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Madeleine McCann

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  • #452
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    It was damaging to me when people said my father was not killed by a family member, and deep down I help a belief in fact she did do it ?

    There is no difference, you are blinded by what you perceive is the right, good thing to do.

    You were quick to brush off my experience as irreverent, its not, it helped me see both sides.

    I think it is you who is blinded by your own personal experiences but anyway. You had justice in the end and your assumptions were proven to be true, that’s great. But your case doesn’t take away from the fact that speculating without merit that two parents killed their daughter or covered up her death is far, far more damaging and dangerous than holding judgment and not believing to be true without merit. I’m done responding to you now.


  • #453
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I think it is you who is blinded by your own personal experiences but anyway. You had justice in the end and your assumptions were proven to be true, that’s great. But your case doesn’t take away from the fact that speculating without merit that two parents killed their daughter or covered up her death is far, far more damaging and dangerous than holding judgment and not believing to be true without merit. I’m done responding to you now.

    You are devoid of logic.


  • #454
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    :pac: ironic


  • #455
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    thats the nauture of unsolved crimes. People theorise about what may have happened. whats the problem with that?

    Ask Lindy Chamberlain.


  • #456
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Let it go? One side wants to be allowed to present opinions and feelings as facts and lies and myths and rumours as evidence of a crime. The other side wants to challenge that for the cruel and damaging nonsense that it Is.
    Also, I’d say that if you don’t like a thread or don’t like the direction it’s going in you can simply Unfollow it. Telling people to “let it go” is the preserve of the mods. If you you think a post is outside the forum charter then report it.

    2 sides with their own opinions. Neither side has any proof to back up what they're saying.
    If that's not acceptable to you, then maybe you should leave the thread. :)


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  • #457
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Ask Lindy Chamberlain.

    I don't think she was convicted based on people discussing it on an internet forum was she?


  • #458
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    How many lies did the McCanns make and why did they do it? Seems counterproductive.


  • #459
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Ask Lindy Chamberlain.

    Poor woman. Hope she’s doing good now.


  • #460
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    The most fluffy, on the fence, no opinion, garbage Ive read on boards.ie. Thats takes some doing. Youre contributing absolutely nothing.
    Maybe no one killed her and She just ran away :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    So admitting you don’t know what happened is fluffy now?

    So wild idiotic accusations is the new norm?


  • #461
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    callmehal wrote: »
    2 sides with their own opinions. Neither side has any proof to back up what they're saying.
    If that's not acceptable to you, then maybe you should leave the thread. :)

    But the accused doesn’t have to have any proof of anything. It’s the accusers that need the proof. And they have none. And that’s the way the adult sane world works. And don’t need any advise from you or anyone about which threads I may join, nor do you have any authority to advise.


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  • #462
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Most people problem is down to pure jealousy. A couple with good jobs and loads of money. It happened to them. That’s the problem

    How many times have we send posted across forums “if it was a working class.....” BS

    It’s sad that all people care about, how much money these people earn and because they are successful they have some right to accuse them of all sorts!!!


  • #463
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    callmehal wrote: »
    How many lies did the McCanns make and why did they do it? Seems counterproductive.

    You tell us how many lies they “made”. You are the one alleging that they “made“ lies . There is no evidence or proof that they ever “made” lies. That’s all in your head. But tell us anyway what lies you think they “made”.


  • #464
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Most people problem is down to pure jealousy. A couple with good jobs and loads of money. It happened to them. That’s the problem

    How many times have we send posted across forums “if it was a working class.....” BS

    It’s sad that all people care about, how much money these people earn and because they are successful they have some right to accuse them of all sorts!!!

    I thought she was working class?

    I think the mention of their jobs and occupation is more down to the surprise they didn't fork out £30 quid to have the kids minded and instead chose to leave them night after night in a foreign country in an unlocked apartment while the skulled GnT's

    Regardless of their jobs or background. That was a disgusting act.


  • #465
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »
    I thought she was working class?

