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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • #7682
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Is there any way to sack the media for telling lies?

    You've definitely jumped the shark this evening.


  • #7683
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,414 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Is there any way to sack the media for telling lies?


    Yes, don't buy them


  • #7684
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    I still think that holding his hands up and saying "I f**ked up" on Friday would have been the best way.

    It usually is. It would have been a crappy weekend and we'd be bored by today of it.

    Instead, they doubled down on Friday. Tripled down on Saturday. Brought in more fans yesterday as they weren't sufficiently covered in s**t and then decided to blow the whole thing up today.

    It shows exactly where arrogance and not being challenged for so long gets you.

    The cover up is ALWAYS worse than the crime. See Watergate, John Delaney...


  • #7685
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    2u2me wrote: »
    I think many reporters were trying to make it into a case of a war between the 'haves' and the 'have-nots'.

    He mentioned he went to a farm house owned by his parents that had three houses (I'm sure this can be verified). One for his parents, one for his family, and one with a 20 year old and a 17 year old he said that could look after his 4 year old if he and his wife got ill.

    I don't see a problem with any of this. It seems practical.

    Driving half an hour each way out of your way to test if your eye sight is working is another story entirely.

    From browsing a few comments from people claiming to be locals, some of his statements may be disputable. That he could have driven to Bernard Castle in 30 minutes, particularly given his condition, is being questioned. As is his claim that he went for a walk in private woods on his parents land. Locals, if you believe them, are adamant there are no private woods there.

    I also see a huge irony in the fact he went north so he'd have all the help they needed, yet had to rise up out of his sick bed to fetch his son from hospital, possibly another risky journey. What his sister was doing that morning, I've no idea.


  • #7686
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,142 ✭✭✭threeball


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    You've definitely jumped the shark this evening.

    All the headers who rush to Trumps defence do the same for Boris and his cronies. I wonder why that is...


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  • #7687
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    2u2me wrote: »

    For me his story adds up except this part. He should have just admitted it.

    It adds up in the sense he went to Durham and the places he said he went to he did. The reasons are bull**** and he broke the lockdown he was part of implementing.

    He has family in London (his wifes family before someone gets pedantic) , he also had access to the same supports (through the NHS i think) that everyone else has. But then, thats for the peasants.

    He tried to blame mean people on twitter and he had to flee London for his and his families safety. Really? The PM's closest advisor cant get a police detail when hes had death threats? and the best course of action is to head out to his parents house?

    The test drive to see if his sight was up for the drive? On its own a stupid thing to do. Taking your wife and child you are trying to protect? monumentally stupid. Why didnt he just get his wife to drive? They could have saved the extra couple of hours testing and been back in London . He also forgot to mention this trip to a scenic village was on his wifes birthday. Very convenient.





    And this

    https://twitter.com/colinrtalbot/status/1264972144909352962


  • #7688
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,460 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    threeball wrote: »
    All the headers who rush to Trumps defence do the same for Boris and his cronies. I wonder why that is...

    So one poster?


  • #7689
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭maebee


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    I still think that holding his hands up and saying "I f**ked up" on Friday would have been the best way.

    I said the same thing here yesterday. If he had held his hands up it would be over now. His presser today has dragged the story on and raised even more questions. He is a man who is not capable of admitting he was wrong. His story today had multiple holes in it. It was farcical. Hopefully he will pay the price for his arrogance.

    Don't know which is more ludicrous/hilarious, Cummings' 30 mile drive to test his eyesight or Johnson whipping out his glasses (propping up DC) and stating that Covid gave him eyesight problems when he is on the record as saying his eyesight problems began in 2014.


  • #7690
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,142 ✭✭✭threeball


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    So one poster?

    I've counted 3 on this Cummings issue and there's plenty of crossover in the brexit thread, but you already knew that.


  • #7691
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    So one poster?

    You've done it now threeball.


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  • #7692
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    The thing about holding his hands up on friday. There was already 2 high profile (as in made the news, Im sure most people didnt know who they were beforehand) jobs losses for the same reason recently. He has no excuse. He was part of making the rules. Im banging the same drum here but he (and the rest involved, the government etc) needs to be beyond reproach or the system isnt worth a ****.


  • #7693
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    I still think that holding his hands up and saying "I f**ked up" on Friday would have been the best way.

    It usually is. It would have been a crappy weekend and we'd be bored by today of it.

    Instead, they doubled down on Friday. Tripled down on Saturday. Brought in more fans yesterday as they weren't sufficiently covered in s**t and then decided to blow the whole thing up today.

    It shows exactly where arrogance and not being challenged for so long gets you.

    The cover up is ALWAYS worse than the crime. See Watergate, John Delaney...


    In my opinion Boris Johnson and Dominick Cummings are in a better position today than they were 3 days ago before the story broke, thanks to the media.

    They screwed up by the manner in which they presented the story for a short term gotcha that looked good at the time but the same media reported untruths as well to further sensationalise the story which is all now exposed for everyone to see. Now Boris has every right to fob off journalist's at the briefings given the way they behaved.

