Madeleine McCann

Shefwedfan · 08-06-2020 09:04PM

limnam wrote: »

Fairly bloody important point when it's the reason the girl is missing!

Really?

If the parents are asleep in another room and someone gets in they could easily have taken the child and walked out.

Those apartments in Spain the locks let say are not solid to say the least.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 08-06-2020 09:05PM

limnam wrote: »

Fairly bloody important point when it's the reason the girl is missing!

But, like, everyone knows they were negligent. Everyone knew that 13 years ago.

Shefwedfan · 08-06-2020 09:05PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Can we draw a line under the neglective parents bit I’m sure we all get the point at this stage

I think another few thousand mentions might be required before I for one realize they left the children. Maybe it is just someone trying to get post count up, thats the only reason I think we need to have so many posts from one person saying the same thing

limnam · 08-06-2020 09:13PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Really?

If the parents are asleep in another room and someone gets in they could easily have taken the child and walked out.

Sure,

This could happen to anyone. Could happen to me tonight.

What couldn't happen is my kids get taking because we're down the fcking boozer.

You appreciate the difference.

Right?

Hopefully.

limnam · 08-06-2020 09:14PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But, like, everyone knows they were negligent. Everyone knew that 13 years ago.

You did mention it yourself

*shrug*

dark crystal · 08-06-2020 09:24PM

German prosecuter says he 'has evidence' that Madeline is dead, but no body. This is so cryptic..

https://www.eagleradio.co.uk/news/world-news/3119354/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead/

A German prosecutor has said he has evidence Madeleine McCann is dead as he appealed to British tourists to help identify the suspect's former homes.

Hans Christian Wolters said police need more information about where the new suspect, named only as Christian B, has lived so police can search for Madeleine's body.

He admitted he does not have enough "hard evidence" for the suspect to go on trial.

Mr Wolters believes there are other British victims of sex attacks and has urged them to contact police.

He told Sky News: "After all the information we got, the girl is dead. We have no information that she is alive.

"All indications we have got that I can't tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead.

"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."

Mr Wolters continued: "The hard evidence we don't have, we don't have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann's body.

"We expect that she is dead, but we don't have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

Like, what could he be talking about here?

Shefwedfan · 08-06-2020 09:43PM

limnam wrote: »

Sure,

This could happen to anyone. Could happen to me tonight.

What couldn't happen is my kids get taking because we're down the fcking boozer.

You appreciate the difference.

Right?

Hopefully.

They where not "down the fcking boozer"

They have far too much money to associate with the type of people that would be "down the fcking boozer"

08-06-2020 09:44PM

dark crystal wrote: »

German prosecuter says he 'has evidence' that Madeline is dead, but no body. This is so cryptic..

https://www.eagleradio.co.uk/news/world-news/3119354/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead/

A German prosecutor has said he has evidence Madeleine McCann is dead as he appealed to British tourists to help identify the suspect's former homes.

Hans Christian Wolters said police need more information about where the new suspect, named only as Christian B, has lived so police can search for Madeleine's body.

He admitted he does not have enough "hard evidence" for the suspect to go on trial.

Mr Wolters believes there are other British victims of sex attacks and has urged them to contact police.

He told Sky News: "After all the information we got, the girl is dead. We have no information that she is alive.

"All indications we have got that I can't tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead.

"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."

Mr Wolters continued: "The hard evidence we don't have, we don't have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann's body.

"We expect that she is dead, but we don't have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

Like, what could he be talking about here?

He was known to video at least one of his sex crimes, the police found a video clip of him raping the American lady. It could be that there’s grainy footage of something that doesn’t look too good for Madeleine having survived. The man is evil personified, as are people like him. They know no limits to the badness they can do. There aren’t too many people like that, thankfully, but those who exist lives their lives preying for victims. To protect their children, parents etc have to live almost as if there’s one around every corner.

Why they left the door open is the thing that puzzles me the most. Did all the doctor parents There do same and check each others’ kids or what? Very puzzling why keys would not have been used.

