Is it just me or have SF vanished?

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 01:22PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So what if Shatter is a Jew? Was the reference intended to imply Shatter was going to kill himself, because that is what Goebbels and the nazis did?

Goebbels was a world famous Minister for Propaganda.

If AOS has a track record of Anti Semitic comments, fine, your point stands. But he doesn't, so any jury would find he was making a reference that had nothing to do with religion.

Any jury? Codswallop the days of the SF courts are long gone. But it is clear in the tone of your posts the way your mindset words. Hahaha all fun and games.

McMurphy · 09-05-2020 01:26PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If the GFA has gone over my head it has certainly gone over the head of some 'good republican's' Sean Quinn murder and so on.

You wouldn't be using the death of a young lad to score a cheap point by any chance gorm?

And just for the record, it's Paul Quinn.

If you're going to pretend to care, at least get his name right.

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 01:27PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Any jury? Codswallop the days of the SF courts are long gone. But it is clear in the tone of your posts the way your mindset words. Hahaha all fun and games.

That the best you can come up with? A snide deflection because once again you cannot come up with any proof or evidence bar your own deeply rooted bias and prejudiced.

You have been repeatedly challenged on your views and you have failed repeatedly to back them up.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 01:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Tbh mate....my name gives a fairly clear indicator where im from (are you even irish?)

Like ya....its still referred to as the pale....quite why this bothers you is beyond me

People still refer to all vaccum cleaners as hoovers too,i can get you number of a therapist to help you deal with these revelations if you want

Because it is indicative of how the SF voter plays to the past and lives in the past.
Yet when any past is brought up that they do not like they claim it is ancient history. Sean Quinn and so on.
And you imply AOS was only having a bit of craic with Shatter. Bullshít this is a former editor of An Phoblacht and the chief whip of SF.

If you cannot refer to Dublin as "Dublin no BAC as Gaeilge. There is something wrong with your mindset and it says a lot that you would refer to Dublin as the Pale. To be derogatory and degrading, much in the same manner as AOS was to Shatter.

I am surprised you are a new SF voter with this type of rhetoric and attitude.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
All fun and games playing with words.
But when it comes to murders and cover ups - the playing with words and distancing becomes even more sinister. And saddening.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 01:35PM

McMurphy wrote: »

You wouldn't be using the death of a young lad to score a cheap point by any chance gorm?

And just for the record, it's Paul Quinn.

If you're going to pretend to care, at least get his name right.

Sorry I was thinking of the members of the Sean Quinn group there was a paramiliatry style hidings involved in that story as well

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/a-pig-s-head-burnt-out-vehicles-and-punishment-beating-the-persecution-of-quinn-executives-1.4022850?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fa-pig-s-head-burnt-out-vehicles-and-punishment-beating-the-persecution-of-quinn-executives-1.4022850

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 01:36PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Because it is indicative of how the SF voter plays to the past and lives in the past.
Yet when any past is brought up that they do not like they claim it is ancient history Sean Quinn and so on.
And you imply AOS was only having a bit of craic with Shatter. Bullshít this is a former editor of An Phoblacht and the chief whip of SF.

If you cannot refer to Dublin as "Dublin no BAC as Gaeilge. There is something wrong with your mindset and it says a lot that you would refer to Dublin as the Pale. To be derogatory and degrading, much in the same manner as AOS was to Shatter.

I am surprised you are a new SF voter with this type of rhetoric and attitude.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
All fun and games playing with words.
But when it comes to murders and cover ups - the playing with words and distancing becomes even more sinister. And saddening.

This is typical of anti Shinners. Stoop to any level to find fault.

What other Minister Of Propaganda would you have suggested he used?

Are you not allowed to mention any Nazis in earshot of a Jewish person? What is the protocol here...please answer this.

McMurphy · 09-05-2020 01:47PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Sorry I was thinking of the members of the Sean Quinn group there was a paramiliatry style hidings involved in that story as well

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/a-pig-s-head-burnt-out-vehicles-and-punishment-beating-the-persecution-of-quinn-executives-1.4022850?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fa-pig-s-head-burnt-out-vehicles-and-punishment-beating-the-persecution-of-quinn-executives-1.4022850

Yeah dissident republicans.

Those opposed to Sinn Fein and the peace process, you might recall Enda and Joan plonking one into our Seanad?

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 01:47PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is typical of anti Shinners. Stoop to any level to find fault.

What other Minister Of Propaganda would you have suggested he used?