    Both Boris and Cummings have played this very well, brilliantly even. They exposed the media for their manoeuvrings and they turned it around in 24 hours when most people even myself though Cummings was going to go. What an utter eff up by the media.

    But that's not all. In giving the briefing DC did not come across as the evil monster he's been made out to be. Whether he was faking it or not, and whether his account was totally believable or not, you can't really trust how the media or anyone portrays him anymore after seeing him today. And who's fault is that.

    The intention was to get rid of Cummings. Instead what the media achieved was to make themselves look worse than they already were and make Cummings look better than he did. And that's what happens when you're not coming from a genuine place.


  • #7694
    Big Ears
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    AllForIt wrote: »
    In my opinion Boris Johnson and Dominick Cummings are in a better position today than they were 3 days ago before the story broke, thanks to the media.

    They screwed up by the manner in which they presented the story for a short term gotcha that looked good at the time but the same media reported untruths as well to further sensationalise the story which is all now exposed for everyone to see. Now Boris has every right to fob off journalist's at the briefings given the way they behaved.

    Both Boris and Cummings have played this very well, brilliantly even. They exposed the media for their manoeuvrings and they turned it around in 24 hours when most people even myself though Cummings was going to go. What an utter eff up by the media.

    But that's not all. In giving the briefing DC did not come across as the evil monster he's been made out to be. Whether he was faking it or not, and whether his account was totally believable or not, you can't really trust how the media or anyone portrays him anymore after seeing him today. And who's fault is that.

    The intention was to get rid of Cummings. Instead what the media achieved was to make themselves look worse than they already were and make Cummings look better than he did. And that's what happens when you're not coming from a genuine place.

    Sorry I'm struggling to read this post, I'm just going to go out for a drive to check my eyesight is okay.


  • #7695
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    AllForIt wrote: »
    the same media reported untruths as well to further sensationalise the story which is all now exposed for everyone to see. .

    Which untruths?


  • #7696
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    AllForIt wrote: »
    the same media reported untruths as well to further sensationalise the story which is all now exposed for everyone to see. Now Boris has every right to fob off journalist's at the briefings given the way they behaved.

    The intention was to get rid of Cummings. Instead what the media achieved was to make themselves look worse than they already were and make Cummings look better than he did. And that's what happens when you're not coming from a genuine place.

    I think he came off pretty bad personally. Up until that point about driving to the castle as a test run he had me then I started to question everything else. Some of the media expectedly came off bad, asking the wrong questions; although with plenty of emotion.

    What untruths were the media reporting about him?


  • #7697
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,332 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The only issue he seemed to be able to challenge was, that he revisited on April 19th. This is then used to undermine the rest of the facts the media have uncovered.
    Like being accused of shooting ten people and then feeling you're ok because you can say no, it was nine people I shot.


  • #7698
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    AllForIt wrote: »
    In my opinion Boris Johnson and Dominick Cummings are in a better position today than they were 3 days ago before the story broke, thanks to the media.

    They screwed up by the manner in which they presented the story for a short term gotcha that looked good at the time but the same media reported untruths as well to further sensationalise the story which is all now exposed for everyone to see. Now Boris has every right to fob off journalist's at the briefings given the way they behaved.

    Both Boris and Cummings have played this very well, brilliantly even. They exposed the media for their manoeuvrings and they turned it around in 24 hours when most people even myself though Cummings was going to go. What an utter eff up by the media.

    But that's not all. In giving the briefing DC did not come across as the evil monster he's been made out to be. Whether he was faking it or not, and whether his account was totally believable or not, you can't really trust how the media or anyone portrays him anymore after seeing him today. And who's fault is that.

    The intention was to get rid of Cummings. Instead what the media achieved was to make themselves look worse than they already were and make Cummings look better than he did. And that's what happens when you're not coming from a genuine place.

    This is quite superficial. You've not given any citations or even any detail. I get the impression that you just dislike the media for calling Cummings out on abusing his privilege and his hypocrisy and are now quite happy for the government to engage in authoritarian and anti-democratic behaviour simply because you dislike their being held accountable. Today is the first day, possibly in the decade that I've lived here that I've seen the media actually function as it should.

    He may be in power tomorrow and even this time next month but this isn't going to go away. The lockdown guarantees that. It's impossible to ignore and people now know that it's one rule for the political class and one for the rest and that's a bad, bad look for a government that got elected on a promise to address regional inequalities in this country. This will have cost Johnson significant political capital and the 20 Tories calling for Cummings excision are only going to get stronger.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #7699
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    https://twitter.com/NSP55/status/1265043854283210758?s=19


    It was never about a man that may have broken lockdown rules. Its about somebody in a position of power convincing the public that the media are irrelevant. And then the media using their outdated tactic of if you come after us, we will unite and return it tenfold.

    They want him sacked for his opinion on the media. Nothing more, nothing less. The media need to get rid of him for their own survival.


  • #7700
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    I bet Neil Ferguson is at home bitterly regretting his decision to resign, perhaps he could have kept his job too. I wonder what his excuse would be something like "I had to check to see if those condoms were working"


  • #7701
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The thing about holding his hands up on friday. There was already 2 high profile (as in made the news, Im sure most people didnt know who they were beforehand) jobs losses for the same reason recently. He has no excuse. He was part of making the rules. Im banging the same drum here but he (and the rest involved, the government etc) needs to be beyond reproach or the system isnt worth a ****.

