What's your attitude to work? Does it mean the world to you?

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Commute costs would never come into it and are in no way a comparison. So you can adorable and cute patronise all you like (maybe that tactic has worked for you in the past or something) but you’re still clutching for dear life with that one. You, and others, would be saving them an absolute fortune by allowing them to move to a smaller premises.

And maybe saying “oh that’s different” to avoid addressing points that didn’t suit your argument has worked for you before, but it’s not here.

The reality is an employer isn’t going to take on additional costs for something that’s ultimately within your control, and also the fact remains that costs like this are what the money they already pay you is for. So if you ever asked them to pay for your commute, for example, they’d argue that it’s not their fault you didn’t choose to live close enough to walk to work. Same way if you demanded they pay for your broadband and gas/electricity, you’d want to go with certain providers/packages to suffice your personal usage, which proves that you’d need it anyway and negates your claim that it’s a work expense, therefore they are already paying for it via your salary. Otherwise they could treat it as a business transaction and put you on 5mbps ADSL broadband because it’s cheapest and that’s all they calculate you need to do your job, and refuse to pay for more than 1 hour of heat per day in winter as studies have shown you can survive on this with your property’s BER rating. Want more? Tough, you asked for this. But of course you do, so that’s why this line of thinking is a totally unrealistic pipe dream.

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

I am a man with mental illnesses and I hate being around people, I am generally a misanthrope and extremely unsociable man so work will result in my suicide. I would rather die than work long term especially the low tier jobs that I am lumbered with. Most of the people I work with are immigrants which tells you what tier I am at, however I actually prefer working with foreigners than locals, locals have bullied me very badly in some jobs because of my unsociable tenancies and mental illnesses. Well I am sure the immigrants slander me too but at least they do it in another language.

To be honest I probably won't be able to get long term work anyway, I have a decent education but someone straight out of prison can get work easier than a man with mental illnesses, we are at rock bottom of human society.

Easy lad. You are not rock bottom of anything. You're just a bit different. I have no doubt it's tough but you're not the bottom of anything, that kind of thinking will destroy you.

PsychoPete wrote: »

I get to work around one minute to 9 do whatever work I have to do then out the door at 5. I don't care about work or want to know about it after those hours

This seems to be a common theme.

Assuming you get 8hrs sleep at night that means you are awake 16hrs a day.

Assuming you work 8hrs a day, this means you are spending 50% of your waking life switched off and doing something that is completely meaningless to you.

I'd say its time to look for a new job if I were you

I think you misunderstood me there.

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Gotta say that being in IT, it's a field where the interest, innovation, excitement and research has been basically killed by fads, unnecessary complexity and ****ty practices over the last 10-15 years. It's all about following this or that fad now, until the next one comes round the corner, then rinse repeat - be it agile, scrum, "cloud", angular, SSaS - you name it it's there. Every few years you're rehashing the same utter sh1te in a different wrapper and pretty much being asked not to think, just "use this stuff that everyone else uses".

The Sunday Business Post has a lot to answer for...


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beauf wrote: »

Unfortunately I have.

But I do agree that once you start to hate a job so that all you do is clock watching its time to do something else.

However I referring to having a meaningful job. Does it mean the world to you as per the job title. Most people don't have that relationship with their work.

The people you are talking about this thread have effectively given up. I'm not talking about that.

I mean, no man, sorry, you haven’t. All that suggests is lack of imagination or drive rather than mastery. Like in my last job I had pretty much set records wherever I went, been valued by bosses and clients, been offered and turned down constant chances to ‘climb the ladder’ etc. I had every right to think ‘completed it’. But even then I set myself daily challenges to hit (even if it was just stuff like “How can I get this done perfectly with everyone happy but also finish an hour early? Or earlier than yesterday?”), a 6-month plan if the job that I’m in now didn’t come through, and so on. It’s a driven vs defeatist mindset.