Are you not allowed to mention any Nazis in earshot of a Jewish person? What is the protocol here...please answer this.

I know you don't believe what you are saying, as any fair minded person knows exactly what AOS was doing. He could have merely said Minister for Propagada. There have been many throughout history under various guises and names.
I can't take you seriously any more because I get the impression you know what AOS was doing. You know he was wrong. But because of the bubble of a world you live in, you approve of it. And may even have found it funny.
You should be ashamed of yourself, to have such a mindset.
Attacking a tradition and a religious tradition at that

Yet when a member of the DUP made a mocking attempt at the Irish language there was uproar and offence in SF. A language SF only use ceremonially in Stormont as a political tool.

This is why SF are hypocrites in my view. But what AOS did with Shatter was funny?

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 01:51PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Yeah dissident republicans.

Those opposed to Sinn Fein and the peace process, you might recall Enda and Joan plonking one into our Seanad?

Dissent republicans who Michelle O'Neill carefully referred to as having no 'Strategy in the Republican Project'

Interesting choice of words to refer to people, who want to murder her.
Again SF playing with words in the Republican bubble.
FrancieBrady has done it on this very thread.

The mind of SF and the SF supporter, is a convoluted messed up one to say the least.
Michelle O'Neill has no problem embracing the PSNI

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0204/1113059-psni-recruitment/

RIC = Tans?
PSNI = Grand?

McMurphy · 09-05-2020 02:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That wasnt dissident,working for FF bankroller sean quinn

I'm going by various media reports.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/09/19/news/dissident-republicans-carried-out-brutal-abduction-of-quinn-industrial-holdings-executive-1716238/

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 02:28PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I know you don't believe what you are saying any fair minded person knows exactly what AOS was doing. He could have merely said minister for Propagada. There have been many throughout history under various guises and names.
I can take you seriously any more because I get the impression you know what AOS was doing. You know he was wrong. But because of the bubble of a world you live in you approve of it. And may even have found it funny.
You should be ashamed of yourself to have such a mindset.
Attacking a tradition and a religious tradition at that

Yet when a member of the DUP made a mocking attempt at the Irish language there was uproar and offence in SF. A language SF only use ceremonially in Stormont as a political tool.

This is why SF are hypocrites in my view. But what AOS did with Shatter was funny?

Many throughout history but you cannot name one?

I never said it was funny. It was a metaphor, they are frequently used in real life.
The Nazis provide quite a few. There is even an internet theory for when the Nazi's are used as a metaphor...'Godwin's'.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 02:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ashamed of myself for referring to country as free state,like most people i know

Catch a hold of yourself....your losing touch with reality brah

You have already implied that calling Alan Shatter Goebells - a Jewish member of DE Goebbels was just a laugh.

If you look up the Sinclair v Gogarty case 1937

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_I_Was_Going_Down_Sackville_Street

You will see that the Jews in Ireland have long being classed as other and defamed.

Which is ironic considering all those Civil Rights marches in NI for religious tolerance. You should be ashamed of that, yet you seem proud of it.

Yet you have already admitted that 'up your way' you refer to 'the Pale' for Dublin. Which is an archaic slur used by Republicans.
You have also said you refer to the 'Free State' which is an outdated term/slur used by republicans.
Does it seem like 'up your way' seems a bit archaic and out of touch and a product of a by gone age?

You seem to like to portray yourself as a 'new' SF voter but you seem immersed in archaic republican views, and use old republican slurs.

And just to sound a bit 'modern' you end with a condescending 'brah'.
Which I doubt you use in normal conversation.
It would not sound great in a Cavan accent for example.

You have opened the door just a little to get a true picture of your mindset.
Which is the point I have making at the very beginning SF voters are peculiar - full of contractions and have a peculiar mindset and archaic manner of speaking. The SF core vote.
Glorifying history when it suits and hiding and deflecting when it does not.

The more intelligent in SF target the under-educated working class in the likes of West Dublin. The playing with words starts.

But the SF strategy is more long term they hope with the long passage of type to fool naive young middle class voters. They start by feminising SF getting rid of the threatening beards.
That is the clear plan.

Thankfully, after the covid19 is over most people in the ROI - will reevaluate the importance of a life-any life. Any it will become more pertinent when the recent history and lawlessness/double talk of SF is properly looked at by some of the - ordinary decent Irish people who were fooled into voting SF. Through ignorance of it's history, duplicity and actions. Then they will look at how the caretaker government preformed during the crisis.

