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Madeleine McCann

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  • #992
    Rockbeast2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Some of the other tourist hotbeds in the world have done this, the woman that was murdered on her honeymoon (her dad is a famous GAA Coach) that’s a valid point and I think we all know now that PLD is a hotbed for Peados yet ppl still bring their kids there amazingly. It still brings us no closer to solving this and this Christian B could me there red herring that Amaral has spoken about. No coincidence he’s the main suspect but this is where the Portuguese could of got it wrong and not investigated Christian B properly. Imagine the oversight if he fires turn out to be the abductor.

    Yeah, I don't have too much faith that this "new" suspect is the guy. Obviously, I sincerely hope it is.

    IMO the local police were likely concerned about what their investigations might uncover and expose to the world at large. I believe this may have contributed to a botched original investigation.


  • #993
    Babooshka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    I fully agree with mosii above that the police in Portugal had one eye on the local tourist industry.

    This is, IMO, why the McCanns were pushed so hard as suspects, or "persons of interest". I have no doubt that they were instructed to do this by higher-ups.

    What would the Portuguese Tourist Industry prefer the narrative to be? That the McCanns somehow were involved in the disappearance of their own daughter OR that the area was a hotbed of paedophile activity and that a random paedophile snatched a random kid from a holidaymakers' apartment?

    Hmmm...let me think about that one...

    Money is usually the answer in such matters. The livelihoods of the many outweigh the lives of the McCanns, at least in the eyes of the locals. Such is the way of the world.

    Yup....https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/victim-asks-madeleine-mccann-detectives-review-her-case


  • #994
    mosii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭mosii


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    If you were going to snatch her why would you use the shutters anyway? Risking going between two toddlers.
    Also stepping onto a bed to cross the whole room, in the dark. Sure there might be a kid in the bed under the window.
    If you knew the apartment was empty why not use the front door?

    Interested to know what you guys think.

    I agree,why bother with the window to the front,which is why i say that this guy probably knew that with the angle from the pool area ,and the distance,all he had to do was kneel down and crawl in the front door,take the child,and go back out the same way.I still think a child would wake up,no matter how tired she would be ,but youd never know,unless he drugged the child,which is a possibility .I would think if this is what happened ,he would have transport ready ,and a plan to get to an isolated area,just my theory.


  • #995
    Rockbeast2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    Babooshka wrote: »
    Yup....https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/victim-asks-madeleine-mccann-detectives-review-her-case

    Damn, I'd never heard of that case. Such a brave woman to speak out. Disgusting behaviour by local police at the time :mad:


  • #996
    Babooshka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    Damn, I'd never heard of that case. Such a brave woman to speak out. Disgusting behaviour by local police at the time :mad:


    I am so hopeful this leads to some evidence that puts this to bed for them. That girl was treated appallingly after a horrific ordeal.


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  • #997
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    mosii wrote: »
    I agree,why bother with the window to the front,which is why i say that this guy probably knew that with the angle from the pool area ,and the distance,all he had to do was kneel down and crawl in the front door,take the child,and go back out the same way.I still think a child would wake up,no matter how tired she would be ,but youd never know,unless he drugged the child,which is a possibility .I would think if this is what happened ,he would have transport ready ,and a plan to get to an isolated area,just my theory.

    Yeah if it was an abduction and they had the place staked out, you'd go in the front door and be gone in seconds (granted). This doesn't tie in with the parents saying the shutters were open though.

    Strange case.


  • #998
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    Yeah if it was an abduction and they had the place staked out, you'd go in the front door and be gone in seconds (granted). This doesn't tie in with the parents saying the shutters were open though.

    Strange case.

    The front door was locked , the back patio doors were unlocked


  • #999
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    I still cant believe how people can leave their small kids alone in an apartment while wining and dining

    Forget about an abduction as its so rare

    Even if they fell, choked, wandered off.

    Even if they had a nightmare and woke up crying.

    I just cant get head around it. I didnt even feel comfortable when my daughter moved from our room into her own room.

    I hate the sight of the McCanns for their neglect of their children.


