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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #5402
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    But Francie spent all day yesterday and couldn't answer a simple question on Sinn Fein yet today seems to know the internal working of FF and FG. I would expect the opposition as a SF supporter he should know more about Sinn Fein, would you not think?


    I seen what Francie posted yesterday, clear and concise answers complete with quoted articles and links to same that backed his responses.


    I also seen the posts you gave in response to those, stuff about not being able to find it on Google.


    Guess which posts I had more faith in?


  • #5403
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    But Francie spent all day yesterday and couldn't answer a simple question on Sinn Fein
    Funny Mark and Blanch spent today debating/responding to the answer I gave you, yet you claimed you 'could find nothing about them on google. :)
    . yet today seems to know the internal working of FF and FG. I would expect the opposition as a SF supporter he should know more about Sinn Fein, would you not think?

    Why would I not be allowed an opinion on how other parties are behaving? You are on here dissecting a party's manifesto and intentions. Is this another Only Redgirl Can Go Area?


  • #5404
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why would I not be allowed an opinion on how other parties are behaving? You are on here dissecting a party's manifesto and intentions. Is this another Only Redgirl Can Go Area?

    You're entitled to opinion, Sfos will agree with it,because well they would..
    But the rest of us will probably only agree with your facts,if they're correct, but maybe not with how you interpret them


  • #5405
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    You're entitled to opinion, Sfos will agree with it,because well they would..
    But the rest of us will probably only agree with your facts,if they're correct, but maybe not with how you interpret them

    Wel the facts are that as soon as FG got a bounce in the polls their tails were up and they were sniffing for the advantage.
    My 'opinion' (and I don't care who agrees with it or not) is that they will walk the walk and talk the talk but really want another election they cannot be blamed for. They sent out the young fella yesterday to try and spook the Greens, you will see more of that.
    I'm too long watching politics not to be completely cynical about the most PR image conscious iteration of FG I have ever seen. If Varadkar stays in charge much longer they will end up standing for nothing like what has happened to FF since the crash in 2008.


  • #5406
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    I have no idea what a vulture fund is, that was the question?

    Have I given you enough time to google?

    * Seems having to find out what a vulture fund is taking Bowie longer than expected :-)

    If you don't want to respond don't. People died so...something something...
    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    I do find it strange you are around a lot of these political thread lecturing people on how exception Sinn Fein are. This is based on a quick look at your posting history.

    Yet you haven't even read the manifesto of the party you voted for? so that would suggest you haven't read any of the other parties, not think that's a bit of an issue?

    I prefer SF's housing strategy, (and the SD's) to FF/FG's. You've added nothing by evading questions.
    I read FG's for the most part in 2011 and voted for them among others. They did a complete about turn IMO. So how did that help me? For your education, you are best looking to parties promises as general ideals. Building social and affordable rather than supplying business to private landlords, vulture funds and the like is a better direction.


    Back to you, last time. All we know of you is you don't like SF but are unwilling to support any alternative to building social and affordable or discuss those policies we currently follow.
    I'll take it you've either no intention or possibly the ability to respond after this:

    Do you feel record breaking crises year on year is something we need to keep?
    Do you realise that instead of building social we are entering into 25 year leases with vulture funds/private companies/private entities, (which ever you can understand), to house the very same people many of whom might be in rent arrears?


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  • #5407
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Wel the facts are that as soon as FG got a bounce in the polls their tails were up and they were sniffing for the advantage.
    My 'opinion' (and I don't care who agrees with it or not) is that they will walk the walk and talk the talk but really want another election they cannot be blamed for. They sent out the young fella yesterday to try and spook the Greens, you will see more of that.
    I'm too long watching politics not to be completely cynical about the most PR image conscious iteration of FG I have ever seen. If Varadkar stays in charge much longer they will end up standing for nothing like what has happened to FF since the crash in 2008.

    Interesting theory
    Falls down though with Vradakar straying from it with his friend handing out food parcels the other day
    I'd say your theory is just another new sfos angle ye have thought of
    Good one though
    Brains


  • #5408
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Interesting theory
    Falls down though with Vradakar straying from it with his friend handing out food parcels the other day
    I'd say your theory is just another new sfos angle ye have thought of
    Good one though
    Brains

    How does it fall down because Varadkar got caught be a hypocrite about PR?


  • #5409
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why would I not be allowed an opinion on how other parties are behaving? You are on here dissecting a party's manifesto and intentions. Is this another Only Redgirl Can Go Area?

    . Do you understand what opinion means?

    All I have seen is you lecturing people about how your right and their wrong? So if your right what’s your source?

    If it’s an opinion why are you telling people they are wrong when you have no idea?


  • #5410
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    Bowie wrote: »
    If you don't want to respond don't. People died so...something something...



    I prefer SF's housing strategy, (and the SD's) to FF/FG's. You've added nothing by evading questions.
    I read FG's for the most part in 2011 and voted for them among others. They did a complete about turn IMO. So how did that help me? For your education, you are best looking to parties promises as general ideals. Building social and affordable rather than supplying business to private landlords, vulture funds and the like is a better direction.


