General sheep thread

wrangler · 27-04-2020 06:00PM

Young95 wrote: »

Lads have a ewe lamb here that put out her lambing bed round 6 days ago and follow day had a very hard lambing. I’ve been giving her 5 ml of synolux for last 6 days since the time she put her bed out . I’ve still the hardness on her but took it off for few hours today and came back to her trying to force her bed out again. So put harness back on . Anything else I can do ? Or just stay injecting her and hope for the best ? Would stichen her be a better job ? Thanks for any reply’s .

Would she have another lamb in her, the harness should work, if she's comfortable with it leave it on. it does help to stop them forcing.
I've seen ewes burst out stitches too.
We always inject them with something for pain and inflamation after a hard lambing, she's probably very sore inside, it'd help her a lot. It really helps them also stops them from lying on their lambs

farawaygrass · 27-04-2020 10:11PM

It’s a pity clikzin isn’t more reasonably priced. If lambs are done 1st may then it only covers until 1st July, and any remaining ones would want another application of it. Clik then has too long of a withdrawal period for doing lambs around now. There’s barely any difference in the price between both like

Tileman · 27-04-2020 10:18PM

farawaygrass wrote: »

It’s a pity clikzin isn’t more reasonably priced. If lambs are done 1st may then it only covers until 1st July, and any remaining ones would want another application of it. Clik then has too long of a withdrawal period for doing lambs around now. There’s barely any difference in the price between both like

Have a tams application gone in for a shed and put in for a dipping tank also. You can’t beat the dipping . Much handier in the long run in my view

serfspup · 27-04-2020 10:19PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

yeah clik is the only job , messed around with cheaper versions there a disaster. clickzin for 7 day meat withdrawl for spring lambs , click the ewes after shearing.

clik has a 16week prevention so assuming shearing second week of may putting clik on 'off shears' it will have worn off well before September which is one of the worst months for fly strike on ewes.

ewes wont get fly strike for a good month or more after shearing so don't waste ur time doing them until then.

people getting very excited about shearing ….it is only 27 of april
the same geniuses that were roaring to get sheep shorn early last year are now complaining about ewes on their backs.
HINT leave shearing as long as possible .

orm0nd · 28-04-2020 06:20AM

wrangler wrote: »

Would she have another lamb in her, the harness should work, if she's comfortable with it leave it on. it does help to stop them forcing.
I've seen ewes burst out stitches too.
We always inject them with something for pain and inflamation after a hard lambing, she's probably very sore inside, it'd help her a lot. It really helps them also stops them from lying on their lambs

We had 1 similar and had to put a spoon in her as well as the harmless left the spoon for 10 days and the harness for another few days.

We don't normally cull for prolapse but she got a red tag.

orm0nd · 28-04-2020 11:11AM

farawaygrass wrote: »

It’s a pity clikzin isn’t more reasonably priced. If lambs are done 1st may then it only covers until 1st July, and any remaining ones would want another application of it. Clik then has too long of a withdrawal period for doing lambs around now. There’s barely any difference in the price between both like

5 ltr clik extra €259 from animal farmacy, anybody any better price?

Dickie10 · 28-04-2020 12:58PM

oh yeah i mean a month at least after shearing when there a enough wool ob them to grip. i usually shear around first week in June and put click on them around late July when im letting them off to flush them on good grass. i didnt either click or dip ewes last year and was some hardship getting ewes in with big nests of maggots up there back and round their sides well into October. 16 weeks click will do so you wouldnt want to be doing them any earlier than mid july , because we seem to get maggots up to mid october now.

FarmerDougal · 28-04-2020 02:13PM

If done mid June they would be covered till mid October

Kevhog1988 · 28-04-2020 02:19PM

how much clik is needed per ewe?

Green farmer · 28-04-2020 02:22PM

FarmerDougal wrote: »

If done mid June they would be covered till mid October

Their selling clik extra for the same price as ordinary clik now. Does 19 weeks.

Siamsa Sessions · 28-04-2020 03:09PM

A big unknown for maggots is the weather and related climate/environment conditions - or whatever it is affects fly lifecycles, breeding, numbers of them, etc.

We had several cases last year, even into October, despite the ewes being dipped in July. Never got around to dipping them in 2018 (year of the drought) and as far as I remember, we only had 2 lambs with minor cases that whole year.

I'm not saying don't treat them. We'll be dipping them in July again this year. But equally, treating them in June vs treating them in August is not the be-all and end-all either, given how different years are good and bad for maggots.

kk.man · 28-04-2020 03:52PM

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

A big unknown for maggots is the weather and related climate/environment conditions - or whatever it is affects fly lifecycles, breeding, numbers of them, etc.

We had several cases last year, even into October, despite the ewes being dipped in July. Never got around to dipping them in 2018 (year of the drought) and as far as I remember, we only had 2 lambs with minor cases that whole year.

I'm not saying don't treat them. We'll be dipping them in July again this year. But equally, treating them in June vs treating them in August is not the be-all and end-all either, given how different years are good and bad for maggots.

It's the rain that drives the maggots and sometimes heavy dew. When rain and dew occur after a hot spell that's when they strike hard. High ditches also don't help.