    Abduction is not rare, it happens all too often. What is rare is the coverage is media.



    If you can't stand the sight of the McCanns then I suggest stay away from the subject.


  • #1000
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Well someone did it in the timeline so it is totally plausible stop being in denial, I don’t want it to be the parents but too much points to the Mc Canns. This is by no way a one sided argument.


    Where is the body?



    The majority of the place has been dug up. In the time frame where did they put the body?


  • #1001
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,205 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    I still cant believe how people can leave their small kids alone in an apartment while wining and dining

    Gerry McCann has been quoted as saying that, due to the proximity of the restaurant to the hotel, plus the view they had of their apartment, the process of having a meal at the Tapas restaurant felt more like sitting out your own back garden (if one had a large country-type back garden, I suppose). This line would probably be looked at askance by many people, but it's just to illustrate the sense of security the McCanns seem to have felt.

    I think that the tabloid line of, "MCCANNS ENJOYED BOOZY NIGHTS OUT WHILE LEAVING THE KIDS ALONE FOR HOURS." is therefore inaccurate because it doesn't just paint the McCanns as negligent, but also callous, as if to say they're the villains of the piece because they couldn't have given a f*** about their own kids.

    If you add in the proximity to the apartment and the checks, and the baby gate , and leaving the patio door open because they didn't want to disturb the children, they start to look less like monsters and more like human beings who made a stupid mistake that cost them dearly.


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  • #1002
    Babooshka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    briany wrote: »
    Gerry McCann has been quoted as saying that, due to the proximity of the restaurant to the hotel, plus the view they had of their apartment, the process of having a meal at the Tapas restaurant felt more like sitting out your own back garden (if one had a large country-type back garden, I suppose). This line would probably be looked at askance by many people, but it's just to illustrate the sense of security the McCanns seem to have felt.

    I think that the tabloid line of, "MCCANNS ENJOYED BOOZY NIGHTS OUT WHILE LEAVING THE KIDS ALONE FOR HOURS." is therefore inaccurate because it doesn't just paint the McCanns as negligent, but also callous, as if to say they're the villains of the piece because they couldn't have given a f*** about their own kids.

    If you add in the proximity to the apartment and the checks, and the baby gate , and leaving the patio door open because they didn't want to disturb the children, they start to look less like monsters and more like human beings who made a stupid mistake that cost them dearly.

    Now you've done it , prepare for an onslaught.


  • #1003
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Where is the body?



    The majority of the place has been dug up. In the time frame where did they put the body?

    That’s the million dollar question really, same for whoever took her, maybe she’s alive and that’s why they can’t find a body, she might not know who she is herself. Simply no answers. We all live in hope.


  • #1004
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    You cannot compare the grief of losing your son or daughter to the grief of any other loved one that is taken from you. And even more so in an unexpected, shocking,out of the blue way. So please stop saying people act to grief in different ways. The very VERY few parents that I know of who have lost a son or daughter 'act' and carry themselves(for a very long time)in a similar way,. it's really hard to explain.
    Let's take the documentary on the shooting of Rhys Jones in Liverpool 2007.. well the writers, directors, producers and more importantly the actors did a very good job of portraying the grief felt by Rhys parents. They obviously worked very hard on getting that one extra ordinary portrayal of grief at loss of their child across to the viewers.
    I haven't got much of an opinion(some interest yes)on this whole Madeline McCann 'story',. but I would be interested if any of you guys feel that their grief is genuine. Some of you seem to think otherwise,.and some explain it away as different ways of showing/handling grief.


  • #1005
    False Prophet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭False Prophet


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Well someone did it in the timeline so it is totally plausible stop being in denial, I don’t want it to be the parents but too much points to the Mc Canns. This is by no way a one sided argument.


    You cant compare kidnapper that takes a kid, puts into van and drives away, with maCanns who either

    (1) has Gerry discover she is dead at 9pm and hides the body within 10 mins and then has a casual chat with a mate on the way back before acting normal at the table
    (2) has Kate discover the body at 10pm, hides it within minutes and then runs back to say child was taken
    (3) 2 doctors someone manage to kill own child from 6.30 to 8.30 and then agree to hide the body, act normal, and go for dinner.


