George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

2u2me · 11-06-2020 01:48AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Windrush pretty much sums up how the authorities in the UK view Afro-Caribbeans.

If windrush shows how the UK view Afro-Caribbeans, does the Japaneses internment camps show how the US view Asians?(which you didn't mention earlier)

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Although the Chinese were treated appallingly they, or any other Asians, were never slaves. They were never considered livestock. They did not have laws enacted just to keep them segregated from white Americans.

"Japanese Americans and other Asians in the U.S. had suffered for decades from prejudice and racially-motivated fear. Laws preventing Asian Americans from owning land, voting, testifying against whites in court, and other racially discriminatory laws existed long before World War II."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066

Overheal · 11-06-2020 01:49AM

Ardillaun wrote: »

As David Petraeus points out here, it is beyond weird that African-American soldiers can still find themselves in US military bases named after Confederate generals.

Trump has threatened to block any such change. So we won’t see it happen for another year

Then again if protests keep up like this he might not have much of a choice if he favors re election.

Overheal · 11-06-2020 02:37AM

for those interested this entire youtube series is about policing problems in the usa

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO79iP69FaZNwKCVkjpz2HA9zwZin6vfT

2u2me · 11-06-2020 03:33AM

Eric Weinstein talks about Daniel Shaver and Tony Timpa who were both killed on video because instructions given by police were not possible to be carried out without error.

We all know it would have been painted as racist had those men been black.

"If I can't tell you you're wrong; you're not my equal"

He breaks down the Floyd situation from an interesting angle here.

Manic Moran · 11-06-2020 05:11AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Terminator Cop does not quit until he gets his man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1He2En2Zts

Well, glad to see that the police get as much support in the UK as they do in the US.

Not only do they not in any way attempt to help, but they mock the officer. A**holes.

I would like to think more citizens would be wiling to pitch in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqAtdo19rUE

,

https://www.foxnews.com/us/utah-man-tackles-fleeing-suspect-like-nfl-hardest-hits-to-aid-police-officer

,

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/man-praised-a-hero-for-crash-tackling-offender-as-he-walks-his-dog/news-story/6256775c7ee1ffebbf689d98add20115

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrt1ERPWrqQ

for better examples. There is still some hope.

But, no, if they get harassed and mocked for trying to do their job, no wonder they're going to feel disassociated from society. It's not just the police separating themselves from the citizenry, it works the other way as well.

HalloweenJack · 11-06-2020 06:47AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53002805

This is surely Trump stoking the fires. Instead of listening and doing something that is relatively simple (compared to addressing attitude problems in the police forces, systemic racism, etc.), he gets riled up and doubles down. He is not interested in even attempting to heal the country's open wounds.

On the other hand, this guy gets it:

In an op-ed on Tuesday backing the idea, retired four-star US Army general David Petraeus wrote of his time at Fort Bragg: "The irony of training at bases named for those who took up arms against the United States, and for the right to enslave others, is inescapable to anyone paying attention."

ThunbergsAreGo · 11-06-2020 07:09AM

Christy42 wrote: »

The police budget for this year alone is 193million. So they should be able to handle 55 million easily enough really.

What about the owners of the properties, the businesses etc?

joe40 · 11-06-2020 08:10AM

kildare lad wrote: »

I've read up a good bit about Churchill and he'd no love for Irish people , told Collins hed reinvade if he didn't sort out the anti treaty IRA. But if I went to England I wouldn't go demanding his statue or cromwells statue to be taken down. You're in their country, if you don't like it tough sh*t. None of the blacks in England are descended from slaves , their parents or grandparents werent forced to go there. So what are they pulling down statues for . If they're that against the slave trade , why don't they go to Africa now where's there's millions of slaves in this day and age

https://qz.com/africa/1333946/global-slavery-index-africa-has-the-highest-rate-of-modern-day-slavery-in-the-world/

There were plenty in Bristol of all backgrounds taking down that statue. It has been controversial for awhile, not just for the black community.

Mister Vain · 11-06-2020 08:14AM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1266222112458629120

:pac: Even in the midst of chaos he's still afraid he will offend the social justice brigade.

joe40 · 11-06-2020 08:18AM

2u2me wrote: »

This is the problem I have with all this vicarious sin. Either we're all guilty or none of us are.

