The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

Enzokk · 26-05-2020 10:20AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

We know the facts.

People have made their minds up. Why bother using energy getting annoyed over something that doesn't even affect us.

Politically speaking, if there are more resignations, it could be problematic for Boris Johnson.

I told you why it affects us, you ignore it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-05-2020 10:25AM

upupup wrote: »

I think this will gain a few signatures today
https://www.change.org/p/dominic-cummings-must-be-sacked?use_react=false

676,000 and counting.

Enzokk · 26-05-2020 10:31AM

Dan Hodges having a mare on BBC Radio 5 Live trying to defend what Cummings did. He believes the eye test story because it is so outlandish it cannot be a lie.

hotmail.com · 26-05-2020 10:37AM

Enzokk wrote: »

I told you why it affects us, you ignore it.

It does not affect us. We have an interest of course.. but that's it.

Leroy42 · 26-05-2020 10:42AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It does not affect us. We have an interest of course.. but that's it.

OK, we get it. You don't think anybody should be talking about it.

You do know you don't have to post, or even read the thread don't you?

You don't care, it doesn't affect you. Doesn't mean that that is the same for everyone.

Akrasia · 26-05-2020 10:43AM

Enzokk wrote: »

Dan Hodges having a mare on BBC Radio 5 Live trying to defend what Cummings did. He believes the eye test story because it is so outlandish it cannot be a lie.

Has anyone asked if Cummings' wife has a driving license?

According to Cummings, he had to do a test run because it was so dangerous to drive to london with potentially dodgy eyesight

Why didn't he get his wife to drive?

Is he such a power crazy lunatic that he would drive for an hour while possibly visually impaired with his wife and child rather than ask his wife to drive them all?
If they were both feeling unfit for a long drive, they could have just taken turns driving

It's ludicrous that any intelligent person would believe his explanation

Akrasia · 26-05-2020 10:46AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It does not affect us. We have an interest of course.. but that's it.

It does affect us, because we'll havea much more difficult time keeping the virus out of Ireland as long as the UK remains an uncontrolled reservoir that we share a land border with and do a lot of essential trade with

Cummings' and Johnson and the Tory response is going to make the public health efforts to curb the spread of the disease next to impossible

Leroy42 · 26-05-2020 10:48AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Has anyone asked if Cummings' wife has a driving license?

According to Cummings, he had to do a test run because it was so dangerous to drive to london with potentially dodgy eyesight

Why didn't he get his wife to drive?

Is he such a power crazy lunatic that he would drive for an hour while possibly visually impaired with his wife and child rather than ask his wife to drive them all?
If they were both feeling unfit for a long drive, they could have just taken turns driving

It's ludicrous that any intelligent person would believe his explanation

Nobody actually believes it, but that is not the point. The fact is that all this stuff about eyesight, children etc, is nothing but an attempt to justify him breaking the rules. So by putting out any explanation, they are admitting that he did something against the normal advice.

They want people to waste time trying to work out the real facts, such as why his wife didn't drive. When that point is brought up they simply make something else up and people run off to 'prove' they are lying, again.

We know he lied, we know Johnson lied to cover it up. Why he did it, what he thought he was doing is nothing other than trying to justify it.

The only question that they need to ask any minister etc, is that if the public are now free to make their own judgements, can shops and businesses do the same? Will all police issued fines now be struck out to avoid waiting courts time?

Enzokk · 26-05-2020 10:49AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Has anyone asked if Cummings' wife has a driving license?

According to Cummings, he had to do a test run because it was so dangerous to drive to london with potentially dodgy eyesight

Why didn't he get his wife to drive?

Is he such a power crazy lunatic that he would drive for an hour while possibly visually impaired with his wife and child rather than ask his wife to drive them all?
If they were both feeling unfit for a long drive, they could have just taken turns driving

It's ludicrous that any intelligent person would believe his explanation

She does, she wrote a blog for the Spectator in 2012 where she talked about driving on a highway every morning for a hour dodging other cars.

https://twitter.com/MartineMavi/status/1264973679055777793?s=20

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-05-2020 10:51AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It does not affect us. We have an interest of course.. but that's it.

So why do you post in the Trump election threads?

hotmail.com · 26-05-2020 10:52AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

OK, we get it. You don't think anybody should be talking about it.

You do know you don't have to post, or even read the thread don't you?

You don't care, it doesn't affect you. Doesn't mean that that is the same for everyone.

