Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Ballso · 10-05-2020 04:33PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

That just looks like the ramblings of someone with fairly severe mental issues, genuinely worrying

She'd probably get the Health ministry under an SF government, lol

FrancieBrady · 10-05-2020 04:35PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

That just looks like the ramblings of someone with fairly severe mental issues, genuinely worrying

I'd agree to be honest. Hopefully somebody is trying to intervene there. Not good.

Poor_old_gill · 10-05-2020 04:41PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd agree to be honest. Hopefully somebody is trying to intervene there. Not good.

I'm not going to go down the this party v that party route here cos every party prob has a few nutters involved - but that stuff that woman comes out with at times is very worrying

gormdubhgorm · 10-05-2020 06:21PM

Regarding the discussion of succession of leaders in a party.
This is all I can think of when I think of SF.

FrancieBrady · 10-05-2020 07:03PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This is all I can think of when I think of SF.

What? Mary Lou as a man? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

McMurphy · 10-05-2020 07:25PM

all about the mane wrote: »

I have been through anything. Try harder.

You have no memory of this then.

all about the mane wrote: »

SF are so f@cked up. They won’t punish someone for making a leadership challenge. And are backslapping one the strength of it. Wow.

blanch152 · 10-05-2020 11:47PM

Bowie wrote: »

So if I list all the FG landlords what do I win?

No, waxing lyrical about how SF policy on immigration differed from their support base, which made the usual sense.
Shall we call each other liars all day or be adults? If I found it and posted it you'd run away anyway.

It's the inherent FG ignorance will always see them be second fiddle to FF unless theres a disaster.

You are making it up. That is all.

blanch152 · 10-05-2020 11:49PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Imagine these lads in 'power'.

No more than Leo, when you are going to have a pop, check the activities of your own party first.

A government minister, the Social Democrats leader, and Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin TDs raised questions about the potential health impacts of 5G technology last year.

I have no idea about 5g but I will defend anyone's right to ask questions about concerns. FG FF SF Joe Bloggs, you or anyone.

You will defend anyone’s right to ask questions about concerns?

Say Mairia Cahill? Austin Stack? Paudie McGahon? Paul Quinn’s mother?

Should they get answers?

FrancieBrady · 11-05-2020 12:08AM

blanch152 wrote: »

You will defend anyone’s right to ask questions about concerns?

Say Mairia Cahill? Austin Stack? Paudie McGahon? Paul Quinn’s mother?

Should they get answers?

Which of them didn't get answers?

They may not have gotten the answers they wanted, but nobody stopped them asking questions.

What you need to stop doing is coming up with the answers based on your prejudices and bias.

markodaly · 11-05-2020 12:51AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm a democrat...so yes is the answer.

So, you have no moral conviction then.
One can ask 'questions' about anything in your book and more importantly be excused for it as they are just being Democrats.

From Holocaust denial to slavery and inter-racial relationships, to a woman's place in the home to 5G conspiracies, sure people are just asking 'questions' and are 'within' their rights.

This is the same argument made by John Waters and Gemma O'Doherty, which kinda makes my earlier points about SF supporters.

I do post about mistakes and lapses...I rarely if ever try to tar whole parties with it, because that would be stupid.

Oh Really?? :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo, never afraid to continue the fine Fine gael tradition of lying...

markodaly · 11-05-2020 12:53AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

She is on the wine again

Some people are just scum, bottom of the barrel. She is one of them. How any party could even have her as a member let alone run her in an election.

Whats the excuse lads?

Why is there a strong whiff of Gemma Doherty from her?

gormdubhgorm · 11-05-2020 12:57AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Which of them didn't get answers?

They may not have gotten the answers they wanted, but nobody stopped them asking questions.

What you need to stop doing is coming up with the answers based on your prejudices and bias.

It is called human decency. Unfortunately, those within Republicanism have developed the capacity to switch off thier human decency. If it means furtherance of 'the struggle' and not damaging the reputation of unelected thugs who still hold sway in Republicanism.
Whether that be a street level, larger local level, or national level.
SF behaves a lot like the mafia rather then a normal democratic party.
You only have to look of the majority of types of character, SF attracts.

