Turkey Didn't Win!

whisky_galore · 12-05-2020 08:43AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

The Eurovision is decided by a public telephone poll each year.

You think people's voting decisions are swayed by their memory of one song that failed to progress from the semi-finals 12 years ago? I think you altogether overestimate the degree of interest the world takes in the history of Ireland's Eurovision entries. Most people outside Ireland have completely forgotten, if they ever knew, that this ever happened.

Can you name all the songs that performed worse that Dustin in Eurovision 2008? Can you name any of them? No, didn't think so. And yet they must have been truly awful, obviously, to be beaten by a hand-puppet lip-synching to a novelty song. How disrespectful is it to submit such dire entries to an international song competition? And they are all completely forgotten. So, outside Ireland, is Irelande douze points.

Exactly.
We don't remember every piece of fluff sh1t entry every other country put out. Apart from a very very few bands and singers who make careers subsequently on the back of it, the Eurovision is a graveyard for performers.

Pherekydes · 12-05-2020 08:46AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I do feel Europe holds it against us(we totally disrespected the competition)and we'll never be treated fairly in the Eurovision again.

Turkey holds it against us, too. Insulting their country that way.

Brock Turnpike · 12-05-2020 08:48AM

It was exactly what the country needed as we careered towards oblivion.

Man Vs ManUre · 12-05-2020 08:56AM

I would like to see Podge and Rodge represent us next year.

up for anything · 12-05-2020 09:09AM

Jedward twice were the real one fingered gesture - at least Dustin could hold a tune.

topper75 · 12-05-2020 10:07AM

Catchy little number. Stuck in my head now.

"Irlanda Douze Points, Irlanda Douze Points"

Better than anything around today.

randd1 · 12-05-2020 10:22AM

We should have sent John Waters.

If his song didn't win on the vote, he'd have sued victory from them.

Hoop66 · 12-05-2020 10:23AM

I was walking along Dun Laoghaire seafront, very stoned, when who should I meet but Justin himself. "Howaya", he said. I nearly shat myself.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-05-2020 11:53AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

We will receive some sympathy along the way....but we'll never ever get what our entries deserve.....

I'd say we get about what our entries deserve. There are good musicians in Ireland and they produce good music and songs - genuine artists. But we don't send them. We send people you'd never have heard of before because they're not very good.

Look at the poppy guff we send every year. The songs that actually won for Ireland were interesting like Emer Quinn singing The Voice, or Rock'n roll kids. They weren't fast paced pop-house hybrids that nobody in Ireland would actually listen to. They were good and at least interesting.

Yeah, we get about what we aim for and what we deserve.

Church on Tuesday · 12-05-2020 11:54AM

Look, we are the Brazil of the Eurovision and with that comes a certain arrogance.

maudgonner · 12-05-2020 01:33PM

He is not a turkey, he's a turkey-vulture, ffs.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 12-05-2020 01:54PM

Ireland should just play in to it's roots, a kind of folky/celty entry. Ireland doing pop is kind of cringey. You don't think of Ireland in a romantic way and think of bubblegum, shiny, clean pop. You think of rugged men with beards playing guitars, beautiful women singing like Moya Brennan or Lisa Hannigan.

Think of The Dubliners, Clannad etc.

This boyband/X-Factor style ****e might fly for other countries but it's not really Irish. It's kind of cringey watching us Islanders with fake tan and going all Hollywood.

Having said that, it's a song contest and all bit silly anyway. Sending a Turkey is kind of hilarious for us but stupid or anyone else watching. They don't know Dustin. Just pick any random puppet you have never seen before and then think about how you would feel about that puppet. Now, that's what everyone else thought about Dustin.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 12-05-2020 02:11PM

ToddDameron wrote: »

It was the result of a vote on the Late Late as I recall. The Irish public are to blame.

I still remember how utterly dismayed some of the other Eurosong finalists looked, missing out to a puppet.

its_steve116 · 12-05-2020 02:16PM

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

I would like to see Podge and Rodge represent us next year.

Bring it on
"I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with potato!"

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 12-05-2020 02:18PM

Peregrinus wrote: »

The Eurovision is decided by a public telephone poll each year.

You think people's voting decisions are swayed by their memory of one song that failed to progress from the semi-finals 12 years ago? I think you altogether overestimate the degree of interest the world takes in the history of Ireland's Eurovision entries. Most people outside Ireland have completely forgotten, if they ever knew, that this ever happened.