Even in my current job there’s ways of actively measuring every single aspect of it, you’re accountable for every second you’re on the clock and it’s all measurable and provable, and I’ll talk to people who are like “I am as good at this job as I’ll ever be.” They’re not, because a quick glance at the stats says they’re not. There’s always aspects, often quite large, where they could improve. Not a single person has ever hit 100% of their metrics across the board every day, it’s not possible. It’s just will and drive on their part, or the inability to be introspective and challenge themselves, that leads them towards that mindset. And when you look at it laid out on paper it ceases to even become a matter of opinion. Now that isn’t to say everyone with that mindset are necessarily ‘bad workers’, it could be for quite human reasons we can all empathise with: they could’ve been poorly managed or the job’s efforts to engage them may not have landed. Or the job just isn’t for them and, like you say, they need to move on. (Note, by the way, that I haven’t brought up job titles, descriptions, salary or anything. This can apply to anything that you do and those variables don’t even need to be motivators, if anything they just get you in the door)

But the responsibility for all of that is with them, not the job. They applied for the job, accepted it and could’ve left at any stage: nobody dragged them off the street and forced them to work then made them sleep in a cell overnight. People are responsible for their own happiness and decisions. So if they say stuff like “People who put effort in when their boss doesn’t care about them are saps and the right way is to give minimum effort”...all I’m hearing is someone happy to give up responsibility and accountability for their own lives, happiness and work ethic and blame it on anything else. And that’s 40 hours of their week, 48 weeks a year, for nearly 50 years of their 80-odd year life. That’s a lot of life to just write off.

leggo wrote: »

I mean, no man, sorry, you haven’t. All that suggests is lack of imagination or drive rather than mastery. Like in my last job I had pretty much set records wherever I went, been valued by bosses and clients, been offered and turned down constant chances to ‘climb the ladder’ etc. I had every right to think ‘completed it’. But even then I set myself daily challenges to hit (even if it was just stuff like “How can I get this done perfectly with everyone happy but also finish an hour early? Or earlier than yesterday?”), a 6-month plan if the job that I’m in now didn’t come through, and so on. It’s a driven vs defeatist mindset.

Daily goals? I'd find that exhausting and a chore. You probably can't see that your personality is different than most people's and think that kind of driven attitude is the norm. It's not.

Which is not to say people who don't try to exceed everyday are doing a bad job. You can go in, do your hours and so a good job.

LLMMLL wrote: »

Daily goals? I'd find that exhausting and a chore. You probably can't see that your personality is different than most people's and think that kind of driven attitude is the norm. It's not.

Which is not to say people who don't try to exceed everyday are doing a bad job. You can go in, do your hours and so a good job.

Yeah that guys post is real management speak.

leggo wrote: »

Yeah but, at the risk of getting existential here, why get out of bed in the morning in that case? Don’t get me wrong, I have days like today which are just days off where I’m just gonna chill in comfortable clothes and not look to do anything more remarkable than finish a few levels of a video game, and we all have some days in work where we’re just getting to the end of the day so the weekend will be here. But if you don’t know why you’re doing something which takes up such a huge chunk of your life or there’s no objective or achievement in it, that to me is just killing time in the only life you’re guaranteed to have.

I’m not trying to lecture or moralise btw. Just because that’s how I live my life doesn’t mean it’s how others should live theirs. I understand it’s different mindsets and I’d be open to being corrected about my perception of that particular mindset if I’m missing something.

I mean..... Are you genuinely asking this? The answer is pretty obvious. People work to have money so they can....... Eat, have a roof over their head, provide for their family.

I don’t look at my job in term of hours. I looks at it in terms of outputs. I do what needs to be done & take pride in my work and my progression. I reached a 6 figure salary by 29 and am proud that I can provide for my children. The 9 to 5ers in my place will never get beyond 40k+. That’s fine, every company needs people of different ambitions/mindsets/skills and people have different priorities in life.

I rarely work more than 40 hours a week and am constantly looking at ways to remove inefficiencies. Same for my team; if they get what needs to be done by the time it’s to be done by they can work whatever hours they like. Anyone taking advantage of this flexibility is quickly moved on.