George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

05-06-2020 08:56AM

Overheal wrote: »

POC more broadly refers to all non-whites

Basically everyone except whites, that's not a charged or divisive term at all. And it really seems to be the acronym de jour online. I'm yet to hear it said in real life, mind you.

05-06-2020 08:58AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Basically everyone except whites, that's not a charged or divisive term at all. And it really seems to be the acronym de jour online. I'm yet to hear it said in real life, mind you.

Coming to a town or city near you soon.....

s7ryf3925pivug · 05-06-2020 09:02AM

It is certain that the policeman killed Floyd. It's not certain that he was racist.

But that's not even that relevant. He's just one person. It seems pretty clear that he thought he could kneel on his neck without consequences. I can't see him feeling safe to do that to a white person. That points to institutional systemic racism. And that is a big deal.

I guess people will point to the old guy being pushed and stuff like that. That was unnecessary but doesn't remotely compare.

05-06-2020 09:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Coming to a town or city near you soon.....

And I'll be like

(Ironically brought to you by The Rock in his Nation of Domination days, a (storyline) black militant group)

circadian · 05-06-2020 09:13AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Soo... the right wing nut jobs with rifles pulled off a peaceful protest and these SJW and leftist just go bat sh*t crazy and start burning everything down.

Old man decides to challenge the police, "I have the moral high ground I am allowed to do anything"!

Police, "here let me help you understand where you're wrong".

Old man, "Ouch, my moral high grounds, they do nothing!"

So would you be defending the B-Specials and RUC at the outbreak of the troubles? This is the kind of **** they were getting up to then.

The police in America have absolutely lost control and in trying to enforce control they lose even more. There are cameras everywhere, there are hundreds of videos of police brutality, property damage and things that would be considered war crimes.

But it doesn't matter. It's all a sport to someone like you. Owning the libs, your side scored a goal. Yaaaaaay. You don't actually give a **** about how this is affecting people's lives because you're sitting on your hole in the comfort of your home reinforcing your out of reality ideas about what is right and wrong.

cdeb · 05-06-2020 09:18AM

Tadeo Fit Calf wrote: »

It is certain that the policeman killed Floyd. It's not certain that he was racist.

But that's not even that relevant. He's just one person. It seems pretty clear that he thought he could kneel on his neck without consequences. I can't see him feeling safe to do that to a white person. That points to institutional systemic racism. And that is a big deal.

I guess people will point to the old guy being pushed and stuff like that. That was unnecessary but doesn't remotely compare.

No, people will point to Tony Timpa, a white man who was killed in the exact same way by police officers in 2016. No criminal charges were brought, and the county offices fought tooth and nail to avoid having the incriminating video footage released, where the officers mocked Timpa in the exact same way they mocked Floyd.

That to me discredits your point about systemic racism. And that is a big deal.

hetuzozaho · 05-06-2020 09:21AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Soo... the right wing nut jobs with rifles pulled off a peaceful protest and these SJW and leftist just go bat sh*t crazy and start burning everything down.

Old man decides to challenge the police, "I have the moral high ground I am allowed to do anything"!

Police, "here let me help you understand where you're wrong".

Old man, "Ouch, my moral high grounds, they do nothing!"

Is this your summary of this one?
https://twitter.com/PhillyD/status/1268727223923535872

kildare lad · 05-06-2020 09:27AM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

The cops in New York are on edge to be fair. Weren't a few of them assaulted, stabbed yesterday ? Tensions are high

https://nypost.com/2020/06/04/nypd-cops-shot-in-confrontation-with-suspect-in-brooklyn/

joe40 · 05-06-2020 09:28AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Soo... the right wing nut jobs with rifles pulled off a peaceful protest and these SJW and leftist just go bat sh*t crazy and start burning everything down.

Old man decides to challenge the police, "I have the moral high ground I am allowed to do anything"!

Police, "here let me help you understand where you're wrong".

Old man, "Ouch, my moral high grounds, they do nothing!"

There was no comparison between the way the "right wing nut jobs" were treated and the way these protestors were treated. The first group were allowed to storm state buildings and government work was cancelled for safety concerns. Not a rubber bullet, baton charge or cs gas in sight.

Those people with guns were simply allowed to do what they wanted.
Maybe that's the difference they carried guns...

"Might is not right", that's a slogan from the north...

walshb · 05-06-2020 09:42AM

Has there been any information-footage on how George went from being upright near his car to then being brought to the ground for restraining?

walshb · 05-06-2020 09:48AM

Tadeo Fit Calf wrote: »

It is certain that the policeman killed Floyd. It's not certain that he was racist.

But that's not even that relevant. He's just one person. It seems pretty clear that he thought he could kneel on his neck without consequences. I can't see him feeling safe to do that to a white person. That points to institutional systemic racism. And that is a big deal.