Can you name all the songs that performed worse that Dustin in Eurovision 2008? Can you name any of them? No, didn't think so. And yet they must have been truly awful, obviously, to be beaten by a hand-puppet lip-synching to a novelty song. How disrespectful is it to submit such dire entries to an international song competition? And they are all completely forgotten. So, outside Ireland, is Irelande douze points.

whisky_galore wrote: »

Exactly.
We don't remember every piece of fluff sh1t entry every other country put out. Apart from a very very few bands and singers who make careers subsequently on the back of it, the Eurovision is a graveyard for performers.

I watched the Eurovision song selection competition that year for some reason and whilst none of the entries were great, some were absolutely better than Dustin. He was going to win, no matter what, because "LOL, it'll be hilarious!" or something.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'd say we get about what our entries deserve. There are good musicians in Ireland and they produce good music and songs - genuine artists. But we don't send them. We send people you'd never have heard of before because they're not very good.

Look at the poppy guff we send every year. The songs that actually won for Ireland were interesting like Emer Quinn singing The Voice, or Rock'n roll kids. They weren't fast paced pop-house hybrids that nobody in Ireland would actually listen to. They were good and at least interesting.

Yeah, we get about what we aim for and what we deserve.

I believe that was the year and win that hastened the introduction of audience voting. And I can see why. Her shrill voice cut through me. Bleurgh.

Man Vs ManUre · 12-05-2020 02:43PM

Marty Whelan is still having a Eurovision program on RTÉ this Saturday.

12-05-2020 07:33PM

kowloonkev wrote: »

It's not possible for Ireland to win eurovision anymore, so may as well send a turkey.

7 of the last 10 winners were Western European countries.

The Netherlands won last year for the first time since the '70's.
Portugal won a few years back for the first time after 50-something previous attempts.

Absolutely no reason Ireland can't win again, we just need to send a song capable of winning which sadly we haven't done for a long time.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 12-05-2020 10:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

7 of the last 10 winners were Western European countries.

The Netherlands won last year for the first time since the '70's.
Portugal won a few years back for the first time after 50-something previous attempts.

Absolutely no reason Ireland can't win again, we just need to send a song capable of winning which sadly we haven't done for a long time.

Yeah, true. The bloc voting isn’t as much of an issue as people make out. For example, if Greece and Cyprus give each other 12 points (as they almost always do) but both countries give, say, Sweden, 10 points, then Sweden is way ahead of both. That’s a simplistic example but I think it illustrates that the bit of neighbourly voting that does go on will only get a country so far.

Fr Tod Umptious · 12-05-2020 10:41PM

There are two myths that persist with the Eurovision.

One is that bloc and public voting has killed it, as others have pointed out bloc voting is not as influncential as people think it is.

The other is that gimmicky songs/acts win it.
They don't, and have not since the mid '00s.
For many years now "real" songs have won it.

Man Vs ManUre · 12-05-2020 10:47PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

There are two myths that persist with the Eurovision.

One is that bloc and public voting has killed it, as others have pointed out bloc voting is not as influncential as people think it is.

The other is that gimmicky songs/acts win it.
They don't, and have not since the mid '00s.
For many years now "real" songs have won it.

Except for the recent chicken woman that won. I think that year Cyprus had a really lively and modern upbeat song that came 2nd to this chicken woman.

KevRossi · 13-05-2020 01:32AM

ToddDameron wrote: »

It was the result of a vote on the Late Late as I recall. The Irish public are to blame.

RTE are to blame for putting him on the show in the first place. It's been a nepostistic circle jerk for years that serves to line the pockets of a few people in RTE who haven't the creativity or work ethic to want to win it. Then there's Louis Walsh who gets to decide who represents us if he's in the mood.

Billy McGuinness hit the nail on the head a few years back. He hasn't been let near Donnybrook since.

Short version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6nOWx7tqXw

Long version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP_LlbM3nyE

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-05-2020 03:18AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

There are two myths that persist with the Eurovision.

One is that bloc and public voting has killed it, as others have pointed out bloc voting is not as influncential as people think it is.

The other is that gimmicky songs/acts win it.
They don't, and have not since the mid '00s.
For many years now "real" songs have won it.

I think that was mostly true for the whole competition, not just the ‘00s onwards. All of Ireland’s wins are firmly not in the gimmicky camp. The one that strays closest to it is The Voice because it’s a bit Oirishy but Eimear Quinn, whilst not being to my taste, was talented and took music seriously. If you look at the winners down the years in general, yes there are some novelty acts occasionally winning but not very often. Every year has gimmicky entrants and we remember them but how often do they win?

daheff · 13-05-2020 08:08AM

I'm more surprised Jedward didn't win. They actually had a decent song

Turkey Didn't Win!

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