The perennial outrage over Brexit, Trump etc.. worth reminding those that get outraged constantly to remind them that they aren't British or American. The outrage is wasted energy.

elefant · 26-05-2020 10:54AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Has anyone asked if Cummings' wife has a driving license?

According to Cummings, he had to do a test run because it was so dangerous to drive to london with potentially dodgy eyesight

Why didn't he get his wife to drive?

Is he such a power crazy lunatic that he would drive for an hour while possibly visually impaired with his wife and child rather than ask his wife to drive them all?
If they were both feeling unfit for a long drive, they could have just taken turns driving

It's ludicrous that any intelligent person would believe his explanation

She does have a license, she's written about it before.

The whole story is bananas. It's either a lie, or very weird.

S.M.B. · 26-05-2020 10:56AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The perennial outrage over Brexit, Trump etc.. worth reminding those that get outraged constantly to remind them that they aren't British or American. The outrage is wasted energy.

There's definitely a few of us here who live in the UK, it very much affects us.

Professor Moriarty · 26-05-2020 10:59AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The perennial outrage over Brexit, Trump etc.. worth reminding those that get outraged constantly to remind them that they aren't British or American. The outrage is wasted energy.

So people shouldn't comment on British or American politics? What about Brexit? Climate change? Protectionism? Nationalism? Do these not impact on Irish citizens? Doesn't having populist governments in Britain and America impact on these issues? Are Irish people not allowed to be angry or frustrated with these populist governments as a result? Are they not allowed to express their opinions, anger and frustration on discussion sites?

hotmail.com · 26-05-2020 11:03AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So people shouldn't comment on British or American politics? What about Brexit? Climate change? Protectionism? Nationalism? Do these not impact on Irish citizens? Doesn't having populist governments in Britain and America impact on these issues? Are Irish people not allowed to be angry or frustrated with these populist governments as a result? Are they not allowed to express their opinions, anger and frustration on discussion sites?

That's a lot of questions.

Interest is normal, outrage is ridiculous.

And arguably those issues are being introduced into Irish culture because of the over interest and outrage of Irish people.

The Tories are populist now? Eh ok.

hotmail.com · 26-05-2020 11:05AM

I think Cummings should be sacked by the way. He could have spread the disease to his own parents.

devnull · 26-05-2020 11:09AM

The Barnard Castle thing is more interesting the more I read about it, especially when you'll notice that the company who just happened to win a track and trace contract for the Coronavirus 2 days later has a big manufacturing factory there....

It's on the other side of the road from a golf club and a load of trees and greenery as well.

Smegging hell · 26-05-2020 11:14AM

'UK coronavirus death toll over 47,000 - nearly 10,000 more than previously thought'. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-uk-coronavirus-death-toll-22086439

Joe_ Public · 26-05-2020 11:15AM

devnull wrote: »

The Barnard Castle thing is more interesting the more I read about it, especially when you'll notice that the company who just happened to win a track and trace contract for the Coronavirus 2 days later has a big manufacturing factory there....

It's on the other side of the road from a golf club and a load of trees and greenery as well.

Following that story but not sure about it. The company Idox has an Alice Cummings as non exec director but i cant see that it's directly involved in the track and trace app. Needs more digging. What is interesting is that GSK, which is working on the vaccine, is based in Barnard Castle but beyond coincidence it's hard to read too much into that at this point.

26-05-2020 11:16AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So why do you post in the Trump election threads?

Gotta be the contrarian.

devnull · 26-05-2020 11:19AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Following that story but not sure about it. The company Idox has an Alice Cummings as non exec director but i cant see that it's directly involved in the track and trace app. Needs more digging. What is interesting is that GSK, which is working on the vaccine, is based in Barnard Castle but beyond coincidence it's hard to read too much into that at this point.

I think the Idox thing is almost certainly a red herring and I wouldn't give that to much credit t the moment as we don't even know if he has anyone called Alice in his family and again we don't even know what that company are doing. Needs more digging as you say.

The GSK stuff just seems a massive co-incidence and true co-incidences like that don't come around very often but there needs to be more on that. There's some people who are questioning why the media are not asking anyone about it but I suspect they would want to do a bit more digging first before they do but it does look suspicious, but no more than that.

robinph · 26-05-2020 11:21AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Following that story but not sure about it. The company Idox has an Alice Cummings as non exec director but i cant see that it's directly involved in the track and trace app. Needs more digging. What is interesting is that GSK, which is working on the vaccine, is based in Barnard Castle but beyond coincidence it's hard to read too much into that at this point.

