Madeleine McCann

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Or two people.

If she was abducted and not sedated, one person in the room passing her out the window to another always seemed the "safest" way for her abduct her to me.

That would match the two strange men lurking around the area in the previous days,

limnam wrote: »

As I said. The point we're at here. Is no clear evidence he was involved in _this_ crime. I find it odd that the "Pro McCann" brigade can find answers for the weirdest of behaviors. Blow off the dogs etc. Yet cling on to the oddest of things like someone changing registration of a car.

It's like an illness.

Must be the same illness the German/British police have, seeing as how they all believe there's a significant lead here and why the McCanns have never been treated as suspects by any of them. You could argue it's the same illness that prevents "anti-McCanns" from straying from the belief they were involved.

Tell me, why do you think this suspect, who had previous convictions for abusing children, changed the car registration to someone else's name in Germany, while the van was still in Portugal, on the same day Madeline disappeared? Not even slightly suspicious to you?

Nothing suspicious about the fact his phone call places him in the area half an hour before Madeline went missing?

Nope, nothing to see here - German police are just wasting their time and have nothing better to do I guess.

ittakestwo wrote: »

A lot of kids are very hard to wake up when they go asleep. I dont think a 3 year old would wake easily when asleep. You could lift one out of their bed and bring them to a car with out waking them.

I could imagine a paedo being desperate enough to take that chance but I don't think a single person could get out the window with the hope she stayed asleep. Just IMO. Even then, hoping she remains asleep in case someone else is bumped into exiting through front door seems very risky too. A 3 year old girl can scream and kick.

Again, the odds of your child being kidnapped are probably a million plus to one, so I wouldn't rule out anything.

Hopefully, this latest suspect is the guy, and closure can be found.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I have always thought it was two people . A car parked under the front window , one goes in the unlocked patio , hands the child out the window to another . The first one back out the hall door and into the car . Madeleine is gone out of P da L and into the countryside north of the village before she was even missed
How the didn’t leave any evidence is beyond me but maybe they very simply got lucky .

This guy had a history of burgling holiday resorts in The Algarve, so he wasn't inexperienced. I'm sure he wore gloves. No footprints found, as the apartment was full of different people before the police thought to seal it off.

No roadblocks set up and the Spanish border police were not informed of her disappearance until the next day. Plenty of time to escape.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

In all the difference of opinions I always feel that Madeleine gets forgotten . The poor little pet was the real victim . I just hope that whatever happened it was quick and that it wasn’t a prolonged agony

I don’t think anyone is saying that Madeleine is not the victim? Except linman who's weirdly keen to make a victim out of the pedo....

limnam wrote: »

Sure. It's odd. But it's no more odd that murats behavior on the lead up and people had him convicted in thier minds.

One of the biggest problems in this case is the never ending amount of suspcious/weird behaviour from so many people and some very unsavoury. Like the child rapist she spent the evening with drinking brandy. Like the McCanns friend who wanted to bath kids etc.

There's SO many weird situations. But I find them all odd. "pro McCann" only find it odd when it's something that's not pointing at the McCanns.



I can't recall if it was murat or someone else but following his phone probes over the period previously I was convinced there had to be some involvement based on the phone probes. I was sucked in.

Again you're proving the point I'm making. You're clinging on to relatively small coincidences. It seems because they point towards someone other than the McCanns.

I'm 99.9% percent certain the McCanns are innocent here save for leaving their children unattended, and for that, and Madeleine's loss, they will hurt more than any of us could imagine.

* The .1% is to never rule anything out, no matter how unlikely.

The McCanns, because of their physical appearance, have been cruelly labelled as "shifty looking" by some.

It is true they often came across as "odd" in early interviews but they are not naturals in front of a camera. People and companies spend millions on training for public relations/media training. The McCanns had none AND their daughter had just disappeared.

Any actions they undertook in the days/weeks/months following Madeleine's disappearance were undertaken in a state of utter shock. Their reality was broken. People react in ways that may seem strange to some onlookers.

It must be hell for them to read that some people suspect them of causing or allowing her death. I hope they have found a way to block out this noise. And to forgive themselves for leaving the children unattended constantly. I hope, too, that they get closure soon.

limnam wrote: »

Again you're proving the point I'm making. You're clinging on to relatively small coincidences. It seems because they point towards someone other than the McCanns.

No, the reason I (and other police forces) don't believe the McCanns had anything to do with it is quite simple. I haven't read one reasonably believable account of WHY they would do it, nor have I read one reasonably believable account of HOW they did, nor have I read one reasonably believable account of WHEN they did it, nor have I read one reasonably believable account of WHERE they could have disposed of her body.

If you go by established facts and timelines in the case and not by insinuation or unproveable supposition, then quite simply, Occam's razor applies, imo.

You continue to make implications that, in your opinion, make the McCanns look 'odd', however, none of these stand up to any reasonable scrutiny. The fact you find them 'odd' has no bearing on anything, quite frankly. It's armchair detective procedure 101.

