Blackface

Sunny Disposition · 10-06-2020 04:01PM

Cannot understand people getting offended by a white person dressing up as a black person, suspect very few black people do find it offensive, because of course it is not. If you were dressing up as Henry Shefflin you'd need a red hair wig and that wouldn't be offensive either, but if people want to pretend to be offended these days their feelings have to come first.

J. Marston · 10-06-2020 04:04PM

Bret Hart wrote: »

Just wait till they come across Lethal Weapon 6.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-06-2020 04:10PM

AdamD wrote: »

But its extremely evident that for example the kid going 'blackface' as Paul McGrath isn't mocking him at all, he's his hero. But context and nuance don't exist anymore.

Well, to ignore the broader context would be to ignore the nuance.

The historical context exists and the broader context, such as the persistence of systemic racism, exists.

If systemic racism didn't exist, then dressing as Mr T wouldn't be an issue.

Sarcozies · 10-06-2020 04:38PM

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I was a big fan of this game when it came out, but I'm white. Does this make me racist?

African American on PS2 was a great game.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-06-2020 04:43PM

Sarcozies wrote: »

African American on PS2 was a great game.

That's a game about Black OPs. Not African American OPs.

The fact that someone has to go to absurdity to make a point, suggests their point of view is absurd.

Lux23 · 10-06-2020 04:45PM

I would always be a little uneasy when people try to impersonate another race or someone with a disability. I asked a mate of my partner's (who is South African and grew up during apartheid), and he said he finds it very hurtful. He has four kids, and he said he would be distraught if they saw anything like that on TV.

Sarcozies · 10-06-2020 04:46PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's a game about Black OPs. Not African American OPs.

The fact that someone has to go to absurdity to make a point, suggests their point of view is absurd.

Black Ops? I hope you mean People of Colour Ops. Otherwise, we might have a problem.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-06-2020 04:48PM

Sarcozies wrote: »

Black Ops? I hope you mean People of Colour Ops. Otherwise, we might have a problem.

Case in point. One side says it's not OK to dressing way that has traditionally been used to mock them. The other side says things like "Black Ops? I hope you mean People of Colour Ops. Otherwise, we might have a problem".

It's not the same, is it?

Better Than Christ · 10-06-2020 04:55PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

If my hero was Mr. T, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Muhammad Ali etc. then I should be able to dress up as any of them at a party or whatever if I so wish. The PC freaks are going way too far in general IMO.

How terrible for you.

You could always dress up as them without using their skin colour as part of your costume and looking like a minstrel.

o1s1n · 10-06-2020 04:56PM

Sarcozies wrote: »

Black Ops? I hope you mean People of Colour Ops. Otherwise, we might have a problem.

Ellen Degeneres was given grief the other day for tweeting about 'people of colour' when speaking about George Floyd.

Apparently in that instance she should have used the term 'black man', as 'people of colour' would include other ethnic groups who's plight isn't in the same league as the BLM stuff.

Sometimes I think the social justice morality brigade are trying to piss us all off on purpose.

Sheepdish1 · 10-06-2020 04:57PM

I watched something about Mary recently and we thought there is no way that it could be made now. I think that was made 20 years ago too, great film but I was cringing at some of the parts being played! Comedy and humour has changed but Maher people need to see it was in the past, maybe that’s easy for me to say as I’m not in the groups they are slagging?? Also thoughT the same about friends. I’m surprised there wasn’t uproar over that with the whole “ I’m not gay” jokes etc. Times change !

El_Duderino 09 · 10-06-2020 05:05PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Ellen Degeneres was given grief the other day for tweeting about 'people of colour' when speaking about George Floyd.

Apparently in that instance she should have used the term 'black man', as 'people of colour' would include other ethnic groups who's plight isn't in the same league as the BLM stuff.

Sometimes I think the social justice morality brigade are trying to piss us all off on purpose.

I hadn't thought about the distinction between black and people of colour. Makes sense when it's explained.