    Back to you, last time. All we know of you is you don't like SF but are unwilling to support any alternative to building social and affordable or discuss those policies we currently follow.
    I'll take it you've either no intention or possibly the ability to respond after this:

    Do you feel record breaking crises year on year is something we need to keep?
    Do you realise that instead of building social we are entering into 25 year leases with vulture funds/private companies/private entities, (which ever you can understand), to house the very same people many of whom might be in rent arrears?

    So you couldn’t find out what a vulture fund was?


  • #5411
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    . Do you understand what opinion means?

    All I have seen is you lecturing people about how your right and their wrong? So if your right what’s your source?

    If it’s an opinion why are you telling people they are wrong when you have no idea?

    Because in 'my opinion' they are wrong?

    Don't worry, stick with it, you'll get the hang of it. ;)


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  • #5412
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Wel the facts are that as soon as FG got a bounce in the polls their tails were up and they were sniffing for the advantage.
    My 'opinion' (and I don't care who agrees with it or not) is that they will walk the walk and talk the talk but really want another election they cannot be blamed for. They sent out the young fella yesterday to try and spook the Greens, you will see more of that.
    I'm too long watching politics not to be completely cynical about the most PR image conscious iteration of FG I have ever seen. If Varadkar stays in charge much longer they will end up standing for nothing like what has happened to FF since the crash in 2008.

    What does Sinn Fein stand for?


  • #5413
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Because in 'my opinion' they are wrong?

    Don't worry, stick with it, you'll get the hang of it. ;)

    But your not giving an opinion, you are lecturing

    Do you understand the difference?


  • #5414
    jm08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    markodaly wrote: »
    They are both taxation.


    Yes. Taxation on income rather than on property. A 3 bed semi in Dublin is worth about double what a mansion in a country town would cost. The person is being penalised for where they live.


    Taxation on income is better in my opinion, would would agree with SF on that one.


  • #5415
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Not sure which is the right thread for this, but the abuse politicians from all sides get from twitter morons really is ridiculous.

    Whether I agree with their policies, they are all people with families and feelings the vast majority of which do their best


  • #5416
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    My opinion is this
    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    But your not giving an opinion, you are lecturing

    Do you understand the difference?
    is a 'lecture'...you have been doing it since you arrived. If you have an counter opinion yourself, give it, I will consider it and answer it, if I have anything to say on it. The only person who can stop me giving my opinion here is a mod. You are not a mod.


  • #5417
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    McMurphy wrote: »
    I seen what Francie posted yesterday, clear and concise answers complete with quoted articles and links to same that backed his responses.


    I also seen the posts you gave in response to those, stuff about not being able to find it on Google.


    Guess which posts I had more faith in?

    I would be shocked if you said mine. But your do realise all I did yesterday was ask a question? Seems you have some difficulty with that concept.

    That’s you, Francie, Blaaz and Bowie who seem to have issues with people asking questions, I am starting to notice a common theme here.


  • #5418
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    My opinion is this
    is a 'lecture'...you have been doing it since you arrived. If you have an counter opinion yourself, give it, I will consider it and answer it, if I have anything to say on it. The only person who can stop me giving my opinion here is a mod. You are not a mod.

    Imagine asking to talk about Sinn Fein on a Sinn Fein . Why do you have such an issue with that?


  • #5419
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    That’s you, Francie, Blaaz and Bowie who seem to have issues with people asking questions, I am starting to notice a common theme here.



    What (valid) qs do yous want to ask??


    Seems to.me,your just trying to flame-war the thread to try get shut it down??

    (Name-checking individual posters is usually a common tactic in flame wars :) )


  • #5420
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    Imagine asking to talk about Sinn Fein on a Sinn Fein . Why do you have such an issue with that?

    I don't. What I do have an issue with is you scolding because people occaisionally talk about other parties.
    It is allowed. If you have an issue, report it. Or stop doing it, you have a scroll wheel I presume, like everyone else. There are multiple posts I don't feel the need to respond to.


  • #5421
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    So you couldn’t find out what a vulture fund was?

    Understood.


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  • #5422
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,464 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Mod: @Redgirl82 - rein it in. Next time will earn you a threadban.
    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    But Francie spent all day yesterday and couldn't answer a simple question on Sinn Fein yet today seems to know the internal working of FF and FG.
    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    I do find it strange you are around a lot of these political thread lecturing people on how exception Sinn Fein are. This is based on a quick look at your posting history.

    Yet you haven't even read the manifesto of the party you voted for? so that would suggest you haven't read any of the other parties, not think that's a bit of an issue?
    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    . Do you understand what opinion means?

    All I have seen is you lecturing people about how your right and their wrong? So if your right what’s your source?

    If it’s an opinion why are you telling people they are wrong when you have no idea?
    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    So you couldn’t find out what a vulture fund was?
    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    But your not giving an opinion, you are lecturing

    Do you understand the difference?
    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    I would be shocked if you said mine. But your do realise all I did yesterday was ask a question? Seems you have some difficulty with that concept.

