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Madeleine McCann

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  • #602
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    I've no idea what you're replying to with the above but the phone use by the new German suspect is what I was referring to in my post.

    He lived locally so it's not that unusual that he was on his phone but added to the fact that he has a history of rape/burglary and an underage gf makes it much more compelling info and worthy of investigation.

    The rest of your post was a weird tangent. Who was drinking brandy where? Was it with col. Mustard in the dining room?

    Sorry she wrote in her book that she spent the evening with Clement Froyd. He was a child rapist that lived in the area. He was a pedohphile. She spent the evening drinking with him and laughing how the dogs would not be able to take the stand against her.

    I was wondering, if he used his phone. In the area a child rapist. Would he be a suspect? Used his phone, child rapist. Similar to CB.

    That's all


  • #603
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You’re increasing insistence to refuse to acknowledge this mans long history of very serious sex crime is becoming very noticeable limnam. Noticeable and alarming. Do you want to comment on it now?

    What are you suggesting ?


  • #604
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    splinter65 wrote: »
    This is ridiculous. Do you honestly not think that the McCanns have done everything possible to prepare their surviving children for the pages and pages of total ****e they will read online about the disappear of their sister? All of the rubbish myths lies and defamation can be dispelled with evidence and will have been brought to their attention in advance of them “stumbling” upon it, or “helpful” ummm...“interested” parties of the type you’ll see posting on this thread, can draw their attention to via social media.
    The level of menace directed at the twins over the years sickens me. A real desire to see them in pain, because their pain will hurt the parents. A desire to make sure that they know that their parents murdered their sister. Longing for the day when they’d be old enough to sit up at a computer and be “educated”.
    Hoping they’d suffer. I keep saying it. A persons reaction to the story of Madeleine McCann was a serious revelation of that persons soul.

    No where in that posters post was there a desire to see them suffer . Must you hop on every word and twist it to find something you can argue about and feel sanctimonious


  • #605
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    limnam wrote: »
    Sorry she wrote in her book that she spent the vening with Clement Froyd. He was a child rapist that lived in the area. He was a pedohphile. She spent the evening drinking with him and laughing how the dogs would not be able to take the stand against her.

    I was wondering, if he used his phone. In the area a child rapist. Would he be a suspect? Used his phone, child rapist. Similar to CB.

    That's all

    You left out one very convenient piece of information there, though. Again. As you consistently do.

    Were the McCanns aware that he was a pedophile when they met him? Was it public knowledge?
    Or did this information come out at a later date?


  • #606
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You left out one very convenient piece of information there, though. Again. As you consistently do.

    Were the McCanns aware that he was a pedophile when they met him? Was it public knowledge?
    Or did this information come out at a later date?

    I think your missing the point of the post.

    But that's ok.


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  • #607
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    limnam wrote: »
    I think your missing the point of the post.

    But that's ok.

    Its ok, I’ll help you. There is absolutely zero evidence whatsoever that the McCanns were aware that he was a pedophile at the time when they met him.


  • #608
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Its ok, I’ll help you. There is absolutely zero evidence whatsoever that the McCanns were aware that he was a pedophile at the time when they met him.

    I don't see what that has to do with if he used his phone, lived in the area and was a child rapist would he be a suspect ?

    As I said you missed the point of the post.

    You also don't know if they knew or not

    You're assuming they didn't know


  • #609
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    I've no idea what you're replying to with the above but the phone use by the new German suspect is what I was referring to in my post.

    He lived locally so it's not that unusual that he was on his phone but added to the fact that he has a history of rape/burglary and an underage gf makes it much more compelling info and worthy of investigation.

    The rest of your post was a weird tangent. Who was drinking brandy where? Was it with col. Mustard in the dining room?

    He's referring to an incident which Kate McCann mentioned on her book, wherein Clement Freud invited her and Gerry to his villa in Praia de Luz 2 months after Madeline disappeared in 2007. They visited his residence twice in two months at his invitation.