    Also as part of the plan they continue to keep the case in the public eye instead of letting it fade away like so many other missing children cases.


  • #1006
    Helgagirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭Helgagirl


    briany wrote: »
    Gerry McCann has been quoted as saying that, due to the proximity of the restaurant to the hotel, plus the view they had of their apartment, the process of having a meal at the Tapas restaurant felt more like sitting out your own back garden (if one had a large country-type back garden, I suppose). This line would probably be looked at askance by many people, but it's just to illustrate the sense of security the McCanns seem to have felt.

    I think that the tabloid line of, "MCCANNS ENJOYED BOOZY NIGHTS OUT WHILE LEAVING THE KIDS ALONE FOR HOURS." is therefore inaccurate because it doesn't just paint the McCanns as negligent, but also callous, as if to say they're the villains of the piece because they couldn't have given a f*** about their own kids.

    If you add in the proximity to the apartment and the checks, and the baby gate , and leaving the patio door open because they didn't want to disturb the children, they start to look less like monsters and more like human beings who made a stupid mistake that cost them dearly.


    If the apartment was so close to the restaurant how come Kate McCann didn't just shout to the others to alert them of the situation, instead of running to tell them?


  • #1007
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    briany wrote: »
    Gerry McCann has been quoted as saying that, due to the proximity of the restaurant to the hotel, plus the view they had of their apartment, the process of having a meal at the Tapas restaurant felt more like sitting out your own back garden (if one had a large country-type back garden, I suppose). This line would probably be looked at askance by many people, but it's just to illustrate the sense of security the McCanns seem to have felt.

    I think that the tabloid line of, "MCCANNS ENJOYED BOOZY NIGHTS OUT WHILE LEAVING THE KIDS ALONE FOR HOURS." is therefore inaccurate because it doesn't just paint the McCanns as negligent, but also callous, as if to say they're the villains of the piece because they couldn't have given a f*** about their own kids.

    If you add in the proximity to the apartment and the checks, and the baby gate , and leaving the patio door open because they didn't want to disturb the children, they start to look less like monsters and more like human beings who made a stupid mistake that cost them dearly.


    Must be some size back garden.


  • #1008
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    That’s the million dollar question really, same for whoever took her, maybe she’s alive and that’s why they can’t find a body, she might not know who she is herself. Simply no answers. We all live in hope.


    The McCanns had a limited range. The body would have been found. It was not like they could go back the following day


    Someone who had taken her could have been at Seville airport in under 3 hours and gone. The police in Portugal hadn't even arrived at that stage.


  • #1009
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Babooshka wrote: »
    Yup....https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/victim-asks-madeleine-mccann-detectives-review-her-case

    Jesus, that's horrific. Poor woman :(


  • #1010
    ziedth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Must be some size back garden.

    Apparently it was less than 80m in a straight line..... My Garden is larger than that....... Having said that I wouldn't have left them alone either


  • #1011
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    False Prophet wrote: »
    You cant compare kidnapper that takes a kid, puts into van and drives away, with maCanns who either

    (1) has Gerry discover she is dead at 9pm and hides the body within 10 mins and then has a casual chat with a mate on the way back before acting normal at the table
    (2) has Kate discover the body at 10pm, hides it within minutes and then runs back to say child was taken
    (3) 2 doctors someone manage to kill own child from 6.30 to 8.30 and then agree to hide the body, act normal, and go for dinner.


    Also as part of the plan they continue to keep the case in the public eye instead of letting it fade away like so many other missing children cases.

    All makes sense if it went that way. Why say abductor straight away and then leave the twins there plus when the house is being turned upside down the twins sleep through it all. That doesn’t match at all. These are Kate’s accounts not mine.


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  • #1012
    False Prophet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭False Prophet


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    You cannot compare the grief of losing your son or daughter to the grief of any other loved one that is taken from you. And even more so in an unexpected, shocking,out of the blue way. So please stop saying people act to grief in different ways.
    But this isnt a film (even if its based on true story). This is real life, and in real life people grief differently.