FixitFelix · 08-06-2020 09:44PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They where not "down the fcking boozer"

They have far too much money to associate with the type of people that would be "down the fcking boozer"

Far too much money and no sense

seenitall · 08-06-2020 09:47PM

dark crystal wrote: »

German prosecuter says he 'has evidence' that Madeline is dead, but no body. This is so cryptic..

https://www.eagleradio.co.uk/news/world-news/3119354/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead/

A German prosecutor has said he has evidence Madeleine McCann is dead as he appealed to British tourists to help identify the suspect's former homes.

Hans Christian Wolters said police need more information about where the new suspect, named only as Christian B, has lived so police can search for Madeleine's body.

He admitted he does not have enough "hard evidence" for the suspect to go on trial.

Mr Wolters believes there are other British victims of sex attacks and has urged them to contact police.

He told Sky News: "After all the information we got, the girl is dead. We have no information that she is alive.

"All indications we have got that I can't tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead.

"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."

Mr Wolters continued: "The hard evidence we don't have, we don't have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann's body.

"We expect that she is dead, but we don't have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

Like, what could he be talking about here?

It's probably the confession to the other guy, plus any other circumstantial evidence, like him knowing something distinctive about the child that no one else would know, stuff like that. Now he has clammed up, and the above is not enough for the prosecution. Therefore the dead end.

08-06-2020 09:50PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yeah, I know that. You know I’m not the McCanns, right?

And possibly it was hard to get a babysitter any night, yeah. I’ve heard friends say stuff like that about their holidays. Don’t have children so no idea myself.

I would have thought the likes of those doctors could have afforded to bring a nanny/childminder with them on the holiday, who could have helped take care of the children and let the parents off for the night, at least in turns. Could they not have hired a good-sized villa between them, so they could all have been accommodated in the same building.

limnam · 08-06-2020 09:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would have thought the likes of those doctors could have afforded to bring a nanny/childminder with them on the holiday, who could have helped take care of the children and let the parents off for the night, at least in turns. Could they not have hired a good-sized villa between them, so they could all have been accommodated in the same building.

They paid for one of the nanny's from the resort to come to the UK for a holiday.

Think she did a nice piece in the paper too.

limnam · 08-06-2020 09:55PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They where not "down the fcking boozer"

They have far too much money to associate with the type of people that would be "down the fcking boozer"

Sorry me aul mucker.

Out wining and dining with their ilk.

The type that was obsessed with bating other peoples kids.

So much so one of their friends wouldn't go on the holiday with him.

*shudder*

Another one was a child rapist.

If that's the sort of friends money gets you

SusieBlue · 08-06-2020 09:59PM

limnam wrote: »

Sorry me aul mucker.

Out wining and dining with their ilk.

The type that was obsessed with bating other peoples kids.

So much so one of their friends wouldn't go on the holiday with him.

*shudder*

Another one was a child rapist.

If that's the sort of friends money gets you

You don’t half post a load of total hyperbole.

Shefwedfan · 08-06-2020 09:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would have thought the likes of those doctors could have afforded to bring a nanny/childminder with them on the holiday, who could have helped take care of the children and let the parents off for the night, at least in turns. Could they not have hired a good-sized villa between them, so they could all have been accommodated in the same building.

How do you know they didnt ask but childminders turned them down? they cant force someone to travel.

dark crystal · 08-06-2020 10:01PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think another few thousand mentions might be required before I for one realize they left the children. Maybe it is just someone trying to get post count up, thats the only reason I think we need to have so many posts from one person saying the same thing

Coulda, woulda, shoulda...it's such a reductive argument at this stage.

They left the kids alone while they dined out and checked periodically, there, that's the fact. Nobody disputes it.

What good does it do to keep repeating this fact? How does it help the discussion at hand in any way to keep rehashing it, only to demonise the McCanns, who've already been demonised all over the shop?