I guess people will point to the old guy being pushed and stuff like that. That was unnecessary but doesn't remotely compare.

Nothing is certain....both sides will argue this, and you will have conflicting medical opinions and reports on what caused George's death

I can't know for certain, but from my viewing of the video footage, the color of skin here did not seem to be a major factor for why Chauvin did what he did...

Chauvin was defying the crowd here. They were challenging him, and he did not like it one bit....it made him even more aggressive and resolute in his actions against George...

Chauvin likely does this to any color....circumstances played a part here....

That is why it disgusts me to see such wanton destruction and violence on the streets, all being peddled and encouraged and condoned under the guise of racism protesting.....

The whole world is peddling it and promoting it.....Leo, Obama, and others.....

Instead of calling for a complete cessation to protesting to preserve society and quell the madness, they are pretending to make this about peaceful protesting.....there is nothing peaceful going on in the States now...

hetuzozaho · 05-06-2020 09:49AM

walshb wrote: »

Has there been any information-footage on how George went from being upright near his car to then being brought to the ground for restraining?

Well it's the police car. Chauvin pulls him out of the police car onto the road. But we cannot see why, this video has multiple video sources and explains the scene quite well IMO

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death-video.html

walshb · 05-06-2020 09:57AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Well it's the police car. Chauvin pulls him out of the police car onto the road. But we cannot see why, this video has multiple video sources and explains the scene quite well IMO

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death-video.html

Thanks.

This is the most factual and in-depth footage I have seen

ohnonotgmail · 05-06-2020 09:57AM

for those interested somebody has put together a speadsheet of (at the current count) 301 instances of police brutality against protestors. If police are happy to do stuff like when they know cameras are rolling then what are they capable of when they are not.

https://tinyurl.com/GFProtestPoliceBrutality

hetuzozaho · 05-06-2020 10:00AM

walshb wrote: »

Thanks.

This is the most factual and in-depth footage I have seen

Yeah I like how it explained the location of everything. I need things "drawn" out for me for it to go in

A fake 20 dollar bill.....

hetuzozaho · 05-06-2020 10:11AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If police are happy to do stuff like when they know cameras are rolling then what are they capable of when they are not.

Well to be fair we've watched them kill people while the cameras are rolling?

darced · 05-06-2020 10:13AM

What I don't understand is that cop barely pushed the old man and he went down like a ton of bricks. The cop clearly did not intend to injure him at all. It seems like a terrible accident to me.

There was the Truck on the highway video where again people were screaming blue murder at the drivers attempt to commit mass murder but the video shows him clearly stopping to avoid running someone over.

There is the video of the woman screaming 'I have a baby' while being arrested and thousands of comments disgusted at how traumatised that child will be growing up. I watched the video once and could see she was holding a pair of shoes and a bag not a child.

Then there is the video of innocent people being shot at outside their own home but the video pans around and there are about 4 of them dressed as antifa wannabes.

What am I missing? I feel like I'm going crazy.

Robert ninja · 05-06-2020 10:14AM

Rioters mad that they can't loot armed business owners: https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=f5BeQ1w4bfA

cdeb · 05-06-2020 10:14AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

for those interested somebody has put together a speadsheet of (at the current count) 301 instances of police brutality against protestors. If police are happy to do stuff like when they know cameras are rolling then what are they capable of when they are not.

https://tinyurl.com/GFProtestPoliceBrutality

It's interesting how much more powerful a list that is for not trying to categorise things by white/black. It puts the focus firmly on the real problem - what the police are doing.

joe40 · 05-06-2020 10:17AM

walshb wrote: »

Nothing is certain....both sides will argue this, and you will have conflicting medical opinions and reports on what caused George's death

I can't know for certain, but from my viewing of the video footage, the color of skin here did not seem to be a major factor for why Chauvin did what he did...

Chauvin was defying the crowd here. They were challenging him, and he did not like it one bit....it made him even more aggressive and resolute in his actions against George...

Chauvin likely does this to any color....circumstances played a part here....

That is why it disgusts me to see such wanton destruction and violence on the streets, all being peddled and encouraged and condoned under the guise of racism protesting.....

The whole world is peddling it and promoting it.....Leo, Obama, and others.....

Instead of calling for a complete cessation to protesting to preserve society and quell the madness, they are pretending to make this about peaceful protesting.....there is nothing peaceful going on in the States now...

Unless the police man was shouting "die n**ger" there is no way to know if an individual incident was race related.

This is not about Floyd in isolation. This is about the hundreds of unjustified police deaths in America over the years. The black population are bearing the brunt of it.

I hate to see violence but if it the result of this unrest is the American police finally implement reforms then that will save lives in the long run. (I'm not optimistic)

If the current system is allowed to continue then there will be more Floyds. More unnecessary deaths.
That is surely worse than some burnt buildings.