SF will just seem like a bad comedy act in comparison - with thier Republican panto of flags/burials, oh ah up the ra. Odd use of terms Free State/Southern State and so on.

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 03:02PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You have already implied that calling Alan Shatter Goebells - a Jewish member of DE Goebbels was just a laugh.

If you look up the Sinclair v Gogarty case 1937

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_I_Was_Going_Down_Sackville_Street

You will see that the Jews in Ireland have long being classed as other and defamed.

Which is ironic considering all those Civil Rights marches in NI for religious tolerance. You should be ashamed of that, yet you seem proud of it.

Yet you have already admitted that 'up your way' you refer to 'the Pale' for Dublin. Which is an archaic slur used by Republicans.
You have also said you refer to the 'Free State' which is an outdated term/slur used by republicans.
Does it seem like 'up your way' seems a bit archaic and out of touch and a product of a by gone age?

You seem to like to portray yourself as a 'new' SF voter but you seem immersed in archaic republican views, and use old republican slurs.

And just to sound a bit 'modern' you end with a condescending 'brah'.
Which I doubt you use in normal conversation.
It would not sound great in a Cavan accent for example.

You have opened the door just a little to get a true picture of your mindset.
Which is the point I have making at the very beginning SF voters are peculiar - full of contractions and have a peculiar mindset and archaic manner of speaking. The SF core vote.
Glorifying history when it suits and hiding and deflecting when it does not.

The more intelligent in SF target the under-educated working class in the likes of West Dublin. The playing with words starts, but the SF strategy is more long term they hope with the long passage of type to fool naive young middle class voters. They start by feminising SF getting rid of the threatening beards.
That is the clear plan.

Thankfully, after the covid19 is over most people in the ROI - will reevaluate the importance of a life any life. Any it will become more pertinent when the recent history and lawlessness/double talk of SF is properly looked at by some of the - ordinary decent Irish people who were fooled into voting SF. Through ignorance of it's history, duplicity and actions. Then they will look at how the caretaker government preformed during the crisis.

SF will just seem like a bad comedy act in comparison - with thier Republican panto of flags/burials, oh ah up the ra. Odd use of terms Free State/Southern State and so on.

Even a female leader appealing to female voters is 'sinister'.

There's a lot of bogeymen and women under your bed GDG

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 03:08PM

The only way I could see SF getting into government is if Mary Lou died of Covid19 or the less lethal virus she got subsequently. As Republicanism loves a martyr. But they never had a middle class woman martyr from Rathgar yet.
As we all know no organisation loves a martyr more than republicanism.
They could have the tricolour on the coffin - the gun salute and so on.

The more I think of it I think SF missed a trick they could have told Mary Lou to take one for the team.
Polls rise and so on.

O'Cuiv Taoiseach after the public sympathy?

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 03:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Even a female leader appealing to female voters is 'sinister'.

There's a lot of bogeymen and women under your bed GDG

I think the heat is getting to you 'brah'. I never mentioned the word sinister you did. I merely mentioned SF long term planning. It is very apparent.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 03:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Many throughout history but you cannot name one?

I never said it was funny. It was a metaphor, they are frequently used in real life.
The Nazis provide quite a few. There is even an internet theory for when the Nazi's are used as a metaphor...'Godwin's'.

Knock yourself out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_propaganda

Plenty for you there.

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 03:12PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think the heat is getting to you 'brah'. I never mentioned the word sinister you did. I merely mentioned SF long term planning. It is very apparent.

You implied it was a plan designed to fool the electorate.
That is a 'sinister' plan by anybody's book.

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 03:14PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Knock yourself out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_propaganda

Plenty for you there.

I think the fact you had to go to google says it all.

If you knew of another one you would have typed a few examples.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 03:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You implied it was a plan designed to fool the electorate.
That is a 'sinister' plan by anybody's book.

It is not sinister it is just re-branding and politics.
Similar to re-branding the RIC as the PSNI and so on.
Making things more palatable for the more discerning voter

Shefwedfan · 09-05-2020 03:16PM

When I moved to Enniskillen years ago in the 90s was the first time I ever heard the phrase “free state”

When I moved out from Northern Ireland I have heard it because my mate uses it as he is from Armagh....he laughs when people still ask “where?” When he says it

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 03:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think the fact you had to go to google says it all.

If you knew of another one you would have typed a few examples.

Come on I was not going to typing them all out!
The fact you criticise me for not having the info - then twisting it as a negative when the basics were provided. Says more about you than me.