They made a mistake, they paid the ultimate price for it. Shouldn't the focus now be on catching whoever took her and punish them for murdering an innocent child? Or is the punishment dished out to be reserved for the McCanns alone?

screamer · 08-06-2020 10:02PM

The update from the German prosecutor is really bad. It’s nearly worse to know that, as now there’s little hope left that she alive ( what little there was), they don’t know enough to prosecute and will likely never locate the body to bring and end to all of it. And God only knows the bits we all shudder to think about..... awful just awful

08-06-2020 10:14PM

screamer wrote: »

The update from the German prosecutor is really bad. It’s nearly worse to know that, as now there’s little hope left that she alive ( what little there was), they don’t know enough to prosecute and will likely never locate the body to bring and end to all of it. And God only knows the bits we all shudder to think about..... awful just awful

It will be so important for the family to have as many answers as possible, especially for Madeleine’s siblings when they become adults and more clues as to the how, where it even why may fall into place with future scientific discoveries. To at least know who was almost certainly responsible is a starting point and maybe the family can even begin to grieve.

limnam · 08-06-2020 10:15PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

You don’t half post a load of total hyperbole.

Which part was not true ?

08-06-2020 10:20PM

Here it discusses how his ex girlfriend and her ex husband don’t want to cooperate with police for their own reasons, yet to leave the most horrific criminal Scott free time do further Midwest’s doesn’t speak too well of them. I guess maybe they aren’t people to function very well in life, or have major issues with drugs etc themselves. I can’t imagine anyone being “attracted” into a relationship with somebody who seemed to behave like a monster and scumbag at every opportunity. I don’t think he was the “charming” type who had a dark side, it seems he was an unkempt filthy unpleasant human being throughout, with maybe his ready offering of drugs as the only enticement you his company. That’s the way he comes across to me anyway.

sxt · 08-06-2020 10:27PM

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

I think a lot of people WANT it to be that the McCanns were somehow involved in Madeleine's disappearance/death(?).

Why?

Because based on all the evidence, the lies, deceptions, deceits of the mcanns and their friends , the fact that there was evidence of a dead body in appartment 5a,the fact that the mcanns tryed to stage a break in that didn't happen. This is the most concrete theory there is. Everything else is fantastical.

limnam · 08-06-2020 10:30PM

This was a bizzare thing to say considering it was over a year ago

Mr Amaral, who has made outlandish claims including that MI5 was involved in a cover-up, said last year that a German paedophile currently in jail was “probably going to be the scapegoat” in the case.

dark crystal · 08-06-2020 10:41PM

sxt wrote: »

Because based on all the evidence, the lies, deceptions, deceits of the mcanns and their friends , the fact that there was evidence of a dead body in appartment 5a,the fact that the mcanns tryed to stage a break in that didn't happen. This is the most concrete theory there is. Everything else is fantastical.

There is no evidence, none.

Fantastical? What's fantastical is the belief that two parents either accidentally or purposely killed their child, and within an incredibly short space of time, immediately decided the best course of action was to mastermind a genius criminal plan instead of calling an ambulance, disposed of the body without any transport, amidst a busy holiday resort, in a country they were strangers in, without being seen by anyone, went to dinner with their friends as arranged (who, of course, were all on it), acted perfectly normally, without loss of appetite or any sign of distress, fake the disappearance, call the police knowing they would never find the body because it had been hidden somewhere so secret, it still hasn't been found to this day and keep up the pretence and the publicity for 13 years instead of relaxing and enjoying the fact they've gotten away with the perfect crime.

Yep, sounds pretty plausible to me!

:rolleyes:

TheW1zard · 08-06-2020 10:44PM

sxt wrote: »

Because based on all the evidence, the lies, deceptions, deceits of the mcanns and their friends , the fact that there was evidence of a dead body in appartment 5a,the fact that the mcanns tryed to stage a break in that didn't happen. This is the most concrete theory there is. Everything else is fantastical.

Agreed. Its not personal its a global case at this stage and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Banana Republic. · 08-06-2020 10:46PM

dark crystal wrote: »

German prosecuter says he 'has evidence' that Madeline is dead, but no body. This is so cryptic..

https://www.eagleradio.co.uk/news/world-news/3119354/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead/

A German prosecutor has said he has evidence Madeleine McCann is dead as he appealed to British tourists to help identify the suspect's former homes.