It depends on how these things are explained - same as anything,
really. If someone explains information in a way that helps understanding then it's usually fine. If someone shouts information in a way that demand then it's usually resisted.

I don't know much about the language used to discuss these issues. It doesn’t come up much in normal life. I'm happy with someone correcting me constructively if I make a genuine mistake. I'd prefer to know. Wouldn't you?

GiftofGab · 10-06-2020 05:17PM

Why is everyone so caught up with their feelings being hurt??

I used to live in Australia and when doing my farm work in the rural part of the country, cars would regularly stop, roll down the windows and shout "backpacking wanker". I was a backpacker and it didn't bother me in the slightest. Actually thought it was funny. I didn't care if it was offensive.

Why is everyone bow thinking "oh you did something 20 years ago that hurt my feelings". Get over it, move on and stop being a snowflake.

I can understand proper racism now which is a different story. Treating minorities different or stopping them getting into college, jobs etc is a very serious matter.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-06-2020 05:23PM

GiftofGab wrote: »

Why is everyone so caught up with their feelings being hurt??

I used to live in Australia and when doing my farm work in the rural part of the country, cars would regularly stop, roll down the windows and shout "backpacking wanker". I was a backpacker and it didn't bother me in the slightest. Actually thought it was funny. I didn't care if it was offensive.

Why is everyone bow thinking "oh you did something 20 years ago that hurt my feelings". Get over it, move on and stop being a snowflake.

I can understand proper racism now which is a different story. Treating minorities different or stopping them getting into college, jobs etc is a very serious matter.

Apart from the fact that B,L and M are also the initials of Backpackers Lives Matter, I see absolutely no relevance to that anecdote.

jester77 · 10-06-2020 05:30PM

Everyone is right to protest, but peacefully. But it shouldn't be at the expense of entertainment. Are we going to remove from history great shows and movies because they had a comedy skit about a minority group? Might as well just pack up the industry and go home if that is the case. It would be a shame to lose classics like this, and I can't imagine anything like this will be given the green light in future even when the humour shows how senseless racism is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZT7xLjxuhs

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 10-06-2020 05:32PM

Your Face wrote: »

All this anti-racism is making me racist.

Didn't take much, did it? Maybe you always were.

BorneTobyWilde · 10-06-2020 05:45PM

Holland and Belgium have a Christmas Festival called Zwarte Piet. That aint going anywhere, it's all about Blackfacing .

marklazarcovic · 10-06-2020 05:46PM

how bout us whiteys come out and say , " hey ya know what,leave all the white face stuff up,dont ban anything,its not offensive at all like,we are adults,thanks guys,whats next?"

El_Duderino 09 · 10-06-2020 05:46PM

jester77 wrote: »

Everyone is right to protest, but peacefully. But it shouldn't be at the expense of entertainment. Are we going to remove from history great shows and movies because they had a comedy skit about a minority group? Might as well just pack up the industry and go home if that is the case. It would be a shame to lose classics like this, and I can't imagine anything like this will be given the green light in future even when the humour shows how senseless racism is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZT7xLjxuhs

Yeah absolutely. That was an incredibly PC movie when it was made. It was written shortly after the civil rights protests in the US. At the time is was pretty unthinkable to have a black man in authority over a load of white people. Then the black guy saves the town full of corrupt or cowardly white people. Very PC movie.

I wonder if you'd support such a PC movie in this day and age?

Rodney Bathgate · 10-06-2020 05:48PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

how bout us whiteys come out and say , " hey ya know what,leave all the white face stuff up,dont ban anything,its not offensive at all like,we are adults,thanks guys,whats next?"

White Chicks is pretty offensive. Plus it is sh1t, so I would my have an issue with it being banned.

antodeco · 10-06-2020 05:49PM

If you put on a bald head mask to portray a bald person different to putting on "blackface"?

Or what about a fat suit? Or a pair of glasses?

As has been said, it's all about context and intent. If you need to copy a physical trait to look like someone, that's fine in my book, once it's not being used for insulting reasons.