    I think the mention of their jobs and occupation is more down to the surprise they didn't fork out £30 quid to have the kids minded and instead chose to leave them night after night in a foreign country in an unlocked apartment while the skulled GnT's

    Regardless of their jobs or background. That was a disgusting act.

    Who said they “skulled GnTs”?


  • #466
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Who said they “skulled GnTs”?

    skulled wine...skulled larger, whatever they were drinking


  • #467
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »
    skulled wine...skulled larger, whatever they were drinking


    So you have no idea. The fact you said GnT says it all.

    Your issue is they had money! terrible that is what it comes down to when a child is taken like that, all people care about is they had money. Disgusting


  • #468
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    I don't think she was convicted based on people discussing it on an internet forum was she?

    Not necessarily talking about her legal conviction (heinous as that was), more so how she was tried in the court of public opinion and found guilty of murdering her own child because her story didn't ring true enough to people and because she didn't look sufficiently grief stricken in public. Herself and her husband were also seen as 'odd' because of their religious belief.

    Some of the theories bandied about around that case at the time were just as crazy as some I've seen proffered in this one and made about as much sense. They were immensely damaging and no doubt incredibly hurtful to a couple who had already been through hell.

    I just see a great many parallels between both cases is all.


  • #469
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So you have no idea. The fact you said GnT says it all.

    Your issue is they had money! terrible that is what it comes down to when a child is taken like that, all people care about is they had money. Disgusting

    It's fairly concerning that your only concern here is that I'm saying GnT and not wine when it was called out what they did.

    Why would I have issue with them having money? I'm not some porper having a crack off the rich.

    As far as arguments goes. This is probably the most feeble.

    My issue is they failed to protect their child and chose to go out and wine and dine instead.

    Their bank balance is irrelevant.


  • #470
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Not necessarily talking about her legal conviction (heinous as that was), more so how she was tried in the court of public opinion and found guilty of murdering her own child because her story didn't ring true enough to people and because she didn't look sufficiently grief stricken in public. Herself and her husband were also seen as 'odd' because of their religious belief.

    Some of the theories bandied about around that case at the time were just as crazy as some I've seen proffered in this one and made about as much sense. They were immensely damaging and no doubt incredibly hurtful to a couple who had already been through hell.

    I just see a great many parallels between both cases is all.

    I would have thought it was more to do with the year it happened in and the lack of technology etc.

    There's an element of that in this case.


  • #471
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »
    It's fairly concerning that your only concern here is that I'm saying GnT and not wine when it was called out what they did.

    Why would I have issue with them having money? I'm not some porper having a crack off the rich.

    As far as arguments goes. This is probably the most feeble.

    My issue is they failed to protect their child and chose to go out and wine and dine instead.

    Their bank balance is irrelevant.


    Im not arguing anything. I am just pointing out what is clear from you posts. You have a problem with them because they have money


    Like a lot on here and a lot of the people who think it is ok to abuse them and make up bullsh** stories.



    All thats wrong is I called you out on it. They lost a child and all you can think about is how much money they earn, the GnT comments says it all


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  • #472
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Late last night - around midnight or so, I caught the end of a documentary about the case. It was on one of those stations nobody watches like CBS reality or Quest or something, not one of the main ones.

    It appeared to be made for the American market as they kept explaining European terms for the viewers. They mentioned the really surprising numbers of sex offenders the police knew had been in the area. From what I saw it seemed to be a very factual account of the evidence and witness accounts.

    It seemed like it could have been quite a good programme, but unfortunately I didn't catch the title of it.
    Anyone happen to see it, or have some site where you can look up yesterday's TV listings?


  • #473
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Not necessarily talking about her legal conviction (heinous as that was), more so how she was tried in the court of public opinion and found guilty of murdering her own child because her story didn't ring true enough to people and because she didn't look sufficiently grief stricken in public. Herself and her husband were also seen as 'odd' because of their religious belief.

    Some of the theories bandied about around that case at the time were just as crazy as some I've seen proffered in this one and made about as much sense. They were immensely damaging and no doubt incredibly hurtful to a couple who had already been through hell.