Hans Christian Wolters said police need more information about where the new suspect, named only as Christian B, has lived so police can search for Madeleine's body.

He admitted he does not have enough "hard evidence" for the suspect to go on trial.

Mr Wolters believes there are other British victims of sex attacks and has urged them to contact police.

He told Sky News: "After all the information we got, the girl is dead. We have no information that she is alive.

"All indications we have got that I can't tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead.

"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."

Mr Wolters continued: "The hard evidence we don't have, we don't have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann's body.

"We expect that she is dead, but we don't have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

Like, what could he be talking about here?

They need to find out where he lived as they haven’t searched all the places he resided in plus it’s doubly hard as he lived as a hobo type lifestyle over 18 months so he’s supposed to have stayed in a few houses in that time, those houses are key to knowing where to search I’m sure it’sa places he had no record of being and most likely derelict so no evidence of him being there has made it possible to start a search.

Overall it sounds like only ppl really close to him know of his whereabouts or can any of the public remember seeing him in houses close to their neighborhood is the only chance we have of finding her. Therefore the police can link him and nail him for it. Anyone that knows him ie: family, need to hang him out to dry.

sxt · 08-06-2020 10:48PM

limnam wrote: »

This was a bizzare thing to say considering it was over a year ago

Mr Amaral, who has made outlandish claims including that MI5 was involved in a cover-up, said last year that a German paedophile currently in jail was “probably going to be the scapegoat” in the case.

Every prime minster of the UK has signed off millions of pounds per year to continue the investigation. Clarence Mitchell was a top level Government official and went to Team mccann within weeks. It is a deeply political. They have only had one narrow line of investigation. I think this is the end of the line for the investigation, and they'd like some return for their investment

TheW1zard · 08-06-2020 10:49PM

dark crystal wrote: »

There is no evidence, none.

Fantastical? What's fantastical is the belief that two parents either accidentally or purposely killed their child, and within an incredibly short space of time, immediately decided the best course of action was to mastermind a genius criminal plan instead of calling an ambulance, disposed of the body without any transport, amidst a busy holiday resort, in a country they were strangers in, without being seen by anyone, went to dinner with their friends as arranged (who, of course, were all on it), acted perfectly normally, without loss of appetite or any sign of distress, fake the disappearance, call the police knowing they would never find the body because it had been hidden somewhere so secret, it still hasn't been found to this day and keep up the pretence and the publicity for 13 years instead of relaxing and enjoying the fact they've gotten away with the perfect crime.

Yep, sounds pretty plausible to me!

:rolleyes:

Theres evidence no proof though.
Evidence for and against. In a trial the jury look at evidence, evidence could be something as simple as clothing, time of someone leaving the table. Etc.
Jury decides if the evidence proves anything.

Thats basic stuff there

So yeah theres evidence, theres also evidence about other suspects by the way.

Shefwedfan · 08-06-2020 10:49PM

sxt wrote: »

Because based on all the evidence, the lies, deceptions, deceits of the mcanns and their friends , the fact that there was evidence of a dead body in appartment 5a,the fact that the mcanns tryed to stage a break in that didn't happen. This is the most concrete theory there is. Everything else is fantastical.

How long did it take you to make that up?

dark crystal · 08-06-2020 10:51PM

sxt wrote: »

Because based on all the evidence, Everything else is fantastical.

sxt wrote: »

Every prime minster of the UK has signed off millions of pounds per year to continue the investigation. Clarence Mitchell was a top level Government official and went to Team mccann within weeks. It is a deeply political. They have only had one narrow line of investigation. I think this is the end of the line for the investigation, and they'd like some return for their investment

Fantastical indeed.

dark crystal · 08-06-2020 10:52PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How long did it take you to make that up?

I'd say there's years of avid internet reading in that conclusion.

Madeleine McCann

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