A lot of similarities are there. Go against your own means you are ostracised or worse. Like Dennis Donaldson.
The strange secret oath of allegiance. The justification of criminality. The strange euphemisms and lexicon of language, which replaces everyday language. Which also protects members from prosecution.

The flamboyant celebration of the Republican 'fallen comrades' and so on.

It probably attracts many who vote SF who want to appear edgy and be anti-establishment. The PBP would not be enough for such people, because they are only a party of protest - without a paramilitary wing that pretends to be gone.

Plus Republicanism is a bit of sham these days in any case. The civil rights issue have long passed. There is a good quality of life in NI and peace.
The life of any average citizen in NI is not going to change dramatically if they became part of ROI. All that it would really mean is putting up a different colour flag and painting the postboxes green.
Why selfishly decide to disrupt a peace for the sake of an ideology for 6 counties? It will cost billions and it will likely cost more lives?

Surely with this covid19 the last thing ROI needs when facing a recession is to take in NI - security, employment, health and so on.

Also the covid19 pandemic should make people realise that real freedom is not in the colour of a flag. But whether people can walk where they want and have employment, and health. That is real freedom. The basic freedom of day to day life.

Hopefully, it has jolted the Irish people in the ROI into what is really important human decency and humanity to thier fellow man.
Not games playing with words, making little of suffering (rape, murder assault) caused by an archaic ideology with a brainwashed furfore. By a party who likes to play the hard men if they don't get thier way.

All SF are at the moment is 'Saoradh lite' or 'Diet Saoradh' as far as I am concerned. Trying to make themselves more palatable to the Irish electorate.

FrancieBrady · 11-05-2020 01:36AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is called human decency. Unfortunately, those within Republicanism have developed the capacity to switch off thier human decency. If it means furtherance of 'the struggle' and not damaging the reputation of unelected thugs who still hold sway in Republicanism.
Whether that be a street level, larger local level, or national level.
SF behaves a lot like the mafia rather then a normal democratic party.
You only have to look of the majority of types of character, SF attracts.

A lot of similarities are there. Go against your own means you are ostracised or worse. Like Dennis Donaldson.
The strange secret oath of allegiance. The justification of criminality. The strange euphemisms and lexicon of language, which replaces everyday language. Which also protects members from prosecution.

The flamboyant celebration of the Republican 'fallen comrades' and so on.

It probably attracts many who vote SF who want to appear edgy and be anti-establishment. The PBP would not be enough for such people, because they are only a party of protest - without a paramilitary wing that pretends to be gone.

Plus Republicanism is a bit of sham these days in any case. The civil rights issue have long passed. There is a good quality of life in NI and peace.
The life of any average citizen in NI is not going to change dramatically if they became part of ROI. All that it would really mean is putting up a different colour flag and painting the postboxes green.
Why selfishly decide to disrupt a peace for the sake of an ideology for 6 counties? It will cost billions and it will likely cost more lives?

Surely with this covid19 the last thing ROI needs when facing a recession is to take in NI - security, employment, health and so on.

Also the covid19 pandemic should make people realise that real freedom is not in the colour of a flag. But whether people can walk where they want and have employment, and health. That is real freedom. The basic freedom of day to day life.

Hopefully, it has jolted the Irish people in the ROI into what is really important human decency and humanity to thier fellow man.
Not games playing with words, making little of suffering (rape, murder assault) caused by an archaic ideology with a brainwashed furfore. By a party who likes to play the hard men if they don't get thier way.

All SF are at the moment is 'Saoradh lite' or 'Diet Saoradh' as far as I am concerned. Trying to make themselves more palatable to the Irish electorate.

I doubt you'll be giving them a vote. That's one of the benefits of living in a democracy. Nobody is forcing you. Who you would have voted for after the conflicts that brought about the Republic I don't know.

all about the mane · 11-05-2020 08:28AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

She is on the wine again

Some people are just scum, bottom of the barrel. She is one of them. How any party could even have her as a member let alone run her in an election.

Whats the excuse lads?

How the hell could a party looking to be in government have someone like that as a rep. Stay classy SF.

all about the mane · 11-05-2020 08:32AM

McMurphy wrote: »

You have no memory of this then.

Of course I have a memory of that. You are proving my point.

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 08:41AM

markodaly wrote: »

Why is there a strong whiff of Gemma Doherty from her?