    When he died 2 years later, he was accused of abusing two underage girls between 1940s & 1970s.

    Linman has brought him up numerous times in this thread in an attempt to link the McCanns to a known paedophile. Thing is, these accusations didn't surface until after he died - his own family had no idea.

    This doesn't stop the poster from repeatedly mentioning it because the poster prefers to deal in supposition and insinuation and yet demands hard evidence when discussing paedophiles that were actually present in Portugal at the time of the crime.


  • #610
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    He's referring to an incident which Kate McCann mentioned on her book, wherein Clement Freud invited her and Gerry to his villa in Praia de Luz 2 months after Madeline disappeared in 2007. They visited his residence twice in two months at his invitation.

    When he died 2 years later, he was accused of abusing two underage girls between 1940s & 1970s.

    Linman has brought him up numerous times in this thread in an attempt to link the McCanns to a known paedophile. Thing is, these accusations didn't surface until after he died - his own family had no idea.

    This doesn't stop the poster from repeatedly mentioning it because the poster prefers to deal in supposition and insinuation and yet demands hard evidence when discussing paedophiles that were actually present in Portugal at the time of the crime.

    Nope. I'm asking the question if Clement used his phone that night. Been a child rapist. Would he be a suspect? Or would have needed to change his reg plate


  • #611
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    Nope. I'm asking the question if Clement used his phone that night. Been a child rapist. Would he be a suspect? Or would have needed to change his reg plate

    Would have been hard to abduct Madeline from Praia de Luz when he was in the UK at the time now, wouldn't it? So why would his phone records have an iota of bearing on this particular case?


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  • #612
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    i doesnt matter that they didnt know . looking back it is suspicious
    maybe he had more to do with this than realised.


    it also doesnt make their conversation any less wierd and suspicious.


  • #613
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    limnam wrote: »
    I don't see what that has to do with if he used his phone, lived in the area and was a child rapist would he be a suspect ?

    As I said you missed the point of the post.

    You also don't know if they knew or not

    You're assuming they didn't know

    You’re such a hypocrite, you’re raising the point as if it’s clear they knew. There is no evidence that they knew. It’s quite important to mention that fact when you’re posting that the parents were drinking with a pedophile. The fact that there is no indication they knew this is quite an important, relevant piece of information.


  • #614
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Would have been hard to abduct Madeline from Praia de Luz when he was in the UK at the time now, wouldn't it? So why would his phone records have an iota of bearing on this particular case?


    As I said earlier. I don't know if he was there or not. Nor am I suggesting he had anything to do with it.

    What I said was IF he was in the area. Used his phone would be a suspect.

    There seemed to be a huge amount of peado's in the area.

    So who cares which one used their phone ?

    What has the phone call got to do with anything?


  • #615
    Lolle06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Lolle06


    limnam wrote: »
    Not at all. Very interested in hearing any evidence of his involvement.

    Just no one seems to have any

    All ears. Do you have any?

    The German BKA are still investigating Chr. B.‘s past sexual predatory behavior towards children.
    The police have a chat protocol of B. where he boasts in a chat that he caught „something small and used it for a few days“.
    Apparently, they were a couple of ppl over the past few years that came forward and gave hints to B. in the McCann case.
    The BKA also investigates another boys disappearance in the mid 90‘s in Portugal and a girls disappearance in 2015 in Germany.
    In both cases, B. was living in the area.
    In 2016 they found child pornographic material of very young children, where B. lived.
    The phantom pictures of the suspect in the McCann case and the case in 2015 seem to be similar.


  • #616
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You’re such a hypocrite, you’re raising the point as if it’s clear they knew. There is no evidence that they knew. It’s quite important to mention that fact when you’re posting that the parents were drinking with a pedophile. The fact that there is no indication they knew this is quite an important, relevant piece of information.

    I think for unknown reasons you're putting words in my posts that are not there.

