala Lumpur en route. She didn’t like the airport and it freaked her out so now she refuses to go to anywhere in Asia.
She won’t consider Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, China or Cambodia as travel destinations because she didn’t like one airport, which she never even left. Her layover was only a few hours and yet she has written off a whole continent cause of it.

We’re late 20’s now but when we were younger we did the usual stints in Ibiza/Magaluf which she never came on because she was too afraid.
Last year we did a multi city trip to the west coast of the USA, and for weeks she refused point blank to consider Las Vegas as one of the stops.
This was the first and only time none of us would back down, we told her she’d have to find another city to go to on her own for a few days because no way were we missing out. She had a miraculous change of mind, went, and absolutely loved it.

We started discussing potential trips for next year yesterday and we were all really excited at the idea of going to Dubai, and now she’s sulking because she doesn’t want to go and she’d rather go to Lanzarote for a 2 week package holiday instead and no one is up for it.

We pandered to her for years so it’s probably our fault too but it’s exhausting trying to convince her we aren’t about to be raped and murdered in any location that isn’t a Spanish tourist trap.
Her lack of enthusiasm and dryness has ruined the atmosphere on many an occasion, I don’t understand how she cheats herself out of so many amazing experiences because she’s afraid of the worst case scenario happening.

pgj2015 · 12-06-2020 10:30PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

One of my best friends is like this, she lives in fear that there’s a murderer around every corner. We can usually manage her pretty well but booking holidays is an absolute nightmare because she can be so unreasonable.

Case in example, she visited her sister in Oz a few years back and stopped over in Kuala Lumpur en route. She didn’t like the airport and it freaked her out so now she refuses to go to anywhere in Asia.
She won’t consider Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, China or Cambodia as travel destinations because she didn’t like one airport, which she never even left. Her layover was only a few hours and yet she has written off a whole continent cause of it.

We’re late 20’s now but when we were younger we did the usual stints in Ibiza/Magaluf which she never came on because she was too afraid.
Last year we did a multi city trip to the west coast of the USA, and for weeks she refused point blank to consider Las Vegas as one of the stops.
This was the first and only time none of us would back down, we told her she’d have to find another city to go to on her own for a few days because no way were we missing out. She had a miraculous change of mind, went, and absolutely loved it.

We started discussing potential trips for next year yesterday and we were all really excited at the idea of going to Dubai, and now she’s sulking because she doesn’t want to go and she’d rather go to Lanzarote for a 2 week package holiday instead and no one is up for it.

We pandered to her for years so it’s probably our fault too but it’s exhausting trying to convince her we aren’t about to be raped and murdered in any location that isn’t a Spanish tourist trap.
Her lack of enthusiasm and dryness has ruined the atmosphere on many an occasion, I don’t understand how she cheats herself out of so many amazing experiences because she’s afraid of the worst case scenario happening.

You definitely wont ever see her again when she settles down with some guy/girl.

pgj2015 · 12-06-2020 10:31PM

L1011 wrote: »

Luminosity outside Amsterdam.

Probably going to be a constant trickle of refund resales as they're letting anyone with a 2020 ticket refund up until the week or so before.

cool, hopefully it will go ahead next year so.

pgj2015 · 12-06-2020 10:34PM

Seanachai wrote: »

Life can beat you up a bit, mentally and physically, responsibility even if you're single can weigh you down a bit. I do believe life is cyclic though and there's no reason why a healthy person couldn't go back into a scene later in life if they wanted to.

I barely drink anymore, I do enjoy it when I do though and I'll have a smoke too, I mightn't have the yen to do it again for a month.

Some people are in relationships with controlling partners that keep them on a tight leash, I have a friend in this situation. He had 3-4 pints last Christmas and the phone started hopping for him to go home and he had barely been out during the year. He seems drained, even though there's still a bit of a spark in him.

I wonder sometimes if the push to legalise drugs is people in their 30's-50's wanting pharma-grade substances because they can't handle the harsh comedowns anymore.

A few of my mates are like that as well, its sad to see.

If a women isnt a raver/partier I couldnt see myself ever being with someone like that.

L1011 · 12-06-2020 10:56PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

A few of my mates are like that as well, its sad to see.

If a women isnt a raver/partier I couldnt see myself ever being with someone like that.