Strong whiff of SF off her

Have to remember, SF had a person in that area, they went after Violet, brought her in and then dumped the lady in that place. That was posted in her thread by a Clare voter

So SF know exactly what Violet Anne is like and she is the person they want in the party. They had options and dumped them.

Are S.F. saying they didn’t know anything about the charity robbing? The anti vaccine stuff prior to bringing her in?

What it does give us is a perfect example of a revolt vote. Yes it sounds great just voting for a party to pee off the other ones, problem is you end up with people
like this for the next 5 years

Runaways · 11-05-2020 08:54AM

Something in the water down there if the people are electing Healy raes and this one

Or perhaps there’s a certain kind of cute hoor politician just parrots what their constituents are saying to them. This would explain the 5g tinfoil hat nonsense were hearing from members of every party and none of them the sharpest apart from being savvy political opportunists

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 09:01AM

Runaways wrote: »

Something in the water down there if the people are electing Healy raes and this one

Or perhaps there’s a certain kind of cute hoor politician just parrots what their constituents are saying to them. This would explain the 5g tinfoil hat nonsense were hearing from members of every party and none of them the sharpest apart from being savvy political opportunists

Healy Rae are robbing the country blind....the fact they have no manifesto or agenda every 5 years and still get voted in show we have issues with our system.

FrancieBrady · 11-05-2020 09:24AM

all about the mane wrote: »

How the hell could a party looking to be in government have someone like that as a rep. Stay classy SF.

Are you seriously going to ignore the colourful array of chancers, fraudsters, bullies and loons that have repped for most if not all of the parties of this state at various times?

11-05-2020 09:31AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you seriously going to ignore the colourful array of chancers, fraudsters, bullies and loons that have repped for most if not all of the parties of this state at various times?

Micheal martin literally pedeled conspiracys about army councils and ran away and hid for 6 weeks,when people asked for proof

(Though aos 5G health concerns has as much physical proof as martins army council theory....both are pretty dim)

gormdubhgorm · 11-05-2020 11:11AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I doubt you'll be giving them a vote. That's one of the benefits of living in a democracy. Nobody is forcing you. Who you would have voted for after the conflicts that brought about the Republic I don't know.

Democracy? SF is a party who only knows the meaning of the word when it suits. For a real Democracy to thrive there has to be adherance to the rule of law across the board not just when it suits.
SF is a party who harbored a pedophile within its ranks for decades. Liam Adams did this pedophile suffer a fate like Dennis Donaldson or even a kneecapping like drug dealers receive from Republicans?
No, Liam Adams was protected by virtue of who his brother was. In the same manner the way the rapist of Maria Cahill is protected, or the murderers of Paul Quinn, or the individuals who robbed Northern Bank and so on.

It was not the first time SF had an uneasy relationship with Republican peadophiles/rapists.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WuU-WgKBTiAJ:https://gript.ie/sinn-fein-sex-abuse/+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

SF have the neck to go about the 'struggle', what about those who have the constant 'struggle' with sleepless nights because they cannot get justice for murder of thier loved ones. Or those who have to suffer the truma of rape and just shrug it off an move on.

To me it is psychopathic in it's attitude. Justice is only granted to those the Republican cause deem worthy. Bloody Sunday 1972 used as propaganda by SF they wanted justice then. For decades pressure was put on for a proper inquiry. Decades! But when light is shone on thier own house they run and hide, especially very recent Republican criminality. Deflect and deny and hope enough years pass for people to forget.

You have fellas topping the poll in a GE who clearly do not respect the rule of law in the state they purport to represent. It could only happen in a working class area where the voters do not give a f**k about the rule of law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aengus_%C3%93_Snodaigh

Yet this is the mindset you seem to view as acceptable. Remember this is a fella whose family do not respect the rule of law in the ROI.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:F0u2PcYqdGEJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wife-of-sf-deputy-among-three-fined-for-public-order-offences-1.405803+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HFyHRsg1OyEJ:https://magill.ie/archive/aengus-o-snodaigh-pure-snow+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

You seem to have the SF ability to compartmentalise actions and find a justification for them. From murder, right down to spying and robbery.
How that you say that a party is for democracy when it does not respect the rule of the state they purport to represent.