None of us are guilty of what happened in the past, no one is saying that.
Modern day Brits aren't guilty about atrocities in Ireland it is simply part of Britains history.
These protests are about current Events in the US not historical crimes.

joe40 · 11-06-2020 08:33AM

kildare lad wrote: »

You might be surprised to know but if you read enough history , blacks weren't the only people to be slaves , Romans ,Egyptians , Greek , they all used slaves even Irish were taken as slaves by the Vikings every civilization through history used slaves . you can even go back to ww2 where the germans worked people to death building for them . How about child slavery in India making clothes that's still going on . Blacks in America would have the same experience of slavery that I have. ... None

Yes even the Irish used slaves. But a lot of that slavery has been lost in the mists of time.
Blacks in America can draw a straight line from African slave trade to civil war to abolition to segregation in the southern states, 60s civil rights protests Lynching etc right up modern day grievances.

Their recent recordabe history has been tied with slavery.

Similar to ours with famine, emmigration, independence, partition ,trouble in the North. Only recently easing

Christy42 · 11-06-2020 08:58AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

What about the owners of the properties, the businesses etc?

The city can set up an assistance fund with the money previously mentioned.

Silentcorner · 11-06-2020 09:07AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

What about the owners of the properties, the businesses etc?

They don't care...they don't care about the families that are now homeless, they don't care about the people who have lost their livelihoods.

We know that economic destruction has a brutal effect on men, higher rates of suicides, higher rates of marital/family breakdown....more kids are going to grow up in homes without their dads, do you think they care?

We know that kids who grow up without their fathers experience child abuse at higher levels, perform poorly in school, more likely to commit crime, go to jail, do drugs, do you think they care about those lives?

Those celebrities who paid for rioters and looters who were caught by the police won't lose a minutes sleep thinking about the damage they have caused....they'll probably be boasting about what they did at dinner parties, as will the ordinary morans they no doubt inspired to do the same as them!!!

Those 220 buildings those thugs destroyed were people's homes, people's businesses, that allowed them to keep a roof over their families heads....it is those people I feel sorry for the most, the innocent hard working people that all those celebrities don't give a f##k about!

No doubt there will be posters here who don't give a f##k about those people either...they took a knee...sure that makes them pure!!!

Kermit.de.frog · 11-06-2020 09:23AM

Movies being targeted now. Good luck if your 90 year old grandmother wants to watch an old movie like GWTW...not allowed anymore

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/winds-of-change-is-cancelling-the-classics-really-the-answer-39276986.html

hetuzozaho · 11-06-2020 09:38AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Movies being targeted now. Good luck if your 90 year old grandmother wants to watch an old movie like GWTW...not allowed anymore

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/winds-of-change-is-cancelling-the-classics-really-the-answer-39276986.html

So much misinformation these days. People are allowed to watch gone with the wind.

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2020 09:43AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Movies being targeted now. Good luck if your 90 year old grandmother wants to watch an old movie like GWTW...not allowed anymore

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/winds-of-change-is-cancelling-the-classics-really-the-answer-39276986.html

how many times are people going to post the same piece of misinformation across multiple threads?

joe40 · 11-06-2020 09:51AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how many times are people going to post the same piece of misinformation across multiple threads?

It is fcuking tiresome. Just checked 4disc collectors set available on Amazon.

biko · 11-06-2020 09:52AM

biko wrote: »

Not going so good

SeattleAutonomousZone now has a warlord. It’s been 2 days.

https://twitter.com/RHGR/status/1270814875200245760

11-06-2020 09:56AM

biko wrote: »

SeattleAutonomousZone now has a warlord. It’s been 2 days.

https://twitter.com/RHGR/status/1270814875200245760

Wonder was his mixtape any good..

Overheal probably considers this progress..

Peregrinus · 11-06-2020 10:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wonder was his mixtape any good..

Overheal probably considers this progress..

Dunno about Seattle, but I'd consider it progress if people didn't uncritically accept as true overblown stuff that they read in pseudonymous comments to posts on pseudonymous twitter accounts.

11-06-2020 10:03AM

Well, if you can't trust Twitter who can you trust?..

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-06-2020 10:04AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Movies being targeted now. Good luck if your 90 year old grandmother wants to watch an old movie like GWTW...not allowed anymore

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/winds-of-change-is-cancelling-the-classics-really-the-answer-39276986.html

Blatantly false.

11-06-2020 10:07AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

So much misinformation these days. People are allowed to watch gone with the wind.

It was removed from the HBO streaming service, and they tweeted about their reasons for doing so. ie a stand against racism. That's what kicked the spread off. It's not been banned or removed from other sites.

