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J. K. Rowling is cancelled because she is a T.E.R.F [ADMIN WARNING IN POST #1]
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One eyed Jack wrote: »If you menstruate, you need menstrual healthcare because you menstruate, that’s their point. Their audience is made up of women and men, as the aim of their organisation is to educate societies in underdeveloped countries about the necessity of adequate menstrual healthcare. Whether a person who menstruates identifies themselves as a man, woman or non-binary is missing the point.
But what if you think it's mensurate, and you don't think it concerns you?
Those are terms that many people, especially women, from poorer countries are uncomfortable with - as you show yourself mind you, with your repeated difficulty in spelling it: how do you expect a woman with very little education and possibly very little English, to work out what's being said? Whereas man and woman are among the basic vocabulary that people learn in a new country, and are also easy to spell for someone who has poor literacy skills.
And that matters, when you're trying to bring women in for cervical PAP smears. If you start saying it's for people with a cervix, and that the cervix is a thing in the vagina that she may not even know about, you're going to miss out on reaching a very vulnerable group of women.
It's crucial to be able to use simple clear languge, not start messing around with complex paraphrases that you yourself can't spell with any accuracy.0 -
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One eyed Jack wrote: »You’re missing the point. The poster I quoted was suggesting that not only do vaginas have periods as though a vagina is a prerequisite for menstruation, but also that biological men can’t have periods because they’re not biological women. That’s not the reason biological men can’t have periods either. It applies to anyone who does not have a uterus, which is the fundamental prerequisite organ required in order to menstruate. Without it, there is simply no way to menstruate. With it, then the other prerequisites you point out are of secondary concern.
Transplanting all sorts of organs were once the stuff of science fiction too, until they weren’t. Scientists aren’t that far away from developing an artificial uterus either, no female biology required,
So, will you then tell us that an artificial uterus makes makes a Trans woman more a woman or something.
To the poster who asked if we said pigeons were human would they be...don't be daft. Thats the prerogative of chickens
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But what if you think it's mensurate, and you don't think it concerns you?
Those are terms that many people, especially women, from poorer countries are uncomfortable with - as you show yourself mind you, with your repeated difficulty in spelling it: how do you expect a woman with very little education and possibly very little English, to work out what's being said? Whereas man and woman are among the basic vocabulary that people learn in a new country, and are also easy to spell for someone who has poor literacy skills.
And that matters, when you're trying to bring women in for cervical PAP smears. If you start saying it's for people with a cervix, and that the cervix is a thing in the vagina that she may not even know about, you're going to miss out on reaching a very vulnerable group of women.
It's crucial to be able to use simple clear languge, not start messing around with complex paraphrases that you yourself can't spell with any accuracy.
I imagine it would be similar to the way activists have managed to educate the poorest illiterates in India about their rights -
A Brief History Of Hijra, India’s Third Gender
If I were to use my native language which I’m more comfortable with, I imagine you would understand even less, but you might still understand enough to correct my spelling and grammar. I don’t imagine it’s any different for people who don’t speak the local language to be understood by the locals, and to understand the locals. It’s more crucial IMO to promote understanding and use whatever means of communication is most effective, than getting hung up on spelling and grammar.0 -
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I explained why that wasn't just a dig at you. It really really matters if a woman from, say, Bangladesh who will recognise the word woman (and you could easily use pictograms if necessary) does not know that she is just the sort of person being targeted by a HSE campaign for a smear test.
If they say it's "for women from age 25 to 50", she knows that's her.
If she sees that it's "for people with a cervix" (that's literally what the HSE campaign says) or for "people who menstruate" (and can you imagine the pictograms that would require!) she may well not know it's about her, or even if she thinks it's for everyone of that age, may not dare go because she thinks it's a mixed group.
Just as it’s equally as likely, if not more so than your scenario of a woman who’s first language is not English reading the HSE entry on their website about cervical cancer, and not making the connection that it refers to her, is the possibility that a woman who’s first language is English, and reject the idea of having a smear test done because she does not identify with the word woman! As it happens I can imagine the pictures it would require given that it’s taught in primary school SPHE class to children (who would likely be better able to spell than I can).(I've no idea what your point about Hijra is. You don't think they hang about with the local village fete committee or something do you? They're mostly prostitutes and I'd guess that a lot of women in India wouldn't even have heard of them.)
You did a JK, didn’t you? Didn’t bother to read the article? The Hijra are an example of the ill-educated, impoverished illiterates you made reference to in your post, and my point was that they were able to communicate their opinions and argue for their rights using the same terminology from a Western perspective. Before then they wouldn’t have any concept of transgender or transsexual, or any idea of equal rights, but they didn’t need to be able to spell these words properly in English to communicate their ideas. Funnily enough, at village fetes is exactly where they are likely to be hanging out, but that wasn’t really the point of the example.0 -
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