J. Marston · 10-06-2020 05:55PM

jester77 wrote: »

Everyone is right to protest, but peacefully. But it shouldn't be at the expense of entertainment. Are we going to remove from history great shows and movies because they had a comedy skit about a minority group? Might as well just pack up the industry and go home if that is the case. It would be a shame to lose classics like this, and I can't imagine anything like this will be given the green light in future even when the humour shows how senseless racism is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZT7xLjxuhs

That just shows that you don't get that scene or movie.

The comedy there isn't about a minority group, it's about the majority of ignorant, stupid people. "You know....morons."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg

Redneck Reject1971 · 10-06-2020 05:56PM

Should I too be offended when Charles Bronson portrayed Natives in films?Of course not they were great films in their days.And in some ways comedic at the portrayals.Does that mean I'm racist against my own people?And don't get me started on the portrayals of Mexicans.I'm so confused and people need to just toughen up.

Another rant is this whole "people of color".We are all people of color.some of you are white,black,myself I'm brown.I have even dealt with racism personally,I don't hold a grudge or expect compensation.Nor do I feel the urge to loot and destroy innocent peoples livelihoods.

And anyone who supports those doing this or feel the need to bow down to it,should be ashamed.Thats my drink rant,heh.

Bobblehats · 10-06-2020 06:07PM

Redneck Reject1971 wrote: »

Another rant is this whole "people of color".We are all people of color.some of you are white,black,myself I'm brown.I have even dealt with racism personally,I don't hold a grudge or expect compensation.Nor do I feel the urge to loot and destroy innocent peoples livelihoods..

I would say Europeans are the true POC’s. Various colours even one person alone can have contrasting eye/ skin / hair colour like the plumage of a magnificent albeit lesser spotted, bird of paradise. True diversity everything else is just monochrome.

shaveAbullock · 10-06-2020 06:23PM

Bobblehats wrote: »

I would say Europeans are the true POC’s. Various colours even one person alone can have contrasting eye/ skin / hair colour like the plumage of a magnificent albeit lesser spotted, bird of paradise. True diversity everything else is just monochrome.

I'm gammon coloured....

Bobblehats · 10-06-2020 06:27PM

shaveAbullock wrote: »

I'm gammon coloured....

We’re all gammon on the inside.

Better Than Christ · 10-06-2020 06:27PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah absolutely. That was an incredibly PC movie when it was made. It was written shortly after the civil rights protests in the US. At the time is was pretty unthinkable to have a black man in authority over a load of white people. Then the black guy saves the town full of corrupt or cowardly white people. Very PC movie.

I wonder if you'd support such a PC movie in this day and age?

I think that might have gone right over some people's heads. They love Blazing Saddles because it contains the n-word and that scene where they all fart really loudly.

shaveAbullock · 10-06-2020 06:32PM

J. Marston wrote: »

That just shows that you don't get that scene or movie.

The comedy there isn't about a minority group, it's about the majority of ignorant, stupid people. "You know....morons."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg

I think there they may have been mocking Blaxploitation the films that were popular at the time too.

Redneck Reject1971 · 10-06-2020 06:37PM

shaveAbullock wrote: »

I think there they may have been mocking Blaxploitation the films that were popular at the time too.

I am pretty sure the black actors in those films didn't mind how their race was portrayed while getting paid to do it.In some instances their own race is guilty in promoting that ideal.

o1s1n · 10-06-2020 06:37PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I hadn't thought about the distinction between black and people of colour. Makes sense when it's explained.

It depends on how these things are explained - same as anything,
really. If someone explains information in a way that helps understanding then it's usually fine. If someone shouts information in a way that demand then it's usually resisted.

I don't know much about the language used to discuss these issues. It doesn’t come up much in normal life. I'm happy with someone correcting me constructively if I make a genuine mistake. I'd prefer to know. Wouldn't you?

If it were as simple and honest as that, that would be fantastic. Unfortunately it's not.

If she'd said 'black people' in her twitter post, someone would have jumped on her saying 'It's POC, Ellen!' - there is no right and wrong, just people enjoying becoming outraged.

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