Sheep_shear · 11-06-2020 10:11AM

biko wrote: »

SeattleAutonomousZone now has a warlord. It’s been 2 days.

Whilst I've no idea of the truthiness of that, I mean we all know that if you remove the police, law and order, then *something else* takes on that role. All of history shows that that's usually something akin to a warlord or a gang.

But sure yeah, dismantle the police.

hetuzozaho · 11-06-2020 10:11AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was removed from the HBO streaming service, and they tweeted about their reasons for doing so. ie a stand against racism. That's what kicked the spread off. It's not been banned or removed from other sites.

That's what kicked what?

I was just saying we are allowed watch gone with the wind. And we'll be able to watch it on hbo again too when they put it back up.

yourdeadwright · 11-06-2020 10:24AM

So turns out the 75 year old Martin Gugino is a long time radical protester that has been arrested over 300 times and 82 times for inciting ,

Yes he did not deserve to get his head split open , but it was an unfortunate accident that occurred when the police pushed him away ,

"Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional agitator and Antifa provocateur… On Friday Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown admitted Gugino was a professional ‘agitator’ who tried to work up the crowd and had been asked to leave the area ‘numerous’ times.”

“During his effort Gugino was attempting to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo police officers.”

11-06-2020 10:25AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

That's what kicked what?

I was just saying we are allowed watch gone with the wind. And we'll be able to watch it on hbo again too when they put it back up.

Kicked the idea that it was being banned elsewhere too. And yes, i expect it'll be put back up soon... just a good example of virtue signalling going badly wrong.

Peregrinus · 11-06-2020 10:26AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So turns out the 75 year old Martin Gugino is a long time radical protester that has been arrested over 300 times and 82 times for inciting ,

Yes he did not deserve to get his head split open , but it was an unfortunate accident that occurred when the police pushed him away ,

"Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional agitator and Antifa provocateur… On Friday Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown admitted Gugino was a professional ‘agitator’ who tried to work up the crowd and had been asked to leave the area ‘numerous’ times.”

“During his effort Gugino was attempting to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo police officers.”

You've put the claim that Gugino is a "professional agitator and Antifa provocateur" in inverted commas; you'er obviously quoting somebody. But you don't tell us who you're quoting.

At the same time you obviously accept the claim as true yourself, so you obviously regard this person as reliable and creditworthy.

So who is it? If you want us to accept the claim, you'll have to give us some reason to.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 11-06-2020 10:29AM

Apologies if it was posted already..

"Thomas Keirnan Lane, one of the four former Minneapolis police officers charged in the alleged murder of George Floyd, is out of jail. Hennepin County records show that Lane bonded out Wednesday afternoon."

"Lane was hired by the department in February 2019. His attorney, Earl Gray, has said Lane had only been on active duty for four days as of the incident. Because of that, Gray argued, it was “unreasonable” to expect Lane to attempt to remove Chauvin’s leg from Floyd’s neck. The lawyer also asserted that Lane asked Chauvin if Floyd should be rolled over and that Lane tried to perform CPR on Floyd in the ambulance.

“What was my client supposed to do but follow what his training officer said?” Gray said. “Is that aiding and abetting a crime?”

"Minneapolis police policies require “every sworn employee present at any scene where physical force is being applied to either stop or attempt to stop another sworn employee when force is being inappropriately applied or is no longer required.”

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/thomas-lane-one-of-four-ex-cops-charged-in-george-floyds-death-is-out-of-jail/?utm_source=mostpopular

Christy42 · 11-06-2020 10:32AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So turns out the 75 year old Martin Gugino is a long time radical protester that has been arrested over 300 times and 82 times for inciting ,

Yes he did not deserve to get his head split open , but it was an unfortunate accident that occurred when the police pushed him away ,

"Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional agitator and Antifa provocateur… On Friday Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown admitted Gugino was a professional ‘agitator’ who tried to work up the crowd and had been asked to leave the area ‘numerous’ times.”

“During his effort Gugino was attempting to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo police officers.”

Arrest him, charge him and prove it in a court of law. Why were a mass of police officers unable to arrest a 75 year old man? Is it a lack of competence or a lack of training?

I find it amusing how many stories come up to defend the police here. First he jumped on the ground. Right that didn't stick. Next up is he was reaching for a police firearm. Nope. Emmm. Hacking radio signals is next it seems.

Amusingly was keeps getting dodged is why they didn't just arrest the man if he was so terrible.

@perenginus: the post mentions the Buffalo mayor Byron Brown as the speaker.

George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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