Easy answer to that - find your partner in that scene. Its two tickets I have for that festival for a reason

It also isn't a woman, but there's plenty of women in to it.

screamer · 12-06-2020 11:04PM

I think it’s called growing up and it happens to most of us at some time between mid 20s and 30s.
Thank Christ. The old slobbering 50 something year olds who think they’re hard men on the drink in the pub are the ones who I think never grew up and wasted their lives pissing them away.

pgj2015 · 12-06-2020 11:11PM

L1011 wrote: »

Easy answer to that - find your partner in that scene. Its two tickets I have for that festival for a reason

It also isn't a woman, but there's plenty of women in to it.

that is exactly what I plan to do.

pgj2015 · 12-06-2020 11:13PM

screamer wrote: »

I think it’s called growing up and it happens to most of us at some time between mid 20s and 30s.
Thank Christ. The old slobbering 50 something year olds who think they’re hard men on the drink in the pub are the ones who I think never grew up and wasted their lives pissing them away.

pissed their lives away or had a great time? just because you don't agree with the way they live their life, doesn't mean your way is the right way.

12-06-2020 11:27PM

Never liked dance music, techno etc and having to do security on a few ministry of sound gigs was the final nail in that coffin.

Still like to go to concerts, live gigs etc. Never get hangovers so that's not an issue. Life can get in the way etc as you get older for some things, but don't really miss going to the pub and then late bars/clubs on the weekend. Prefer one good regular night out with mates, back to one of our places for more music, chat and whiskey.

whisky_galore · 12-06-2020 11:28PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Young people are too busy protesting these days to be going to raves

Yep. Boring Puritan farts, too busy being offended by everything.

L1011 · 12-06-2020 11:30PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Never liked dance music, techno etc and having to do security on a few ministry of sound gigs was the final nail in that coffin.

Welcome to the Dublin crowd.

Realistically never had the same scumbag % audience even outside Dublin.

pgj2015 · 12-06-2020 11:33PM

L1011 wrote: »

Welcome to the Dublin crowd.

Realistically never had the same scumbag % audience even outside Dublin.

A Dublin rap gig crowd is far far worse than a Dublin techno crowd. most ravers are ok in my experience. dont think iv ever seen a fight at a techno gig in Dublin.

chrissb8 · 12-06-2020 11:37PM

screamer wrote: »

I think it’s called growing up and it happens to most of us at some time between mid 20s and 30s.
Thank Christ. The old slobbering 50 something year olds who think they’re hard men on the drink in the pub are the ones who I think never grew up and wasted their lives pissing them away.

I have always laughed at this line of thinking from a fully grown adult.

Provided you pay your way, responsible where it counts and not hurting anyone do as you wish.

Is it not a bit infantile to box people into groups like grown up and not grown up based on a bunch of arbitrary criteria?

I think it's more pathetic when a fully grown adult doesn't have the balls to live the life they want to live and curbing to fictitious pressures like some 16 year old adolescent.

screamer · 12-06-2020 11:42PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

pissed their lives away or had a great time? just because you don't agree with the way they live their life, doesn't mean your way is the right way.

Said the pot to the kettle. Yep I think a life pissed away is very sad, pathetic in fact. I don’t much care what pisscats do with their lives, if all they have to make love to is a pint glass so be it. Most of us don’t want to end up that way, and thankfully most of us don’t.

screamer · 12-06-2020 11:44PM

chrissb8 wrote: »

I have always laughed at this line of thinking from a fully grown adult.

Provided you pay your way, responsible where it counts and not hurting anyone do as you wish.

Is it not a bit infantile to box people into groups like grown up and not grown up based on a bunch of arbitrary criteria?

I think it's more pathetic when a fully grown adult doesn't have the balls to live the life they want to live and curbing to fictitious pressures like some 16 year old adolescent.

It’s no more pathetic than calling people who mature and don’t see the draw of this lifestyle any longer “dry”.....

12-06-2020 11:45PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

pissed their lives away or had a great time? just because you don't agree with the way they live their life, doesn't mean your way is the right way.

Talk to most barmen and they pity most of the barley kings sitting in their pub all night getting pissed, but the owner loves them.

Trying to get rid of them at closing time is a pain in the hole or having to ban them for being arseholes and getting aggressive.

Had a great uncle that fitted the bill, lost his family over it, and his mates in the pub disappeared when the money did, but was always having a great time according to himself.

Why do so many people become dry so young?

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