But of course in the SF mindset thier 25% (535,595 pop vote) mandate is a mandate for change. That is the mantra. A mandate which is a lot smaller than the vote for those parties who said they would not go into government with SF pre election

FG 22.2%.(455,584 pop vote) FF 20.9% (484,320 pop vote)
Labour 4.4% (95,588 pop vote)

That is 535,595 (SF) v 1,035,492‬ (FF/FG/Labour).

So who really has the mandate. I don't know how you can equate SF to democracy when they play hard and fast with it's meaning.
They do not respect the rule of law which is a large part of the reason people voted for parties which said they would not go into government with SF.

Yet SF want to seem to crow about thier mandate of 535,595 but do not accept the mandate of 1,035,492 that clearly does not view them as fit for government.

So let's not play games here and pretend that SF accept democracy they have a disdain for the law of the land in the ROI.

Nor do they accept the SCC (not because of the good work it does in getting drug dealers - but because a lot of unelected comrádaí have a bad history with it)

FrancieBrady · 11-05-2020 11:24AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Democracy? SF is a party who only knows the meaning of the word when it suits. For a real Democracy to thrive there has to be adherance to the rule of law across the board not just when it suits.
SF is a party who harbored a pedophile within its ranks for decades. Liam Adams did this pedophile suffer a fate like Dennis Donaldson or even a kneecapping like drug dealers receive from Republicans?
No, Liam Adams was protected by virtue of who his brother was. In the same manner the way the rapist of Maria Cahill is protected, or the murderers of Paul Quinn, or the individuals who robbed Northern Bank and so on.

SF have the neck to go about the 'struggle', what about those who have the constant 'struggle' with sleepless nights because they cannot get justice for murder of thier loved ones. Or those who have to suffer the truma of rape and just shrug it off an move on.

To me it is psychopathic in it's attitude. Justice is only granted to those the Republican cause deem worthy. Bloody Sunday 1972 used as propaganda by SF they wanted justice then. For decades pressure was put on for a proper inquiry. Decades! But when light is shone on thier own house they run and hide, especially very recent Republican criminality. Deflect and deny and hope enough years pass for people to forget.

You have fellas topping the poll in a GE who clearly do not respect the rule of law in the state they purport to represent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aengus_%C3%93_Snodaigh

Yet this is the mindset you seem to view as acceptable. Remember this is a fella whose family do not respect the rule of law in the ROI.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:F0u2PcYqdGEJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wife-of-sf-deputy-among-three-fined-for-public-order-offences-1.405803+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HFyHRsg1OyEJ:https://magill.ie/archive/aengus-o-snodaigh-pure-snow+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

You seem to have the SF ability to compartmentalise actions and find a justification for them. From murder, right down to spying and robbery.
How that you say that a party is for democracy when it does not respect the rule of the state they purport to represent.

But of course in the SF mindset thier 25% (535,595 pop vote) mandate is a mandate for change. That is the mantra. A mandate which is a lot smaller than the vote for those parties who said they wouldnot go into government with SF pre election

FG 22.2%.(455,584 pop vote) FF 20.9% (484,320 pop vote)
Labour 4.4% (95,588 pop vote)

That is 535,595 (SF) v 1,035,492‬ (FF/FG/Labour).

So who really has the mandate. I don't know how you can equate SF to democracy when they play hard and fast with it's meaning.
They do not respect the rule of law which is a large part of the reason people voted for parties which said they would not go into government with SF.

Yet SF want to seem to crow about thier mandate of 535,595 but do not accept the mandate of 1,035,492 that clearly does not view them as fit for government.

So let's not play games here and pretend that SF accept democracy they have a disdain for the law of the land in the ROI.

Nor do they accept the SCC (not because of the good work it does in getting drug dealers - but because a lot of unelected comrádaí have a bad history with it)

While Enda and Michael were getting their pics taken on the steps of the Dáíl with somebody who alleged she had been abused by a SF member (who at the end of the day, was fully prepared to go into a court and defend himself as is his democratic right) both of them were leaders of parties who had fought Louise O'Keefe all the way to the European Court.
Have a look at the attempt to get the Ceann Comhairle to confront and address his support for a 'convicted abuser' abuser and various other blind eyes that were turned over the years.
The fact is, not a single party nor most of the organisations or institutions of this country, did not have issues with dealing with abuse within. Sinn Fein were no different and Adams addressed what happened with his brother.

