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Digital ID's for everyone

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  • #422
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    I doubt you even read it.

    Taken from the article.
    Says The work was funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and came about because of a direct request from Microsoft founder and philanthropist Bill Gates himself,
    Yes I did.
    The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is not Bill Gates.
    I understand however that you guys aren't too big on accuracy.


  • #423
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yes I did.
    The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is not Bill Gates.
    I understand however that you guys aren't too big on accuracy.

    Bill gates is mentioned in the article i posted.
    Bill and Melinda gates foundation has nothing to do with Bill Gates:confused:
    I let the poster deal with your crazy antics, too late for it me to bothered.

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  • #424
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Bill gates is mentioned in the article i posted.
    Bill and Melinda gates foundation has nothing to do with Bill Gates:confused:
    And now with the misrepresentation again...
    That's not what I said.

    And yes, Bill Gates was mentioned, but it does not say that Bill Gates funded anything.
    Saying that Bill Gates funded this project is at best a distortion, at worst, a lie.


  • #425
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    And now with the misrepresentation again...
    That's not what I said.

    And yes, Bill Gates was mentioned, but it does not say that Bill Gates funded anything.
    Saying that Bill Gates funded this project is at best a distortion, at worst, a lie.

    Your world, that's the case. I think it clear from the article Bill Gates was the one who funded it and pushed for it. Who released the funds was it Roger Rabbit?

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  • #426
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Your world, that's the case. I think it clear from the article Bill Gates was the one who funded it and pushed for it. Who released the funds was it Roger Rabbit?
    Why does the article make the distinction between Bill Gates and his and his wife's foundation?


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  • #427
    princereingold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 ✭princereingold


    any updates on Bill gates outstanding success at death and sterilization in africa and india by way of vaccine testing??


  • #428
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Why does the article make the distinction between Bill Gates and his and his wife's foundation?

    You know what direct request means do you?
    He used the foundation funds to sponsor this study.
    The foundation named for him and his wife and you think he not involved:confused:


  • #429
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    You know what direct request means do you?
    He used the foundation funds to sponsor this study.
    You've dodged the question. As per usual.
    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    The foundation named for him and his wife and you think he not involved:confused:
    Lol. Another misrepresentation. As per usual.


  • #430
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    You've dodged the question. As per usual.


    Lol. Another misrepresentation. As per usual.

    I let you debate the other poster he's entertaining your nonsense this time :eek:


  • #431
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    I let you debate the other poster he's entertaining your nonsense this time :eek:
    If you say so.
    You're the one dodging questions and misrepresenting people though.
    If it upsets you when people point this out to you, maybe don't do it.


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  • #432
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    If you say so.
    You're the one dodging questions and misrepresenting people though.
    If it upsets you when people point this out to you, maybe don't do it.

    You're trying to claim Bill funded nothing. Totally ignoring the funds came from his foundation. Directed by request for that to happen.

    Info three people control and Bill one of them.
    The foundation is controlled by its three trustees: Bill and Melinda Gates, and Warren Buffett. Other principal officers include Co-Chair William H. Gates, Sr. and Chief Executive Officer Mark Suzman.[5]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation


  • #433
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    You're trying to claim Bill funded nothing.
    That's a misrepresentation.
    Again.


  • #434
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    He explained for two weeks and you still asking him what is all about?

    Gates funded a Vaccine digital marker tattoo study. Which means he liked the idea!
    Microsoft ( is Gates company) he's one founder of the company and they've signed up to vaccine ID implementation.
    Gates is involved in both, then he's not just focused on one way to ID people.

    And what's the conspiracy?

    Explain it. Bill Gates is doing what exactly, to whom, for what reasons and when is this happening..

    Bill Gates wanting poor people (or eventually all people) to have access some sort of universal ID is not some conspiracy, it's the primary purpose of that project.