You accuse people here of dogmatically defending the McCanns, yet I haven't once seen you discuss the possibility that this convicted rapist/paedophile/burglar - or anyone else - could quite possibly have been involved, despite the German police naming him as a very strong suspect.

Let's face it, you have your own dogmatic beliefs, so best not throw stones from your glass house, eh?

It's funny how your mind works I suppose, but over the last couple of days I've been thinking of Madelines siblings and where there head is at, with all that's going on.
Teenagers now, 15-16 years old with the usual turmoil that goes with people that age added to the horor story within their own family. I've wondered about their relationship with their parents. They're at an age now where their parents can't control what they're seeing and hearing. They have media, social media etc with versions that would differ from what they've been told.
Have they accused their parents of abandoning them that evening to go out with friends. The realisation that they could also have been snatched as well as, or instead of Madeline. Do they suffer survivors guilt? Or have they lost faith and trust in their mam and dad?
You'd imagine that this event, that they can't even remember, could shape their whole lives.

dark crystal wrote: »

So, no proof at all then?

Just another ludicrous conspiracy theory that just makes you look a little bit silly.

So no proof christian B was involved then?

Just some guy talking drunk in a pub and a phone call made on the same day ?

You keep proving my point.

You're so dismissive of anything to do with the McCanns but you've nearly completed your own trial on a German because he made a phone call.

splinter65 wrote: »

I don’t think anyone is saying that Madeleine is not the victim? Except linman who's weirdly keen to make a victim out of the pedo....

She's a victim for sure. If only she had parents who put her safety before thier drinking.

Poor girl.

fergiesfolly wrote: »

It's funny how your mind works I suppose, but over the last couple of days I've been thinking of Madelines siblings and where there head is at, with all that's going on.
Teenagers now, 15-16 years old with the usual turmoil that goes with people that age added to the horor story within their own family. I've wondered about their relationship with their parents. They're at an age now where their parents can't control what they're seeing and hearing. They have media, social media etc with versions that would differ from what they've been told.
Have they accused their parents of abandoning them that evening to go out with friends. The realisation that they could also have been snatched as well as, or instead of Madeline. Do they suffer survivors guilt? Or have they lost faith and trust in their mam and dad?
You'd imagine that this event, that they can't even remember, could shape their whole lives.

Hopefully they've been shielded from most of the venom that's been thrown at their parents, but you would have to think they've seen some of it given the prevalence of the internet.

I imagine they've always been told about their sister and have been brought up well with a loving family around them and hopefully that keeps them strong.

Just last year, I read they attended a church service with their mum where their school friends read out some lovely messages and joined friends and family in placing tree tags containing the names of other missing children, like Ben Needham, in the local village, which sounds lovely.

PokeHerKing wrote: »

I think a case like this just brings out the conspiracy theorists/investigator in all of us.

My own personal opinion would be that madeline was most likely killed within a few hours of being abducted by an opportunistic predator who was living locally. Hopefully it was this German guy to bring some closure.

Using his mobile in the area he was living in, to me, isn't that suspicious in itself. But added to his criminal history it's much more interesting.

I don't think it was the parents or a high level international pedophile ring. But only because they're statistically much less likely, not because either scenario is impossible.

The child rapist she sat drinking brandy with after she went missing.

He lived in the area. Was a child rapist. It seems there was a few in the area.

I'm not sure how relevant one of them been on thier phone is.

There was a lot less "apps" then. People tended to phone each other.

What does making a call in the area have to do with anything?

I can't recall if the child rapist she was drinking brandy with was thier at the time.

But if he made a phone call that night would he be a hot suspect?

fergiesfolly wrote: »

It's funny how your mind works I suppose, but over the last couple of days I've been thinking of Madelines siblings and where there head is at, with all that's going on.
Teenagers now, 15-16 years old with the usual turmoil that goes with people that age added to the horor story within their own family. I've wondered about their relationship with their parents. They're at an age now where their parents can't control what they're seeing and hearing. They have media, social media etc with versions that would differ from what they've been told.
Have they accused their parents of abandoning them that evening to go out with friends. The realisation that they could also have been snatched as well as, or instead of Madeline. Do they suffer survivors guilt? Or have they lost faith and trust in their mam and dad?
You'd imagine that this event, that they can't even remember, could shape their whole lives.

This is ridiculous. Do you honestly not think that the McCanns have done everything possible to prepare their surviving children for the pages and pages of total ****e they will read online about the disappear of their sister? All of the rubbish myths lies and defamation can be dispelled with evidence and will have been brought to their attention in advance of them “stumbling” upon it, or “helpful” ummm...“interested” parties of the type you’ll see posting on this thread, can draw their attention to via social media.
The level of menace directed at the twins over the years sickens me. A real desire to see them in pain, because their pain will hurt the parents. A desire to make sure that they know that their parents murdered their sister. Longing for the day when they’d be old enough to sit up at a computer and be “educated”.
Hoping they’d suffer. I keep saying it. A persons reaction to the story of Madeleine McCann was a serious revelation of that persons soul.