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"Everyday Racism"

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    #602
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Calls for an end to direct provision, repeal of the 27th amendment (anchor babies) ,a 90 day asylum process and full welfare entitlements including hap payments for all


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    #603
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    ExMachina1000 wrote:
    Calls for an end to direct provision, repeal of the 27th amendment (anchor babies) ,a 90 day asylum process and full welfare entitlements including hap payments

    Ha


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    #604
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,161 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You have examples of this?

    Here is one, by a politician:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/trinity-students-take-privilege-walk-to-highlight-access-issues-1.2599225


    http://trinitynews.ie/2016/04/what-is-privilege-tap-organises-a-privilege-walk-in-front-square/


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    #605
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2020/0601/1143769-4-books-to-read-to-be-a-better-white-ally/

    "One of the most damaging things about white privilege is that those who benefit from it often have a limited understanding of its existence. Me and White Supremacy educates readers on how to recognise and counter the privilege within themselves so that they can correct unconsciously damaging behaviours and help other white people to do better too.

    Filled with practical exercises, this is a go-to resource for anyone who wants to confront racial prejudices within themselves and have the right tools, language and knowledge join the fight."




    Nothing about "children having it being drummed into their heads that they're bad people just because they're white?"

    You're just reading in to it what suits your agenda.


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    #606
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Geuze wrote: »
    Here is one, by a politician:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/trinity-students-take-privilege-walk-to-highlight-access-issues-1.2599225


    http://trinitynews.ie/2016/04/what-is-privilege-tap-organises-a-privilege-walk-in-front-square/




    And the same there.


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    #607
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Nothing about "children having it being drummed into their heads that they're bad people just because they're white?"

    You're just reading in to it what suits your agenda.

    If its taught in schools then yes it is being drummed into their heads.


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    #608
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Nothing about "children having it being drummed into their heads that they're bad people just because they're white?"

    You're just reading in to it what suits your agenda.


    It's the Irish State Broadcaster preaching to Irish people that they need to "recognise and counter the privilege within themselves so that they can correct unconsciously damaging behaviours and help other white people to do better too".



    This argument takes as its starting point the position that we, as white Irish people, are privileged, unconsciously racist and need to do better; in other words that we're bad.



    If you're old enough to remember what this country was like when the Church ran the show you should be able to recognise the parallels with original sin and penance to keep people in line.


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    #609
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    If its taught in schools then yes it is being drummed into their heads.




    We've yet to see any evidence of that, as the "bad = white" thing seems to be a bizarre and highly hostile reading of a few books.



    It would also help if you define what "schools" you are referring to - primary, secondary or third level


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    #610
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    It's the Irish State Broadcaster preaching to Irish people that they need to "recognise and counter the privilege within themselves so that they can correct unconsciously damaging behaviours and help other white people to do better too".



    This argument takes as its starting point the position that we, as white Irish people, are privileged, unconsciously racist and need to do better; in other words that we're bad.



    If you're old to remember what this country was like when the Church ran the show you should be able to recognise the parallels with original sin and penance to keep people in line.




    Keep people in line with what?


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    #611
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    It's the Irish State Broadcaster preaching to Irish people that they need to "recognise and counter the privilege within themselves so that they can correct unconsciously damaging behaviours and help other white people to do better too".



    This argument takes as its starting point the position that we, as white Irish people, are privileged, unconsciously racist and need to do better; in other words that we're bad.



    If you're old enough to remember what this country was like when the Church ran the show you should be able to recognise the parallels with original sin and penance to keep people in line.

    Well let's all be bad and stop paying the license fee altogther. Let them get the €160 off their precious "New irish" and let's see how they fare.


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    #612
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Keep people in line with what?




    You asked for an example. I gave you an example and Geuze gave you another one. I then explained the example to you when you acted obtuse.



    You're arguing in bad faith so I'm not going to waste any more time on you.


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    #613
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    You asked for an example. I gave you an example and Geuze gave you another one. I then explained the example to you when you acted obtuse.



    You're arguing in bad faith so I'm not going to waste any more time on you.


    Yes, I disputed your interpretation of the books, however you then stated
    that the purpose of these books are to keep people in line. It's only logical, therefore, for me to ask you what you think that "line" is.


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    #614
    [Deleted User]
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    BarnardsLoop wrote: »
    Y'know, you'd be forgiven for thinking Boards is an American site if you went by threads like this. Who in the **** in this country is "drumming into the heads" of kids that they're bad because they're white? Seriously, go outside and talk to some real Irish people.

    How so? One poster made the comment. It wasn't echoed or liked by the other regular posters in the thread.

    And you're right... boards could be mistaken for an American site, rather because of comments like your own. The dismissal of a thread simply by seizing on a single post to represent the whole. I haven't seen you refute the more logical and better written posts on the thread.. just easier to pluck out something minor to deal with. Perhaps pick something that received a lot of likes, and then argue against it?


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    #615
    [Deleted User]
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Calls for an end to direct provision, repeal of the 27th amendment (anchor babies) ,a 90 day asylum process and full welfare entitlements including hap payments for all

    The thread is about racism. Not the asylum process, DP or Welfare.

    Successfully connect racism to them, sure, go ahead, but nobody has so far. Can we stick to the thread topic?


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    #616
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,583 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    What do we expect now with our children having it being drummed into their heads that they're bad people just because they're white?


    Invented victimhood complex raises its head again.