  • #435
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    And what's the conspiracy?
    Explain it. Bill Gates is doing what exactly, to whom, for what reasons and when is this happening..
    You've sorta/kinda, explained it yourself as below:
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Bill Gates wanting poor people (or eventually all people) to have access some sort of universal [DIGITAL] ID is not some conspiracy, it's the primary purpose of that project.
    It is a conspiracy (Digital ID's for everyone) on many levels, as explained in the post #397 https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/show...&postcount=397

    (Again) Mainly:

    i) that the majority of people aren't aware of its existance, it's scope, ambitions and reach.
    ii) that the majority of people (of the few who are actually aware of the program) simply don't understand it (as proven here), it's workings, functionality i.e. 'it's form' or it's most likely, final realisation.
    iii) that the majority of people haven't even considered it's implications, it is being pushed as only 'good' thing, only. There has been zero debate as to if it's value or end results is only 'good thing'.

    Now the actual matter of Bill Gates (aka the Bill&MGatesFoundation here) is an 'additive' CT matter, mostly in realation to CT point (ii) above.

    Bill has funded a wide range of unique technologies, many of which focus on creating 'part of the form', of any mass digital identification tool, for id2020.org at point of vaccine. Also within that are various other issues, his relentless push for the 'entire planet' to get the vaccine (ignoring herd immunity and so on). His reach, wealth, influence and power means that he could easily get behind one of the vaccines he directly funds, as push for his backed vaccine to be the only one to use, globally. It goes on, he has a (mixed) track record for combining technology embodiments and vaccines together as one.


  • #436
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    You've sorta/kinda, explained it yourself as below:

    No I didn't.

    Most of us still live in a world of largely paper identification, a sizeable chunk have no proper identification at all. It only makes sense that in a digital world, we are going to move to digital identification, it's inevitable. If that's going to be done, it has to be done right, proper standards, etc. There's at least one project aiming to tackle that issue.


    Conspiracy version: that's all part of some nefarious conspiracy by "Bill Gates" and "insert powers-that-be", predicted by the bible, to insert/mark/tattoo/inject some sort of "hidden agenda" digital thing in/on the population in order to control/track us for unspecified reasons

    If yes, that's the conspiracy

    If no, explain the conspiracy in one sentence (without diversion tactics/waffle)


  • #437
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    No I didn't.

    Most of us still live in a world of largely paper identification, a sizeable chunk have no proper identification at all. It only makes sense that in a digital world, we are going to move to digital identification, it's inevitable. If that's going to be done, it has to be done right, proper standards, etc. There's at least one project aiming to tackle that issue.


    Conspiracy version: that's all part of some nefarious conspiracy by "Bill Gates" and "insert powers-that-be", predicted by the bible, to insert/mark/tattoo/inject some sort of "hidden agenda" digital thing in/on the population in order to control/track us for unspecified reasons

    If yes, that's the conspiracy

    If no, explain the conspiracy in one sentence (without diversion tactics/waffle)

    I would love a digital passport/driving licence, never a need to renew and never lost.


  • #438
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I would love a digital passport/driving licence, never a need to renew and never lost.
    Says the chap that weeks ago also said he would refuse to activate bluetooth on his phone, for fear of tracking or privacy issues. And would also refuse to even download such an App (they're currently pushing for 50%min uptake).

    Thus, can't see a likely candidate for e.g. Quantum Dot Tattoos here.

    Further more, also claimed to be on a park bench for 2hrs reading a book, at the time, was in contradiction to his own state's recommendations (so actually lucky such a digital identifier wasn't active).

    But in fairness, ok, yes there are some conveniences to a universal DigitalID concept (mass redundancy of human resources would be result too).

    One of the questions part (iii) on the previous page, was that this has only been presented as a good force, a force for good only. Zero mention of any negative aspects or consequences.


  • #439
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    No I didn't...
    It only makes sense that in a digital world, we are going to move to digital identification, it's inevitable. If that's going to be done, it has to be done right, proper standards, etc. There's at least one project aiming to tackle that issue.
    Maybe it's inevitable, maybe not. But...

    As to the 'form' it will take only the 'creators' will have the ability to say.