It's nothing to be proud off, and I can't think of anyone who excused it.

I see you have convicted the man alleged in the Mairia Cahill case, which says more about your attitude to democracy here.

Look...just don't vote for them...vote for whatever paragons of 'democracy' you can find. You'll be happier.

smurgen · 11-05-2020 11:42AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Healy Rae are robbing the country blind....the fact they have no manifesto or agenda every 5 years and still get voted in show we have issues with our system.

Same with Leo the 5th,Simon the 11th,Simon the 15th, Eoghan the 8th.Major issues with our system showing these four are still in the driving seat.

gormdubhgorm · 11-05-2020 11:44AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

While Enda and Michael were getting their pics taken on the steps of the Dáíl with somebody who alleged she had been abused by a SF member (who at the end of the day, was fully prepared to go into a court and defend himself as is his democratic right) both of them were leaders of parties who had fought Louise O'Keefe all the way to the European Court.
Have a look at the attempt to get the Ceann Comhairle to confront and address his support for a 'convicted abuser' abuser and various other blind eyes that were turned over the years.
The fact is, not a single party nor most of the organisations or institutions of this country, did not have issues with dealing with abuse within. Sinn Fein were no different and Adams addressed what happened with his brother.

It's nothing to be proud off, and I can't think of anyone who excused it.

I see you have convicted the man alleged in the Mairia Cahill case, which says more about your attitude to democracy here.

Look...just don't vote for them...vote for whatever paragons of 'democracy' you can find. You'll be happier.

Well maybe you are like Mary Lou can look her own children in the eye and have a good night's sleep. Maybe like her you can play tricks on your mind to justify such actions all in the name of green postboxes. In the furtherance of the 'struggle' for the postbox colour change - Republicans 'with pull' do not have to adhere to the rule of law.
Their behavior is excused - rape, murder, tax evasion (Slab Murphy) it does not matter - if they 'have pull' in republican circles

But when Mary Lou hears something she does not like 'as a woman' from a new inconsequential SF member she is given 'the OK' to act on it - Paddy Holohan.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/beyond-offensive-sinn-fein-suspends-paddy-holohan-from-party-after-controversial-comments-38870583.html

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YkdrJqi1hP4J:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mary-lou-mcdonald-upset-by-sf-councillor-s-vile-comments-1.4147745+&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

Yet she cannot act in the far more serious cases of Maria Cahill, Paul Quinn and so on. Wouldn't you think Mary Lou would be more offended by the Paul Quinn case (as a mother) or the Maria Cahill case (as a woman) ????

That to me speaks volumes that there are 'strong republican families' within the protection of SF can have a free hand and can do as they wish with impunity.
And Mary Lou only gets 'the OK' to act if that person is expendable, and outside these circles

FrancieBrady · 11-05-2020 11:53AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Well maybe you are like Mary Lou can look her own children in the eye and have a good night's sleep. Maybe like her you can play tricks on your mind to justify such actions all in the name of green postboxes. In the furtherance of the 'struggle' for the postbox colour change - Republicans with pull do not have to adhere to the rule of law.
Their behavior is excused - rape, murder, tax evasion (Slab Murphy) it does not matter - if they have pull in republican circles

But when Mary Lou hears something she does not like 'as a woman' from a now inconsequential SF member she is given the OK to act - Paddy Holohan.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/beyond-offensive-sinn-fein-suspends-paddy-holohan-from-party-after-controversial-comments-38870583.html

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YkdrJqi1hP4J:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mary-lou-mcdonald-upset-by-sf-councillor-s-vile-comments-1.4147745+&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

Yet she cannot act in the far more serious cases of Maria Cahill, Paul Quinn and so on. Wouldn't you think Mary Lou would be more offended by the Paul Quinn case (as a mother) or the Maria Cahill case (as a woman)

That to me speaks volumes that there are 'strong republican families' within the protection of SF can have a free hand and can do as they wish with immunity.
And Mary Lou only gets 'the OK' to act if that person is expendable, and outside these circles

What do you want her to do in the Mairia Cahill case?