    As it may be. But he was gonna try brazen this out anyway. Why keep up the lies. Better to admit you fupped up and brazen it out. It always ends quicker that way. Always.


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  • #7702
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    AllForIt wrote: »
    In my opinion Boris Johnson and Dominick Cummings are in a better position today than they were 3 days ago before the story broke, thanks to the media.

    They screwed up by the manner in which they presented the story for a short term gotcha that looked good at the time but the same media reported untruths as well to further sensationalise the story which is all now exposed for everyone to see. Now Boris has every right to fob off journalist's at the briefings given the way they behaved.

    Both Boris and Cummings have played this very well, brilliantly even. They exposed the media for their manoeuvrings and they turned it around in 24 hours when most people even myself though Cummings was going to go. What an utter eff up by the media.

    But that's not all. In giving the briefing DC did not come across as the evil monster he's been made out to be. Whether he was faking it or not, and whether his account was totally believable or not, you can't really trust how the media or anyone portrays him anymore after seeing him today. And who's fault is that.

    The intention was to get rid of Cummings. Instead what the media achieved was to make themselves look worse than they already were and make Cummings look better than he did. And that's what happens when you're not coming from a genuine place.

    Your opinion is unbelievably wrong.

    You're as out of touch as DC and BJ.


  • #7703
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Whilst unproven, someone on the Twatter (mentioned via a tabloid paper), linked his vist to the Caslte grounds with GSK.
    Might there be a chance the (poorly/contagious) chap was actually having a meeting or conducting business.

    Dominic-cummings-clive-lewis-uk-news-covid-19-2483682.webp?r=1590438304980


  • #7704
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/NSP55/status/1265043854283210758?s=19


    It was never about a man that may have broken lockdown rules. Its about somebody in a position of power convincing the public that the media are irrelevant. And then the media using their outdated tactic of if you come after us, we will unite and return it tenfold.

    They want him sacked for his opinion on the media. Nothing more, nothing less. The media need to get rid of him for their own survival.

    The tweet is bull****. He wasnt getting doorstepped in London and why would he have been?

    He ****ed up and then they took interest, thats how news works.


    Your banging this same drum over and over now since Friday. You keep telling us the news is irrelevant and the story will fade and most people dont care. It may well fade but the bottom line is , most people didnt care who Cummings was . Hes the advisor to PM, not a politician, people didnt know or care who he was and thats the way it should be.


  • #7705
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Oh look, a brand new account


  • #7706
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Johnson had a go at guardian journalist today about getting facts wrong. Guardian headline saturday said police had spoken to cummings, when it was his father they'd addressed. Bit nitpicky, but bit frustrating too guardian got that detail wrong.

    Are they wrong about April 17 trip? Thought i heard cummings say he could prove he was in London but not sure he specifically meant that day, would have to watch again. Personally i believe the witnesses thought they saw Cummings there but always a chance of mistaken identity. Keeping an open mind on that one.


  • #7707
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    coling1352853 wrote: »

    What I don’t understand is why the media is so mad at DC

    He was part of making and implementing the ****ing rules that restricted everyone else then stuck his fingers up and said they dont apply to him

    BTW, this isnt twitter. ****ing hashtags.


  • #7708
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    He was part of making and implementing the ****ing rules that restricted everyone else then stuck his fingers up and said they dont apply to him

    BTW, this isnt twitter. ****ing hashtags.

    Best not to respond. I mean it's a drunk bot that thinks it's on twitter.


  • #7709
    Call me Al
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    Water John wrote: »
    The only issue he seemed to be able to challenge was, that he revisited on April 19th. This is then used to undermine the rest of the facts the media have uncovered.
    Like being accused of shooting ten people and then feeling you're ok because you can say no, it was nine people I shot.

    I'm not too sure this is necessarily untrue either.

    Pippa Crerar still has this article pinned on the top of her twitter page.
    I know he says he has proof he was in London. Well she said she has eyewitnesses and seems to be sticking to her story.
    Plus we now know, going by Faisal Islams twitter feed, that Cummings lied today about writing an article in 2019 in which he predicted a pandemic. Turns out that on 14 April he amended a 2019 blog and added this paragraph.
    And webite data is actually proving this.

    This story is not near over despite what they might like to think.


  • #7710
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Best not to respond. I mean it's a drunk bot that thinks it's on twitter.

    TBH, It's more as a response to whoever the persons proper account is before the echo the points with that.


    EDIT. Seems maybe I was wrong and its more your end of it.


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  • #7711
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    It was never about a man that may have broken lockdown rules. Its about somebody in a position of power convincing the public that the media are irrelevant. And then the media using their outdated tactic of if you come after us, we will unite and return it tenfold.

    They want him sacked for his opinion on the media. Nothing more, nothing less. The media need to get rid of him for their own survival.

    Can you prove this at all? I'm sensing that some people feel that Cummings should just not be allowed to be criticised.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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