    That’s you, Francie, Blaaz and Bowie who seem to have issues with people asking questions, I am starting to notice a common theme here.
    Threadbanned


  • #5423
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    I would be shocked if you said mine. But your do realise all I did yesterday was ask a question? Seems you have some difficulty with that concept.

    That’s you, Francie, Blaaz and Bowie who seem to have issues with people asking questions, I am starting to notice a common theme here.

    Hang on a moment here, I'm not sure you have a grasp on how these boards work.

    Usually, someone makes a point or post their opinion on something, people might call them out if they suspect they're being careless with the truth, and if or when that happens the onus is usually on the person making the claim to back it up with some kind of reliable source.

    I repeat, this happened yesterday, and Francie toddled off and came back with his relevant sources, complete with extract's from these sources which he copied and pasted in quotation formation.

    You came back basically dismissing what he posted because "you couldn't find it on Google" - earlier today you claimed to not know what a vulture fund was FFS, that's simply not credible to me and I'm sure many others.

    You can post links on sinn feins housing policies, discuss new builds etc and housing tenants arrears etc etc and not know what a vulture fund is?

    I definitely have "a difficulty grasping that concept" and you can quote me on that one.


    **Edit I didn't see beastys post above until I submitted this one**


  • #5424
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    How does it fall down because Varadkar got caught be a hypocrite about PR?

    Simple
    If the pr is so organised as you say,then he wouldn't have been caught out like that

    Btw,Leo wasn't being a hypocrite, he just didn't know his pal was out distributing food parcels and his pal wasn't told in advance that Leo was going to make the points he did

    They'd need a sort of an sfos for that level of awareness


  • #5425
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Simple
    If the pr is so organised as you say,then he wouldn't have been caught out like that

    Btw,Leo wasn't being a hypocrite, he just didn't know his pal was out distributing food parcels and his pal wasn't told in advance that Leo was going to make the points he did

    They'd need a sort of an sfos for that level of awareness

    Tbh the only way for him not to be a hypocrite,would be publically critise eogan murphy (hint: he wont)


    But him saying he'd be ashamed to be seen delivering food parcels,kinda deosnt help,the image of him hating poor people either :pac:



    But somewhat of a pointless storm in a teacup really....just came across rattled as fcuk to me (part of me,loves to see em all at each others throats :D )


  • #5426
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Simple
    If the pr is so organised as you say,then he wouldn't have been caught out like that

    Btw,Leo wasn't being a hypocrite, he just didn't know his pal was out distributing food parcels and his pal wasn't told in advance that Leo was going to make the points he did

    They'd need a sort of an sfos for that level of awareness

    Brilliant. That was exemplary limbo dancong there.
    He said because it is all a false persona. It is difficult to keep up with the fallacies he indulges. He was posting pics at Darkness into Light himself a day or so after. Not a hint of irony.


  • #5427
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Tbh the only way for him not to be a hypocrite,would be publically critise eogan murphy (hint: he wont)
    I disagree, he is either stupid or was not aware
    He's not stupid
    But him saying he'd be ashamed to be seen delivering food parcels,kinda deosnt help,the image of him hating poor people either :pac:
    His point was a solid one,that we do way more for our needy than is done in the North,its just unfortunate for him that his pal unbeknownst was out dropping stuff off to cocooners and others the previous Evening posing for a photo
    Has SF lobbied for control of welfare spending? Scotland has it


  • #5428
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Brilliant. That was exemplary limbo dancong there.
    He said because it is all a false persona. It is difficult to keep up with the fallacies he indulges. He was posting pics at Darkness into Light himself a day or so after. Not a hint of irony.

    What in the name of God has supporting a suicide prevention charity got to do with welfare rates comparison or any comparison between NI and RoI ?
    This is going to be another good one


  • #5429
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    I disagree, he is either stupid or was not aware
    He's not stupid

    Seems to me,he could quash accusations of hyprocrisy in blink of an eye and hasnt (as he is entitled to do)

    His point was a solid one,that we do way more for our needy than is done in the North,its just unfortunate for him that his pal unbeknownst was out dropping stuff off to cocooners and others the previous Evening posing for a photo
    Has SF lobbied for control of welfare spending? Scotland has it

    His main stand-out point was they shouldnt use this for cheap PR....while his own cabinet members done exact same hardly 12 hour previously :pac:


    It was such a well prepared rant and murphy completly undermined him,ya love to see it really


  • #5430
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    [Deleted User] wrote: »


    It was such a well prepared rant and murphy completly undermined him,ya love to see it really

    I don't tbh,because his point was valid
    But there is absolutely no contradiction anyway in handing out food and supplies to cocooners


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  • #5431
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    What in the name of God has supporting a suicide prevention charity got to do with welfare rates comparison or any comparison between NI and RoI ?
    This is going to be another good one

    Leo says: 'It's wrong to use poorly funded welfare services in the north for publicity', but it's ok for Leo to use poorly funded services here for publicity...that's rank hypocrisy to me.
    What does it say to you?


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