    As it's pushed out (1.1bn in first phase, more later), it won't be compulsary, but may become defacto-mandatory, by way of convience.
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    [your] Conspiracy version: that's all part of some nefarious conspiracy by "Bill Gates" and "insert powers-that-be", predicted by the bible, to insert/mark/tattoo/inject some sort of "hidden agenda" digital thing in/on the population in order to control/track us for unspecified reasons
    That's your own particular theory/view, no one else. All a bit fanciful waffle mixed with untruths and misdirection.
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    If no, explain the conspiracy in one sentence (without diversion tactics/waffle)
    Read the last page, am not going to direct you to the same reference post x3 times in one day, if you refuse to read it the 1st two times.

    Also BillGates is simply an additive factor to, an accelerant and facilitator.


  • #440
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Maybe it's inevitable, maybe not.

    It's inevitable. E.g. you'll be struggling to find many places in modern countries that accept physical cash in 10 years, or maybe less. Likewise digital identification will eventually become the norm (it's already the norm in several countries). Terrifying I know.
    As to the 'form' it will take only the 'creators' will have the ability to say.

    And regulators, officials, governments, etc. For something like global digital ID, international consensus will be painstakingly slow if at all, e.g. the Chinese would be very unlikely to agree to all international norms due to their controlling/totalitarian stake in everything
    As it's pushed out (1.1bn in first phase, more later), it won't be compulsary, but may become defacto-mandatory, by way of convience.

    If you want to travel, it's compulsory to have a passport. If you want to open a bank account now, KYC is mandatory. If you want to drive a car, a driving license is mandatory.

    You need to stop scare-mongering yourself about mandatory things in life. And no, "they" won't be lashing you to a table forcing you to get a mandatory digital tattoo/vaccine/chip/RFID/whatever (which is really what this is all psychologically about)
    Read the last page, am not going to direct you to the same reference post x3 times in one day, if you refuse to read it the 1st two times.

    Yes you are. You are repeatedly referring me to a complete sidestep every time I ask the question. I know this, you know this. This is either because

    1. You can't answer it, you don't have a coherent conspiracy.

    2. Worse, you do have a theory, but even you know that laid bare it is completely idiotic and are smart enough not to give it daylight

    Which is why we get all this Alex Jones deflection stuff. This isn't my first rodeo with this stuff, always the same.


  • #441
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Says the chap that weeks ago also said he would refuse to activate bluetooth on his phone, for fear of tracking or privacy issues. And would also refuse to even download such an App (they're currently pushing for 50%min uptake).


    Wrong, I said the option is there if I didn't want to.
    Thus, can't see a likely candidate for e.g. Quantum Dot Tattoos here.

    Further more, also claimed to be on a park bench for 2hrs reading a book, at the time, was in contradiction to his own state's recommendations (so actually lucky such a digital identifier wasn't active).

    If I did have this tattoo on my arm, wrist, wherever ... how hard would it be to cover?
    But in fairness, ok, yes there are some conveniences to a universal DigitalID concept (mass redundancy of human resources would be result too).

    One of the questions part (iii) on the previous page, was that this has only been presented as a good force, a force for good only. Zero mention of any negative aspects or consequences.

    You choose to only see negatives, you believe it will be used for nefarious purposes, I'm not that paranoid.


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  • #442
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Maybe it's inevitable, maybe not. But...

    As to the 'form' it will take only the 'creators' will have the ability to say.

    As it's pushed out (1.1bn in first phase, more later), it won't be compulsary, but may become defacto-mandatory, by way of convience.


    That's your own particular theory/view, no one else. All a bit fanciful waffle mixed with untruths and misdirection.


    Read the last page, am not going to direct you to the same reference post x3 times in one day, if you refuse to read it the 1st two times.

    Also BillGates is simply an additive factor to, an accelerant and facilitator.

    As is your own paranoia, you choose to make up nefarious reasons why this will be bad and refuse to see how this could be a good thing.


  • #443
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's inevitable. E.g. you'll be struggling to find many places in modern countries that accept physical cash in 10 years, or maybe less. Likewise digital identification will eventually become the norm (it's already the norm in several countries). Terrifying I know.
    All depends on timeframes, needless to to say, COVID has added a rush factor to this (cash as one example). However in (more) modern Japan they only have 20% cashless, and will often use paper/documentation as a preference for official use.

    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    And regulators, officials, governments, etc. For something like global digital ID, international consensus will be painstakingly slow if at all, e.g. the Chinese..
    The Chinese are a law unto themselves.