Most are all playing with names as you are prone to do Pale/Free State.
But if I mentioned Minsiter for Communications - you would claim it was not propaganda.
You should be on stage. I think you are a gas character. I will have to pay a visit 'up your way' (after covid19) because you must be some story teller. A great man to listen to in the pub?

all about the mane · 09-05-2020 03:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Even a female leader appealing to female voters is 'sinister'.

There's a lot of bogeymen and women under your bed GDG

Yeah, really sinister... :rolleyes:

Serious knicker twist Francie

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 03:25PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When I moved to Enniskillen years ago in the 90s was the first time I ever heard the phrase “free state”

When I moved out from Northern Ireland I have heard it because my mate uses it as he is from Armagh....he laughs when people still ask “where?” When he says it

When I heard it mentioned (as a young fella) in the news when they used to be on about South Africa. I used to assume that is where they were on about 'up that way'.

McMurphy · 09-05-2020 03:32PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When I moved to Enniskillen years ago in the 90s was the first time I ever heard the phrase “free state”

When I moved out from Northern Ireland I have heard it because my mate uses it as he is from Armagh....he laughs when people still ask “where?” When he says it

Was that before or after PBPs stint in govt?:D

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 03:47PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Come on I was not going to typing them all out!
The fact you criticise me for not having the info - then twisting it as a negative when the basics were provided. Says more about you than me.

Most are all playing with names as you are prone to do Pale/Free State.
But if I mentioned Minsiter for Communications - you would claim it was not propaganda.
You should be on stage. I think you are a gas character. I will have to pay a visit 'up your way' (after covid19) because you must be some story teller. A great man to listen to in the pub?

I neither mentioned 'pale' or 'free state'.

When you use a metaphor you typically use one easily recognized. AOS was specific that he was referring to Goebbels as a Minister.

If there is a ban or protocol in mentioning Nazis around Jewish people pleaee tell us what it is.

Shefwedfan · 09-05-2020 04:56PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Was that before or after PBPs stint in govt?:D

Finished the popcorn yet :rolleyes:

Edgware · 09-05-2020 06:23PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When I moved to Enniskillen years ago in the 90s was the first time I ever heard the phrase “free state”

When I moved out from Northern Ireland I have heard it because my mate uses it as he is from Armagh....he laughs when people still ask “where?” When he says it

Ah he's a gas man.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 07:57PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I neither mentioned 'pale' or 'free state'.

When you use a metaphor you typically use one easily recognized. AOS was specific that he was referring to Goebbels as a Minister.

If there is a ban or protocol in mentioning Nazis around Jewish people pleaee tell us what it is.

Apologies that was your fellow comrádaí in guff. But that other SF poster made my point for me on the types that are attracted to SF stuck in the old rethoic and basically wanting to be part of a gang - sorry I mean 'party'

Deleted User wrote: »

Tbf everyone out my way calls it the free state aswell....seems to be midlands/pale thing to be triggered by that

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If there is a ban or protocol in mentioning Nazis around Jewish people pleaee tell us what it is.

Does the latter half of your post really have to be elaborated on or are you feigning being unintelligent? Or is it just a SF deflection, obfuscation tactic when they are backed into a corner?
How many Jewish people would you call Goebbels? What impact do you think it would have on them and so on?
Or is human decency not a prerequisite to be a SF TD in the Dail, and a supporter of said party?

Edgware · 09-05-2020 08:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tbh mate i havnt a clue what your drooling about now....but going about calling people stupid suggests your pint has no real substance behind it anyway

"stupid"

"your pint"!!

mmmm!

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 08:09PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Apologies that your fellow comrádaí in guff. But that other SF poster made my point for me on the types that are attracted to SF stuck in the old rethoic and basically wanting to be part of a gang - sorry I mean 'party'

So completely out of any more unbacked up rubbish to post you resort to the old 'we are all part of a plot' against posters like yourself. Very good. :rolleyes:

Does the latter half of your post really have to be elaborated on or are you feigning being unintelligent? Or is it just a SF deflection, obfuscation tactic when they are backed into a corner?
How many Jewish people would you call Goebbels? What impact do you think it would have on them and so on?
Or is human decency not a prerequisite to be a SF TD in the Dail, and a supporter of said party?

I think being called a 'Minister of Propaganda' would be very insulting whatever religion you are.

I think it was rude and not a very well made point...anti-Semitic...absolutely not.
And if it was, does it mean SF are anti-Semitic?...I just get a little whoosy at the breathtaking leap that would be to make.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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