    Plus the key thing is that they have lost the child either kidnapped or accident. What some people seem to think that if it was by accident they wouldn't grief.


    Anyway, they couldn't win, when they cried it was called fake, when they didnt they were called cold.


  • #1013
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,219 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I don’t publicly grieve , I do grieve though. Buried the oul fella recently, no bother to me if you’re a busy body observing me. People are different.


  • #1014
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    All makes sense if it went that way. Why say abductor straight away and then leave the twins there plus when the house is being turned upside down the twins sleep through it all. That doesn’t match at all. These are Kate’s accounts not mine.

    Because they were trying to cover themselves. Nobody checked on them until Kate did . They had no idea the time frame in which she was taken

    They said there was a break in to cover up the fact they left the doors open


  • #1015
    Rockbeast2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    False Prophet wrote: »
    But this isnt a film (even if its based on true story). This is real life, and in real life people grief differently.



    Plus the key thing is that they have lost the child either kidnapped or accident. What some people seem to think that if it was by accident they wouldn't grief.


    Anyway, they couldn't win, when they cried it was called fake, when they didnt they were called cold.

    Another issue I foresee is that if/when someone is convicted for Madeleine's abduction/death, UNLESS the location of a body is disclosed and the body recovered, you will STILL have conspiracy theorists saying that such-and-such is only a patsy and part of a larger conspiracy involving McCanns/Governments/Clones/Podestas, etc....


  • #1016
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,888 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    I still cant believe how people can leave their small kids alone in an apartment while wining and dining

    Forget about an abduction as its so rare

    Even if they fell, choked, wandered off.

    Even if they had a nightmare and woke up crying.

    I just cant get head around it. I didnt even feel comfortable when my daughter moved from our room into her own room.

    I hate the sight of the McCanns for their neglect of their children.

    Agree fully, but this has been said and agreed ad nauseum. They did it, and are now paying a terrible and sad price..

    They did not abduct her. Someone else did...


  • #1017
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    walshb wrote: »
    Agree fully, but this has been said and agreed ad nauseum.

    And yet on this very thread some still say what they did was normal.


  • #1018
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And yet on this very thread some still say what they did was normal.


    Who said it was normal?


  • #1019
    mosii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭mosii


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And yet on this very thread some still say what they did was normal.

    I wouldnt say its normal,but it does happen frequently.This is why guys like this German Guy can carry out their horrific deeds.It is well known that peadophiles are extremely cunning and devious. When my kids were small ,we used to go to a Hotel for lunch on Sundays,they would run around and sometimes go upstairs to the first floor.I was listening to the radio on day on a program about peadophiles,and one such person said that he would watch out for children in Hotels, doing this same thing,it scared the crap out of me.
    The Mccanns took a chance ,and have paid a horrible price for that Chance.Only my opinion.


  • #1020
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,888 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And yet on this very thread some still say what they did was normal.

    Very very few people I have encountered said it was anything but normal.


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  • #1021
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,888 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    mosii wrote: »
    I wouldnt say its normal,but it does happen frequently.This is why guys like this German Guy can carry out their horrific deeds.It is well known that peadophiles are extremely cunning and devious. When my kids were small ,we used to go to a Hotel for lunch on Sundays,they would run around and sometimes go upstairs to the first floor.I was listening to the radio on day on a program about peadophiles,and one such person said that he would watch out for children in Hotels, doing this same thing,it scared the crap out of me.
    The Mccanns took a chance ,and have paid a horrible price for that Chance.Only my opinion.

    Interesting

    But I guess with the McCanns it was more planned and methodical. Kids becoming disconnected from you happens all the time. Sometimes it's due to bad parenting and poor control and awareness, and other times circumstances occur..

    I am not a perfect parent, but top top on my mind all the time, is where is my young child......as they get older, freedoms become more apparent....

    Age is very relevant, but in the case of Maddie and her two young siblings, age was extremely relevant....

    Anyway, it has been well discussed.....


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