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    #617
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    cian68 wrote: »
    It's not a cold truth though is it? You've made it up

    They’ve the largest unemployment rate in the state.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1107/1009164-esri_migrants/


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    #618
    mynamejeff
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    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    They’ve the largest unemployment rate in the state.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1107/1009164-esri_migrants/

    is that because of racism or the cause of racism do you think ?


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    #619
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    Well let's all be bad and stop paying the license fee altogther. Let them get the €160 off their precious "New irish" and let's see how they fare.




    Poles don't pay the tv licence?


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    #620
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Der Local wrote: »
    Which books should I read to make me a better racist?

    doesn't matter ,
    if your white you a racist ,
    if you don't agree exactly with whatever crowing self enriching political publicity whore your already too racist


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    #621
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    The Irish Times did the same. Several interviews with African-Irish who described racism permeating Irish society, without giving any examples or being challenged to do so, one even described "silent racism" whereby she encounters no racist sentiment but just knows it's there.


    I sympathise with any of them who did encounter genuine racism in Ireland but considering we gave their families a home here, along with plenty of social supports paid for by Irish people's hard work, it would be nice if they returned the favour by not breaking the lockdown en masse to spread Coronavirus. This last issue was something else the Irish Times ignored, along with most media. It seems Gemma and John's small gang of nutters protesting is a travesty but thousands protesting about something 3,000 miles away is A-OK.



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/frustrated-and-angry-thousands-march-in-dublin-to-protest-death-of-george-floyd-1.4268066

    The vast majority of Africans got here via the asylum swindle. Over 30k got leave to remain after the citizenship referendum.

    They have the highest unemployment rate in the state. If Intreo have a non building sector course running, you know a large number of those in attendance will be African.

    We house them, provide them with healthcare, free education, welfare and very generous child benefit payments. The likes of which would seem like a lottery win back home.

    Never once have we been thanked. If there were justice, most, or their parents would have been deported within a few months of their asylum application.

    Instead we are labelled as the rebirth of Nazi Germany. I’m starting to slowly realise that no matter what we do, we are on a hiding to nothing.


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    #622
    b.e.s.s.
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭b.e.s.s.


    statesaver wrote: »
    Only white countries of course, bruh :rolleyes:
    Sorry. I know the topic is racism, but isn't your very own statement has a hint of racism? I mean, I don't get it what do you mean when you say "white countries"? Cheers


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    #623
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    b.e.s.s. wrote: »
    Sorry. I know the topic is racism, but isn't your very own statement has a hint of racism? I mean, I don't get it what do you mean when you say "white countries"? Cheers

    European countries. Countries where the native people are white.

    This is basic stuff. If he said black countries, you’d know well he meant African countries.


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    #624
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    European countries. Countries where the native people are white.

    .




    What about people who are born and bred in these countries but are not white?


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    #625
    osarusan
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    mynamejeff wrote: »
    if your white you a racist
    Invented victimhood complex yet again.


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    #626
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The thread is about racism. Not the asylum process, DP or Welfare.

    Successfully connect racism to them, sure, go ahead, but nobody has so far. Can we stick to the thread topic?

    People who disagree are being branded racist by the Twitter lefties .

    Do you agree with it or racist? You only get to say yes or no. That's how it works


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    #627
    [Deleted User]
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    People who disagree are being branded racist by the Twitter lefties .

    Do you agree with it or racist? You only get to say yes or no. That's how it works

    Then don't base any degree of value regarding what's said on Twitter. I don't. I won't ever post any links to twitter messages or stories, because I know that it attracts the most toxic of attitudes. It's a social media platform rife with extremist ideas. People who feed off each others misery and encourages an echo chamber of nastiness. There's no room for discussion or the changing of people's beliefs there.

    Just ignore twitter.


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    #628
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,390 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    A black guy in Salthill recorded a video when the Gardai were arresting one of the little scrotes for being involved in the fight there yesterday claiming it was like the cops in America using excessive force.

    I pity the Guards these days having to put up with gobsh1tes with smartphones as they try to do their job.

    He was on Galway Bay FM this morning eating a large piece of humble pie, someone must have told him over the last 2 days how idiotic he was because I doubt he copped it himself.


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    #629
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    b.e.s.s. wrote: »
    Sorry. I know the topic is racism, but isn't your very own statement has a hint of racism? I mean, I don't get it what do you mean when you say "white countries"? Cheers

    I think his statement was meant with irony. It's often the progressives that espouse that only white people can be racist. Open to correction but I believe that statement was meant tongue-in-cheek.


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    #630
    DulchieLaois
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭DulchieLaois


    I feel that this current issue in the USA is warranted but a few things bug me.

    I am not racist.

    1. All lives matter, shouldn’t be focused upon one race
    2. What happened in Dublin yesterday is a joke, can we focused on issues that affect Ireland like Health and Homelessness and have a protest rather than something in another country.
    3. There are videos being shared on social media by kids of African American descent portraying guards as being bad ass and heavy handed, and yet I never see any other race like Chinese or Eastern European doing this,I feel that this is an area that is be exploited and an dangerous precedent.

    I also find that many people are cautious and are afraid to speak out without being targeted.

    This is all about everyone, not just one.


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    #631
    double jobbing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    They’ve the largest unemployment rate in the state.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1107/1009164-esri_migrants/

    If 16% are unemployed, and 45 percent are working, what is the status of the other 39%

    Virtually none are elderly, and children can't make up all of them, most of them are probably Irish citizens.


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