What do you want her to do in the Paul Quinn case, in which SF or the IRA were not involved according to the Monitoring Commission and the PSNI?
Again, as soon as it served it's political and electoral purpose both the above cases were dropped like hot potatoes by FF and FG.

gormdubhgorm · 11-05-2020 12:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What do you want her to do in the Mairia Cahill case?

What do you want her to do in the Paul Quinn case, in which SF or the IRA were not involved according to the Monitoring Commission and the PSNI?
Again, as soon as it served it's political and electoral purpose both the above cases were dropped like hot potatoes by FF and FG.

What do I want her do in Maria Cahill case and Paul Quinn case?. I want her to get in contact with her SF colleagues in NI come to consensus that it is about time the party ridded itself of lawlessnes. Give the Quinn family justice on a humnan level the same for Maria Cahill.

The individuals are known in Republican circles and local areas but they are being protected.
SF could move the process forward but people are 'not encouraged' to come forward by SF republicans.

Doing so would be clear signal to the ordinary decent voter in the ROI, that SF are finally really trying. Instead the SF tactic is wait until those voters die off, and people forget?

If SF really wanted to make a real jump in the polls and enter government they would sort such issues out. And make an honest statement under parliamentary privilege in the Dail. Finally removing the mask once and for all. From top to bottom. Not just the low hanging fruit like Paddy Holohan.

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 12:17PM

Are you having a laugh the IRA was no involved in Paul Quinn....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/who-was-paul-quinn-and-why-has-his-murder-become-an-election-issue-1.4162636

Everyone has linked the IRA to him. Even SF came out with some bulls**t excuse that he was a criminal and then done a half assed apology when it blew up in their face. Even MLM told a pile of lies to try cover it up

Maybe, just maybe SF could tell the truth for once.....covering up for the murder and then trying a smear campaign against a young dead person. Standard SF and IRA response

FrancieBrady · 11-05-2020 12:18PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

What do I want her do in Maria Cahill case and Paul Quinn case?. I want her to get in contact with her SF colleagues in NI come to consensus that it is about time the party ridded itself of lawlessnes. Give the Quinn family justice on a humnan level the same for Maria Cahill.

The individuals are known in Republican circles and local areas but they are being protected.

The PSNI know who they are too and the Gardai. They must do to rule out IRA involvement.

SF could move the process forward but people are 'not encouraged' to come forward by SF republicans.

Doing so would be clear signal to the ordinary decent voter in the ROI, that SF are finally really trying. Instead the SF tactic is wait until those voters die off and people forget?

If SF really wanted to make a real jump in the polls and enter government they would sort such issues out. And make an honest statement under parliamentary privilege in the Dail. Finally removing the mask once and for all. From top to bottom. Not just the low hanging fruit like Paddy Holohan.

In the Mairia Cahill case solicitors for the defendants produced letters were members of SF (the 4 other defendants) had advised Cahill to go to the police.

She wouldn't because she didn't trust the police at that time.

Believe it or not (why this is a surprise to anyone who says they know what they are talking about) trust has had to be built in the police from the ground up since the GFA and that is going to take time. SF attending the PSNI event some time back is a sign of the growing confidence in the nationalist community that they finally have a police force they can trust. You cannot fake 'trust'.

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 12:22PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If SF really wanted to make a real jump in the polls and enter government they would sort such issues out. And make an honest statement under parliamentary privilege in the Dail. Finally removing the mask once and for all. From top to bottom. Not just the low hanging fruit like Paddy Holohan.

Question I would have is how in the first place does the likes of Paddy Holohan, Voilet Anne etc get into positions in SF? like what sort of vetting process goes on?

armaghlad · 11-05-2020 12:30PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Are you having a laugh the IRA was no involved in Paul Quinn....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/who-was-paul-quinn-and-why-has-his-murder-become-an-election-issue-1.4162636

Everyone has linked the IRA to him. Even SF came out with some bulls**t excuse that he was a criminal and then done a half assed apology when it blew up in their face. Even MLM told a pile of lies to try cover it up

Maybe, just maybe SF could tell the truth for once.....covering up for the murder and then trying a smear campaign against a young dead person. Standard SF and IRA response

Oh I’m sure you’re really concerned about Paul Quinn’s death

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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