I belive Idox were involved in the counting of postal votes which Laura Kunesberg most definitely didn't have inside information about the results of before the polls closed during the election. Nope, definitely not.

ancapailldorcha · 26-05-2020 11:22AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The perennial outrage over Brexit, Trump etc.. worth reminding those that get outraged constantly to remind them that they aren't British or American. The outrage is wasted energy.

So why try to provoke it with edgy nonsense like this? Some of us live here.

devnull · 26-05-2020 11:24AM

Boris Johnson's approval rating suffers almighty fall
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1265227061049917449

Here's Johnson approval rating in graph form
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Full dataset:
https://savanta.com/coronavirus-data-tracker/

Joe_ Public · 26-05-2020 11:30AM

devnull wrote: »

I think the Idox thing is almost certainly a red herring and I wouldn't give that to much credit t the moment as we don't even know if he has anyone called Alice in his family and again we don't even know what that company are doing. Needs more digging as you say.

The GSK stuff just seems a massive co-incidence and true co-incidences like that don't come around very often but there needs to be more on that. There's some people who are questioning why the media are not asking anyone about it but I suspect they would want to do a bit more digging first before they do but it does look suspicious, but no more than that.

That Alice Cummings was made exec director last month but not clear, as you correctly point out, that it is Doms sister. But idox is very interesting - former tory mp Peter Lilley was/is heavily involved in it, it has been awarded contracts without going to tender and has a controversial history in relation to postal voting. Part of it's remit is to collect people's data for the purpose of the electoral register and that just raises all manner of red flags to me anyway.

quokula · 26-05-2020 11:42AM

devnull wrote: »

Boris Johnson's approval rating suffers almighty fall
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1265227061049917449

Here's Johnson approval rating in graph form

Full dataset:
https://savanta.com/coronavirus-data-tracker/

Not to downplay the Cummings thing, but I do find it weird that after all the things he's pulled - to name but a few there's his history of making racist and homophobic remarks, his purging of his MPs on becoming leader, the high profile defections and resignations, shutting down parliament, being found to have acted unlawfully in the courts, refusing to release intel on Russian interference, lying about checks between UK & NI, hiring a eugenics advocate as an advisor, not turning up for Cobra meetings, bragging about shaking hands in Corona Virus hit hospitals, failing to provide PPE, failing to test in adequate numbers, abandoning tracking and tracing, overseeing more than 40,000 deaths and becoming the worst hit country in Europe despite having much more advance notice than Spain and Italy, the next worst hit - it's weird that this is the thing that has finally started to hit his popularity.

Enzokk · 26-05-2020 11:53AM

Another Tory MP calling for the PM to sack Cummings,

https://twitter.com/MarkPawsey/status/1265231695940288512?s=20

Joe_ Public · 26-05-2020 11:56AM

quokula wrote: »

Not to downplay the Cummings thing, but I do find it weird that after all the things he's pulled - to name but a few there's his history of making racist and homophobic remarks, his purging of his MPs on becoming leader, the high profile defections and resignations, shutting down parliament, being found to have acted unlawfully in the courts, refusing to release intel on Russian interference, lying about checks between UK & NI, hiring a eugenics advocate as an advisor, not turning up for Cobra meetings, bragging about shaking hands in Corona Virus hit hospitals, failing to provide PPE, failing to test in adequate numbers, abandoning tracking and tracing, overseeing more than 40,000 deaths and becoming the worst hit country in Europe despite having much more advance notice than Spain and Italy, the next worst hit - it's weird that this is the thing that has finally started to hit his popularity.

It's a great point. Johnsons big trick was to be a horrible person but yet portray himself as a people's pm. But all this shows actually how out of touch he is, nobody could so spectacularly misjudge the mood of a nation like this. Brexit he could fake it, get what he wanted. This is like Grenfell 10 times over. Cant fake it. Same for Gove.

Enzokk · 26-05-2020 12:00PM

devnull wrote: »

Boris Johnson's approval rating suffers almighty fall
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1265227061049917449

Here's Johnson approval rating in graph form

Full dataset:
https://savanta.com/coronavirus-data-tracker/

Here is another graph from that shows approval in the experts are steady and high, the government is falling and Starmer is rising.

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Joe_ Public · 26-05-2020 12:07PM

Have only limited respect for these mps turning on cummings purely because they are being pressured by angry constituents to do so. That might seem fair enough, but it is not how british politics is supposed to work - mps should be governed by their consciences first and they are representatives second. Why I'd have more respect for Steve Baker, he didnt hang around days to check which way the wind was blowing.

The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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