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Madeleine McCann

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  • #482
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,917 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Either way, I still have a natural tendancy to heavily blame the child abductors and Pedopheles for child abductions and pedophelia.

    If I park my nice valuable Mercedes AMG coupe car in Phibsboro, Dublin say, I leave the car unlocked, go into Tesco, do a shop for an hour, I come back, the car is gone... Who is to blame ? In my mind yes, the scrote who took what didn’t belong to them, first and foremost. But also, me, for enabling that theft.. I left a car worth 160,000 euros, unlocked, unalarmed, unguarded in an area of dubious reputation which I’m not familiar with..

    If you leave your daughter, your pride and joy, your flesh and blood, alone, in an apartment and area unfamiliar to you, at night, no staff regularly present, it’s careless, it’s thick, it’s active endangerment, it’s neglect. You neglected to ensure the safety of your child and actively endangered them to the point that they were kidnapped and likely murdered.


  • #483
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    And there we go - another nasty little attack.

    You really have it in for the McCanns, don't you?

    She wrote it in her book.

    It's not like I'm making it up


  • #484
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »

    Your concern is what they were drinking. not the fact they left their kids alone in an unlocked apartment while they wined and dined. *shrug* I'm the bad guy.


    Who said they drank wine?


  • #485
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    She wrote it in her book.

    It's not like I'm making it up

    Why didn't you provide any context to your nasty little dig?

    Wouldn't suit your narrative?


  • #486
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Why didn't you provide any context to your nasty little dig?

    Wouldn't suit your narrative?

    My narrative was there was a lot of peado's around.

    I thought it suited it perfectly.


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  • #487
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    limnam wrote: »
    My narrative was there was a lot of peado's around.

    I thought it suited it perfectly.

    Were the McCanns aware of this at the time of their holiday?


  • #488
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Were the McCanns aware of this at the time of their holiday?

    No idea.


  • #489
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    No idea.

    Of course not.


  • #490
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Of course not.

    I don't like to presume what people know and don't know.


  • #491
    supue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭supue


    spurious wrote: »
    Late last night - around midnight or so, I caught the end of a documentary about the case. It was on one of those stations nobody watches like CBS reality or Quest or something, not one of the main ones.

    The Madeleine McCann Mystery on Quest Red. I'm on eir TV myself, it allows me to back through the TV guide over the past seven days and repeat shows on certain channels. That one's available to me, so you might get it on catchup somewhere else.


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  • #492
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Pro McCanners have the blinkers on


  • #493
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    Pro McCanners have the blinkers on

    What a “Pro McCanners”?


  • #494
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Strumms wrote: »
    If you leave your daughter, your pride and joy, your flesh and blood, alone, in an apartment and area unfamiliar to you, at night, no staff regularly present, it’s careless, it’s thick, it’s active endangerment, it’s neglect. You neglected to ensure the safety of your child and actively endangered them to the point that they were kidnapped and likely murdered.

    They treated their priceless daughter like an old lada :mad:


  • #495
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    limnam wrote: »
    I thought she was working class?

    I think the mention of their jobs and occupation is more down to the surprise they didn't fork out £30 quid to have the kids minded and instead chose to leave them night after night in a foreign country in an unlocked apartment while the skulled GnT's

    Regardless of their jobs or background. That was a disgusting act.

    The babysitting service consisted of an employee walking around every 30 minutes or so checking on the kids. Pretty much what they were doing themselves.


  • #496
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    Pro McCanners have the blinkers on

    If we are “Pro McCann” that must make you anti McCann. Interesting. At least we have some context now for your theories that make no sense. You simply don’t like them and it’s clouding your judgement.


  • #497
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    limnam wrote: »
    skulled wine...skulled larger, whatever they were drinking

    You don’t know anything about this case do you? You’re literally making it up as you go along? How sad for you.


  • #498
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    limnam wrote: »
    They treated their priceless daughter like an old lada :mad:

    Said he, on no evidence whatsoever, making it all up as he goes along but apparently enjoying the whole idea...


  • #499
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    limnam are you a recovering addict or a teetotaller? Never seen someone so obsessed over two adults having a drink. It manages to make it into almost every post.


  • #500
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,050 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I’m as impartial as it comes with this.

    I definetly think the McCanns were negligent

    But what happened happened.

    I just hope they get justice


  • #501
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Im not arguing anything. I am just pointing out what is clear from you posts. You have a problem with them because they have money


    Like a lot on here and a lot of the people who think it is ok to abuse them and make up bullsh** stories.



    All thats wrong is I called you out on it. They lost a child and all you can think about is how much money they earn, the GnT comments says it all

    Some people who end up never improving their lot in life for whatever reason, health issues, other circumstances, become almost insanely angry when other people from the same background as them do very very well. Most of us applaud our old secondary school mates who do well, but you’ll always get a fair smattering like this. They can’t stand it and will delight in their downfall in the most salacious way.


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  • #502
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    I wonder does the German pedo drink brandy. It might be the only way he can acquire some of limnam’s disgust.


  • #503
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I wonder does the German pedo drink brandy. It might be the only way he can acquire some of limnam’s disgust.

    People who drink brandy or wine especially if you weren’t brought up to it, are apparently the worst.