    I don't know if they knew or not. All I know is he's a child rapist and she sat and drank brandy with him laughing how the dogs couldn't take the stand.

    That's what I know

    Anything else is an assumption.


  • #617
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,826 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    This German is definitely a man of interest here

    These McCann conspiracy theories are a red herring nonsense..

    Problem is, that without a body and without a confession, it will be quite difficult to prove if the German is the killer.

    Kind of separate: But why does society continually allow these deprave and evil bastids, like this person freely roam in society? A history of hurting children. People who commit crimes like he did deserve to be either put to sleep or removed permanently from society the very first time they commit these type offences against children..


  • #618
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    As I said earlier. I don't know if he was there or not. Nor am I suggesting he had anything to do with it.

    What I said was IF he was in the area. Used his phone would be a suspect.

    There seemed to be a huge amount of peado's in the area.

    So who cares which one used their phone ?

    What has the phone call got to do with anything?

    You did not say 'if he was in the area' at all.

    You said 'if Clement used his phone that night. Been (being) a child rapist. Would he be a suspect? Or would have needed to change his reg plate'.

    It's a moot point, as he was nowhere near the crime scene, indeed in the same country, so his phone records have nothing to do with anything.

    Instead of continuously linking the McCanns to long dead alleged paedophiles who had nothing to do with Madeline's disappearance that night, perhaps you could start giving your opinion on the actual live paedophile who was in the area that night and is currently under a real police investigation for her possible abduction and murder?


  • #619
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    You did not say 'if he was in the area' at all.

    You said 'if Clement used his phone that night. Been (being) a child rapist. Would he be a suspect? Or would have needed to change his reg plate'.

    It's a moot point, as he was nowhere near the crime scene, indeed in the same country, so his phone records have nothing to do with anything.

    Instead of continuously linking the McCanns to long dead alleged paedophiles who had nothing to do with Madeline's disappearance that night, perhaps you could start giving your opinion on the actual live paedophile who was in the area that night and is currently under a real police investigation for her possible abduction and murder?

    Yes i did in an earlier post. please read back


  • #620
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    walshb wrote: »

    Kind of separate: But why does society continually allow these deprave and evil bastids, like this person freely roam in society? A history of hurting children. People who commit crimes like he did deserve to be either put to sleep or removed permanently from society the very first time they commit these type offences against children..

    Exactly what I thought when reading about him.

    People like him do not magically rehabilitate over weeks, or months or even years, so why allow him roam the streets when he has a history of violence towards vulnerable children?

    He then went on to rape and torture an elderly woman in Portugal. He's currently only serving 7 years for that!

    The justice system is woefully inadequate when dealing with clearly dangerous predators like this.


  • #621
    antgal23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭antgal23


    Dunno if it's been mentioned here but maybe

    1/ two guys we're involved?

    2/ it was a planned burglary and not an abduction

    3/ when the burglar noticed Madeleine there he took her - it was opportunistic

    Thoughts?


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  • #622
    antgal23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭antgal23


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Exactly what I thought when reading about him.

    People like him do not magically rehabilitate over weeks, or months or even years, so why allow him roam the streets when he has a history of violence towards vulnerable children?

    He then went on to rape and torture an elderly woman in Portugal. He's currently only serving 7 years for that!

    The justice system is woefully inadequate when dealing with clearly dangerous predators like this.


    Woefully inadequate?

    I'd say it's a fcuking shambles


  • #623
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    antgal23 wrote: »
    Dunno if it's been mentioned here but maybe

    1/ two guys we're involved?

    2/ it was a planned burglary and not an abduction

    3/ when the burglar noticed Madeleine there he took her - it was opportunistic

    Thoughts?

    i dont think someone would spontaneously abduct a child .i would assume it would be more planned at lest in this context

    i could see someone breaking in and Maddie waking up and the burgler tying to stop her making noise and accidentally killing her, then panicking and disposing of the body.