    I just see a great many parallels between both cases is all.


    It didnt matter what her story was, for a huge amount of people all they seem was two peopel with money


    Check all the posts here, across facebook etc. Hundred of "well if they where working class...." or "if they didn't have money...."


    That's all people cared about.


  • #474
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Im not arguing anything. I am just pointing out what is clear from you posts. You have a problem with them because they have money

    Is it?

    I think I mentioned money in this thread once. Replying to you. It was in reference to the cost of child care and it was more a point to explain why other people might bring up their salary. E.g. there might be a another reason other than jealousy.

    The opposite I'd say. If they're innocent I feel very very sorry for them. Even taking their negligence into consideration.

    I'm very lucky in comparrison.

    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Like a lot on here and a lot of the people who think it is ok to abuse them and make up bullsh** stories.



    All thats wrong is I called you out on it. They lost a child and all you can think about is how much money they earn, the GnT comments says it all

    You didn't call me out on anything. You picked up a BS point on what drink they were drinking.

    Pointless.


  • #475
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    spurious wrote: »
    Late last night - around midnight or so, I caught the end of a documentary about the case. It was on one of those stations nobody watches like CBS reality or Quest or something, not one of the main ones.

    It appeared to be made for the American market as they kept explaining European terms for the viewers. They mentioned the really surprising numbers of sex offenders the police knew had been in the area. From what I saw it seemed to be a very factual account of the evidence and witness accounts.

    It seemed like it could have been quite a good programme, but unfortunately I didn't catch the title of it.
    Anyone happen to see it, or have some site where you can look up yesterday's TV listings?

    That's the weirdest part for me. Or maybe I'm naive about how many pedophiles are in a given area. It seems the place was flooded with them.

    She was drinking brandy with one shortly after!


  • #476
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »
    Is it?

    I think I mentioned money in this thread once. Replying to you. It was in reference to the cost of child care and it was more a point to explain why other people might bring up their salary. E.g. there might be a another reason other than jealousy.

    The opposite I'd say. If they're innocent I feel very very sorry for them. Even taking their negligence into consideration.

    I'm very lucky in comparrison.




    You didn't call me out on anything. You picked up a BS point on what drink they were drinking.

    Pointless.


    No point back tracking now, you posted it. Not me.


  • #477
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    No point back tracking now, you posted it. Not me.

    Sorry, I'm not sure are you making a point here? or you hit a brick wall and have no where to go?


  • #478
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    I would have thought it was more to do with the year it happened in and the lack of technology etc.

    There's an element of that in this case.

    You're referring to the legal case against them, I was talking about how they were treated by the public before and during the trial. At one stage, a heavily pregnant Lindy was spat at by a member of the public.

    Hateful words and unfounded accusations have consequences. In this particular case, had it not been for a piece of evidence found by chance, she would have remained in prison and continued to be vilified by the public.


  • #479
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »
    Sorry, I'm not sure are you making a point here? or you hit a brick wall and have no where to go?


    I said I wasn't arguing anything. Just pointing out your issue here is the money these people had.



    I seen you in action in other threads, attacking people for 200 posts wont change the point. So off you go......its disgusting that all you care about is they had decent jobs


  • #480
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I said I wasn't arguing anything. Just pointing out your issue here is the money these people had.

    Based on my posts. When in fact there was only one discussing the cost of childcare. So your opinion on what my "issues" are with them has no basis.

    As I said. The issues is the negligence towards their child. Nothing else.

    They were Dr's. Not the jacksons.


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I seen you in action in other threads, attacking people for 200 posts wont change the point. So off you go......its disgusting that all you care about is they had decent jobs

    Your concern is what they were drinking. not the fact they left their kids alone in an unlocked apartment while they wined and dined. *shrug* I'm the bad guy.


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  • #481
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    That's the weirdest part for me. Or maybe I'm naive about how many pedophiles are in a given area. It seems the place was flooded with them.

    She was drinking brandy with one shortly after!

    And there we go - another nasty little attack.

    You really have it in for the McCanns, don't you?


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