  • #504
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Some people who end up never improving their lot in life for whatever reason, health issues, other circumstances, become almost insanely angry when other people from the same background as them do very very well. Most of us applaud our old secondary school mates who do well, but you’ll always get a fair smattering like this. They can’t stand it and will delight in their downfall in the most salacious way.


    I always laugh at the Republic of Telly "You know your Irish when"


    Guy in pub says he got a new job, other guys mutters under breath :P:P:P


  • #505
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    What’s the information on this German guy?

    Found a link https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-52937626
    The only suspect that a few different police forces have agreed on. All I know is he went all hippy a year before by selling his place in Praia Da Luiz and buying his hippy nomad van. He would of had to be in and out and drove away within 30 mins and not disturb the kids. So was he the guy seen with a kid in his arms walking through the night, the photo fit was a guy with long hair and a handlebar tache plus also a report of two guys hanging round the apartments two days before, I hope this is someone to end it all and I’ll happily say I was wrong about the parents. My deep suspicion is they have something to do with it. All their interviews seem very sketchy in my view but doesn’t mean I’m right. Again who goes out for a morning jog when your child is missing said to be abducted. Strange, just can’t shake that.


  • #506
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,917 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    silver2020 wrote: »
    This is the type of bullsh1t thinking that comes from reading the utter sh1te that is written in tabloids especially the daily mail.

    It was a gated holiday complex and they were a about 80 metres away and it had good security.
    MOST people would feel comfortable leaving kids safely in a bedroom. It is actually quite normal.

    You simply cannot live life worrying about every possible issue - otherwise you'd never get into a car, cross the road, smoke a cigarette, take a glass of wine etc etc etc etc etc etc

    In the modern world - how many children are abducted by total strangers.

    It is so rare that it makes massive worldwide headlines when it does happen. - About once in a blue moon.


    People reading rubbish in tabloids and coming to conclusions about suitabilty of the parents need to wake up to reality

    A gated complex ? Because a gate, can screen against any undesirable with dangerous and evil intent towards children, can it ? I think your own contribution summed up ‘bullshît thinking’ quite succinctly, but thanks for that contribution never the less.


  • #507
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The babysitting service consisted of an employee walking around every 30 minutes or so checking on the kids. Pretty much what they were doing themselves.

    It didn’t . Not in P da L . There was no walk around service as it was deemed unsafe . Other Mark Warner resorts had that service but P da L was not gated so it wasn’t offered
    The children could be left in the creche and bedded down with staff looking after them free of charge . Or they offered babysitting , in the apartment , for a fee


  • #508
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,147 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I’m as impartial as it comes with this.

    I definetly think the McCanns were negligent

    But what happened happened.

    I just hope they get justice

    I don't really see how they were negligent, unless they had specific warning that a spate of child-snatchings had been taking place in the area and they simply didn't listen.

    Otherwise, they were sat within viewing distance of their apartment and were making regular checks on the kids. They were set up for the idea that one of the kids might get up and wonder where there parents would be, in which case one of the parents would never be too long from arriving, but in any case they had a child gate that would have prevented their kids from exiting the apartment themselves.

    And in the normal course of things that would have been fine. They just happened to win the anti-lottery where the prize was their worst nightmare come true.

    If the McCanns were negligent parents, then all those parents of pretty much up to the mid 90s who let their very young children out to play all day, all Summer were similarly negligent. Imagine letting your 6 year old out with no supervision and little to no checking-in, even. Anything could happen. There could certainly have come a day where a van quickly pulled up next to them and they were turfed into before anyone could do much about it. 'Don't talk to strangers' wouldn't even have done much good, then.

    But in actual fact, this was almost always fine. Yes, every normal parent has probably unwittingly provided a potential opening for kidnapping at at least one point in their parental life, but they're usually not budgeting for such an eventuality anyway, and who really should given it's a statistically insignificant occurrence vs the amount of kids who go unsupervised for a significant portion of time every day?

    Bottom line is that the McCanns were ordinary parents who got extraordinarily unlucky.


  • #509
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You don’t know anything about this case do you? You’re literally making it up as you go along? How sad for you.
    splinter65 wrote: »
    The babysitting service consisted of an employee walking around every 30 minutes or so checking on the kids. Pretty much what they were doing themselves.

    :pac::pac::pac:
    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It didn’t . Not in P da L . There was no walk around service as it was deemed unsafe . Other Mark Warner resorts had that service but P da L was not gated so it wasn’t offered
    The children could be left in the creche and bedded down with staff looking after them free of charge . Or they offered babysitting , in the apartment , for a fee


  • #510
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,917 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    They were extraordinarily unlucky but their carelessness, complacency and poor decision making go hand in hand with their lack of luck. In fact the above presented directly the abductor with the ability to carry out his crime...

    If you open the door to the possibility of trouble, don’t be surprised if trouble walks right on in.

    I’d be honest, if I’m one of the friends from the getgo I’d have been saying something along the lines of, before we even left... “hey we all can take turns babysitting so you guys together can leave the kids for a few drinks together three or four nights, what do you say ? “. If I’m Gerry and Kate I’m biting your hands off.. also I’d be a little extra insistent if they were a little extra hesitant.

    No parent ever let or left kids THAT age (3) out playing in the street unsupervised.


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  • #511
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The babysitting service consisted of an employee walking around every 30 minutes or so checking on the kids. Pretty much what they were doing themselves.

    Sounds like a good enough reason to fck off and leave them alone


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