    State uptake has already begun Bangladesh, Kenya, Far East and smaller sub-regions (Texas) all have trials and early implimentation. They don't get to poke about with source code, only told of the project benefits and where to sign.


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    If you want to travel, it's compulsory to have a passport. If you want to open a bank account now, KYC is mandatory. If you want to drive a car, a driving license is mandatory.
    This is true, but you can't use your passport to drive a car, eh?



    With Universal or (almost) global DigitalID, you can do almost anything, anywhere. A bit like a single-source multi-use password-manager. Now consider what happens should something goes wrong...


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You need to stop scare-mongering yourself about mandatory things in life. And no, "they" won't be lashing you to a table forcing you to get a mandatory digital tattoo/vaccine/chip/RFID/whatever (which is really what this is all psychologically about)


    Again there is no chip/chipping (common misdirection tool) used at any point.
    Again a simple suggestive push-towards isn't a 'force' (as you were told before), also you fail to understand the difference between 'manditory and/or (different) compulsary' (roll of eyes).



    As, or if it is (somewhat) inevitable, in time.

    There should be debate and consideration.
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Yes you are.
    Read the last page, and the page before that.
    You're just afraid to accept something that makes sense.
    And are trying to re-phrase it to your own interpretation.



    Hence the purposeful misdirection, exageration and deflection (so lazy).

    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Which is why we get all this Alex Jones deflection stuff e.g.
    This isn't my first rodeo with this stuff, always the same.
    Rodeo, wtf. ...and Alex Jones (also) wtf, lol.

    Is that all you have for usual misdirection and irrelevance?


    Looks like, after your what decades? - of pushback against all/any theory you don't like. You've been served cognitive defeat, served on a plate.


    And so... need to vomit up ufo/alexjones/chips/flatearth tripe, as a lazy default crutch to discredit anyone you disagree with.

    Fun, fun, funny times!


  • #444
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Wrong, I said the option is there if I didn't want to.
    Eh, that implies, and you directly implied you wanted the bluetooth (traking) turned off, as you sat there 2hrs against state advice. Hardly a good role model now.

    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    If I did have this tattoo on my arm, wrist, wherever ... how hard would it be to cover?
    The QDT is one single delivery option (perhaps the most likely). The project assumes global rollout, so would be expected 'by default' to have it. Covering it is easy. Making it un-scanable by a simple handheld iRed scanner, that will upload a 16kb data file to the Azure cloud, and return various identifers on return, ...not so much.

    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You choose to only see negatives, you believe it will be used for nefarious purposes, I'm not that paranoid.
    Incorrect. I clearly stated it has many good factors (it really does) some are great, and these would all be listed, in the sales pitch. The negative factors, they would not be discussed (much like here).


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    As is your own paranoia, you choose to make up nefarious reasons why this will be bad and refuse to see how this could be a good thing.
    Please get a better word than this lazy 'nefarious' jargon. It's incorrect in this case, and very much overused by yourself for dramatic effect.



    Considering two sides to a story is a sign of intelligence.

    And (again) I have said there are many positve aspects, so you can quit this 'nefarious' lol, path of suggestion also as it's clearly a falsehood.


    A balanced (two sided) consideration should be the sensible approach to debating this issue of 'Digital IDs for everyone', nothing wrong with that.


  • #445
    the_syco
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    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Bill Gates referring to digital ID microchipping on an AMA in Reddit


    Screen-Shot-2020-03-19-at-17-08-55.png
    Are you referring to a digital certificate as opposed to a piece of paper with an easily copied signature? That sounds like a great idea!


  • #446
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

    That's your own particular theory/view, no one else. All a bit fanciful waffle mixed with untruths and misdirection.


    Read the last page, am not going to direct you to the same reference post x3 times in one day, if you refuse to read it the 1st two times.
    But you've been asked many many times to clarify your position on biblical prophesy.
    Your previous posts seem to show that you believe in it and it's the basis for your conspiracy theory.
    You have used sources such as Saved Magazine which among other silly conspiracy theories also subscribes to the notion of the biblical prophesy.