  • #624
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Lolle06 wrote: »
    The German BKA are still investigating Chr. B.‘s past sexual predatory behavior towards children.
    The police have a chat protocol of B. where he boasts in a chat that he caught „something small and used it for a few days“.
    Apparently, they were a couple of ppl over the past few years that came forward and gave hints to B. in the McCann case.
    The BKA also investigates another boys disappearance in the mid 90‘s in Portugal and a girls disappearance in 2015 in Germany.
    In both cases, B. was living in the area.
    In 2016 they found child pornographic material of very young children, where B. lived.
    The phantom pictures of the suspect in the McCann case and the case in 2015 seem to be similar.

    its looking more and more like they have found the right man.
    hopefully it was him


  • #625
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,826 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    antgal23 wrote: »
    Woefully inadequate?

    I'd say it's a fcuking shambles

    Yes. It disgusts me..

    And it’s a worldwide thing. Every country has examples of people like this committing crime after crime after crime. Heinous and deprived crimes..

    Let us even suggest that these people could be rehabilitated...

    So fooking what......for their evil crimes, who cares? Life sentence or death is what is needed for any persons who hurt children the way these monsters do..


  • #626
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Lolle06 wrote: »
    The German BKA are still investigating Chr. B.‘s past sexual predatory behavior towards children.
    The police have a chat protocol of B. where he boasts in a chat that he caught „something small and used it for a few days“.
    Apparently, they were a couple of ppl over the past few years that came forward and gave hints to B. in the McCann case.
    The BKA also investigates another boys disappearance in the mid 90‘s in Portugal and a girls disappearance in 2015 in Germany.
    In both cases, B. was living in the area.
    In 2016 they found child pornographic material of very young children, where B. lived.
    The phantom pictures of the suspect in the McCann case and the case in 2015 seem to be similar.

    As disgusting all that is.

    I'm not seeing any evidence linking him to _this_ crime.


  • #627
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,826 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    its looking more and more like they have found the right man.
    hopefully it was him

    I think it’s looking likely that they have him..

    Proving it will be the real challenge it..


  • #628
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,826 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    limnam wrote: »
    As disgusting all that is.

    I'm not seeing any evidence linking him to _this_ crime.

    Are you for real?

    There are instances that paint quite a picture here...

    Nothing 100 percent, but to dismiss these details that, together, and in context, paint a picture, is just being obtuse..


  • #629
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    antgal23 wrote: »
    Dunno if it's been mentioned here but maybe

    1/ two guys we're involved?

    2/ it was a planned burglary and not an abduction

    3/ when the burglar noticed Madeleine there he took her - it was opportunistic

    Thoughts?

    Definitely a possibility.

    What's difficult for anyone doing the above is in and out without been seen.

    People have said the McCanns were a stone throw away from the apartment and could see it from where they were sitting. If that's the case getting a car there 1 / 2 men in and out is difficult. You need a huge amount of luck.


  • #630
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    walshb wrote: »
    Are you for real?

    There are instances that paint quite a picture here...

    Nothing 100 percent, but to dismiss these details that, together, and in context, paint a picture, is just being obtuse..

    Not dismissing anything. There's no evidence at this point he was involved in this crime.

    For his previous crimes he shouldn't be alive IMO. But that's irrelevant.

    There's no evidence he as involved here.


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  • #631
    antgal23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭antgal23


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    i dont think someone would spontaneously abduct a child .i would assume it would be more planned at lest in this context

    i could see someone breaking in and Maddie waking up and the burgler tying to stop her making noise and accidentally killing her, then panicking and disposing of the body.

    You could be right

    I read the German guy funded his lifestyle in Portugal through crime so that may include burglaries. If he intended to take her then one would conclude he was stalking the complex to which ever should be witnesses
    But, then he must have been watching the place if he intended to burglar it

    Anyway, I hope it him and he answers for it


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