Police have a lot to answer for the way they behave.

The contrast with the armed anti lock down protests is stark.

ohnonotgmail · 05-06-2020 10:18AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Well to be fair we've watched them kill people while the cameras are rolling?

we have watched them kill some people. how many others have they killed that we dont know about?

hetuzozaho · 05-06-2020 10:19AM

darced wrote: »

What I don't understand is that cop barely pushed the old man and he went down like a ton of bricks. The cop clearly did not intend to injure him at all. It seems like a terrible accident to me.

Knocking people over is just incredibly dangerous as they can hit their head. As was the case here. Really poor police work.

And am I right that the guy who pushed him looks at the blood coming from the man and just goes to walk away?

ohnonotgmail · 05-06-2020 10:20AM

darced wrote: »

What I don't understand is that cop barely pushed the old man and he went down like a ton of bricks. The cop clearly did not intend to injure him at all. It seems like a terrible accident to me.

There was the Truck on the highway video where again people were screaming blue murder at the drivers attempt to commit mass murder but the video shows him clearly stopping to avoid running someone over.

There is the video of the woman screaming 'I have a baby' while being arrested and thousands of comments disgusted at how traumatised that child will be growing up. I watched the video once and could see she was holding a pair of shoes and a bag not a child.

Then there is the video of innocent people being shot at outside their own home but the video pans around and there are about 4 of them dressed as antifa wannabes.

What am I missing? I feel like I'm going crazy.

the guy is 75. he was pushed backwards. 75 year olds are not always completely steady on their feet. the cop should not have pushed him. the cop is responsible for what happened after he pushed hm.

hetuzozaho · 05-06-2020 10:22AM

joe40 wrote: »

The contrast with the armed anti lock down protests is stark.

And was there ever an explanation for this guy just strolling around, I presume he is part of some law enforcement?

https://twitter.com/taygang98/status/1267269447708028929

joe40 · 05-06-2020 10:25AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

And was there ever an explanation for this guy just strolling around, I presume he is part of some law enforcement?

https://twitter.com/taygang98/status/1267269447708028929

That just beggars belief.
Some idiot is going to come on and talk about "free carry" before long.

cdeb · 05-06-2020 10:26AM

joe40 wrote: »

Unless the police man was shouting "die n**ger" there is no way to know if an individual incident was race related.

This is not about Floyd in isolation. This is about the hundreds of unjustified police deaths in America over the years. The black population are bearing the brunt of it.

But the stats seem to show that black people have police interaction roughly in proportion to their levels of crime.

Certainly stuff quoted here either indicates that, or doesn't indicate a comparison statistic for other races and so has no context.

Is that racist now?

I think a lot of what you've said is just something people are starting to believe simply because it's repeated so often.

Carfacemandog · 05-06-2020 10:30AM

walshb wrote: »

Has there been any information-footage on how George went from being upright near his car to then being brought to the ground for restraining?

NYT did a really good breakdown using a few different angles and video sources.

ELM327 · 05-06-2020 10:30AM

cdeb wrote: »

But the stats seem to show that black people have police interaction roughly in proportion to their levels of crime.

Certainly stuff quoted here either indicates that, or doesn't indicate a comparison statistic for other races and so has no context.

Is that racist now?

I think a lot of what you've said is just something people are starting to believe simply because it's repeated so often.

Careful there, that's like targeting a "nomadic ethic minority" in ireland.
Statistically more likely to be arrested for theft in proportion to their levels of crime as a group.
But to say so is "racist" by the woke left.

For these people, the woke sjw left, the statistical truth is met by screeches of racism

05-06-2020 10:34AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

And was there ever an explanation for this guy just strolling around, I presume he is part of some law enforcement?

https://twitter.com/taygang98/status/1267269447708028929

I'd say her and her friend were some shrinking violets. With a username like taygang98.

The guy was told to go home and he went home. If black people followed police instructions they wouldn't end up in so many confrontations with police. I've seen so many videos of police incidents that start off innocuous but because black people are too proud or stubborn they constantly challenge the police authority and make a bad situation worse. If I am in the states I know since forever that they are dumb Robocop types who are not to be messed or joked with. They say jump I say how hi. You play their game then you have no problems.

joe40 · 05-06-2020 10:38AM

cdeb wrote: »

But the stats seem to show that black people have police interaction roughly in proportion to their levels of crime.

Certainly stuff quoted here either indicates that, or doesn't indicate a comparison statistic for other races and so has no context.

Is that racist now?

I think a lot of what you've said is just something people are starting to believe simply because it's repeated so often.

Just one news article I have read recently.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/american-police-violence-against-black-people

Even just look at the video posted above, are you seriously going to tell me if a heavily armed black man walked around like that in a tense situation he would simply be told to go home.

George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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