    If this isn't the case, all you have to do is to clearly state that you don't believe in the idea that these digital Ids are the mark of the beast predicted in the bible.

    But as Dohnjoe points out, we suspect there is a reason that you aren't going to do this.
    As such, unless you directly address it and state otherwise, we will continue with the conclusion that you believe in the biblical prophesy and that it's the basis for your conspiracy theory.


  • #447
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Eh, that implies, and you directly implied you wanted the bluetooth (traking) turned off, as you sat there 2hrs against state advice. Hardly a good role model now.

    I never implied I wanted it turned off, I said I could turn it off if I wished, the same as I could just leave my phone at home.


    The QDT is one single delivery option (perhaps the most likely). The project assumes global rollout, so would be expected 'by default' to have it. Covering it is easy. Making it un-scanable by a simple handheld iRed scanner, that will upload a 16kb data file to the Azure cloud, and return various identifers on return, ...not so much.


    This implies that people would the randomly stopped and asked to show their ID scan, you are going down the rabbit hole now.

    Incorrect. I clearly stated it has many good factors (it really does) some are great, and these would all be listed, in the sales pitch. The negative factors, they would not be discussed (much like here).


    The made up ones you mean?



    Please get a better word than this lazy 'nefarious' jargon. It's incorrect in this case, and very much overused by yourself for dramatic effect.

    My use is perfectly fine in this instance.


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/nefarious
    Considering two sides to a story is a sign of intelligence.

    And (again) I have said there are many positve aspects, so you can quit this 'nefarious' lol, path of suggestion also as it's clearly a falsehood.

    Yet you choose to imply that it would be used by (????) For nefarious reasons.

    A balanced (two sided) consideration should be the sensible approach to debating this issue of 'Digital IDs for everyone', nothing wrong with that.

    I agree there is nothing wrong with that.


  • #448
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    With Universal or (almost) global DigitalID, you can do almost anything, anywhere. A bit like a single-source multi-use password-manager. Now consider what happens should something goes wrong...

    You can use your passport as valid ID to open a bank account, to rent an apartment, ID for starting certain employment or education, ordering a sim card, booking travel tickets, etc

    A digital form of that is apparently terrifying to you

    Because you believe that certain potential digital ID is literally the work of the devil, I don't mean that figuratively, you believe it's the work of the actual devil, Satan, from the bible..


  • #449
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You can use your passport as valid ID to open a bank account, to rent an apartment, ID for starting certain employment or education, ordering a sim card, booking travel tickets, etc

    A digital form of that is apparently terrifying to you

    Because you believe that certain potential digital ID is literally the work of the devil, I don't mean that figuratively, you believe it's the work of the actual devil, Satan, from the bible..

    I think part of it might be the Global aspect of it as a "one world government" is also a common feature in biblical based conspiracy theories.


  • #450
    Dohnjoe
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    King Mob wrote: »
    I think part of it might be the Global aspect of it as a "one world government" is also a common feature in biblical based conspiracy theories.

    Indeed.

    It's underpinned by a belief that the "powers-that-be" are ceaselessly obsessed with "branding" human beings like cattle, whether it be with vaccines (the anti-vax lot are big into this) or digital (RFID's, microchips, digital tattoo's, etc)

    Philanthropists like Bill Gates have unwittingly become their "devil in disguise", most of that was kicked off by anti-vaxxers who are mental over his work with vaccines and his efforts in getting them to the poorer parts of the world. As such, the wider audience of loons latch onto anything the Gates foundation has anything to do with, extrapolating all sorts of evil narratives behind innocuous helpful technology, medicine or other

    It's moonbat stuff of the highest order. We're just getting an attempted polished turd version of it here, with all the religious mumbo-jumbo and other assorted woo carefully edited it out to make it look "more legit".


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  • #451
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Philanthropists like Bill Gates have unwittingly become their "devil in disguise", most of that was kicked off by anti-vaxxers who are mental over his work with vaccines and his efforts in getting them to the poorer parts of the world.
    I actually ran into the claim that he wants to depopulate Africa irl the other week.

    This stuff has a way of sticking for some people when it isn't lumped together with the religious claims.


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