Siamsa Sessions · 28-04-2020 04:03PM

kk.man wrote: »

It's the rain that drives the maggots and sometimes heavy dew. When rain and dew occur after a hot spell that's when they strike hard. High ditches also don't help.

Seems like flys/maggots thrive in moist humid weather so. That's interesting about the high ditches too - another reason to get proper fencing done here and keep sheep away from the ditches.

farawaygrass · 28-04-2020 08:49PM

orm0nd wrote: »

5 ltr clik extra €259 from animal farmacy, anybody any better price?

Good man yourself, you saved me a tenner or so. I only priced around last night but didn’t come across that site.
On a different note I want to order a dose for lambs. Looking at endospec. There is 2.5 and 10%. Both have the same dosage rate, 5 ml per kg. What’s the difference?

DJ98 · 28-04-2020 09:03PM

DJ98 wrote: »

https://www.gibsonsonline.ie/product/philips-20ml-automatic-drencher

https://www.agridirect.ie/product/nj-philips-20ml-auto-drencher?gclid=CjwKCAjw1v_0BRAkEiwALFkj5jy4jTcFrJ1LO9n595SN_qGwyH2pasoCs5zw9d3_5e8e5-JINBmlrhoCP1YQAvD_BwE

Was looking for a new dosing gun and decided to give a look around online, seems ro be a considerable piece difference for the same type of gun or is there a difference between the 2 that im missing?

Purchased the dosing gun from Gibsons after along with a few other bits, ordered yesterday morning and delivered early today, excellent service and great value.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-04-2020 07:38AM

farawaygrass wrote: »

Good man yourself, you saved me a tenner or so. I only priced around last night but didn’t come across that site.
On a different note I want to order a dose for lambs. Looking at endospec. There is 2.5 and 10%. Both have the same dosage rate, 5 ml per kg. What’s the difference?

The 10% is for cattle, the 2.5% is for sheep.

farawaygrass · 29-04-2020 09:07AM

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

The 10% is for cattle, the 2.5% is for sheep.

It says sheep there on the label though

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-04-2020 10:13AM

farawaygrass wrote: »

It says sheep there on the label though

Yeah, but look at the dose rate. 2.5mls/50kgs. So a 30kg lamb would be getting only 1.5mls.

That's a very small volume of a dose, even dosing a 50kg lamb, so the risk of over dosing and being caught with residues in the carcass is high.

And then the equal risk of underdosing and encouaging resistance to the dose.

It's the exact same product but the 2.5% is meant to be used for sheep for those reasons. I'm a bit surprised they have done the regulatory paperwork to get approval for sheep in the 10%, tbh.

Green farmer · 29-04-2020 10:30AM

Either way, great product for sheep. The short withdrawal makes it ideal. Nothing worse with something 30 or 40 day waiting period. They took the good out of duotech with the extended withdrawal

wrangler · 29-04-2020 11:05AM

farawaygrass wrote: »

Good man yourself, you saved me a tenner or so. I only priced around last night but didn’t come across that site.
On a different note I want to order a dose for lambs. Looking at endospec. There is 2.5 and 10%. Both have the same dosage rate, 5 ml per kg. What’s the difference?

You must be reading that wrong........... 100ml for a 20kg lamb

farawaygrass · 29-04-2020 11:13AM

wrangler wrote: »

You must be reading that wrong........... 100ml for a 20kg lamb

Sorry ya, my stupidity I was reading the volume of the active product. 10% one is 10ml/50kg and 2.5% is 2.5ml/50kg.

Kevhog1988 · 29-04-2020 12:26PM

Finally a bit of rain here today!!

serfspup · 29-04-2020 09:20PM

Kevhog1988 wrote: »

Finally a bit of rain here today!!

and bloody cold here in NW might chill the shearing calls?

J.O. Farmer · 29-04-2020 11:06PM

farawaygrass wrote: »

Sorry ya, my stupidity I was reading the volume of the active product. 10% one is 10ml/50kg and 2.5% is 2.5ml/50kg.

Are you sure.

I think the 10% is 4 times stronger.

wrangler · 30-04-2020 07:19AM

farawaygrass wrote: »

Sorry ya, my stupidity I was reading the volume of the active product. 10% one is 10ml/50kg and 2.5% is 2.5ml/50kg.

Wrong again, better read the instructions

https://www.bimeda.ie/media/k2/attachments/1END002_Data_Sheet.pdf

https://www.bimeda.ie/media/k2/attachments/1END009_Data_Sheet.pdf

Green farmer · 30-04-2020 07:34AM

Now do ye rate the cobalt content ?

wrangler · 01-05-2020 05:36PM

I'd an interesting casualty yesterday, a very good ewe lamb ,5 weeks old.
I found her alive with a swollen head, the brain was so swollen it had the eye pushed out of the socket.
She died within an hour...... was only admiring her in the last few days

manno · 01-05-2020 07:11PM

wrangler wrote: »

I'd an interesting casualty yesterday, a very good ewe lamb ,5 weeks old.
I found her alive with a swollen head, the brain was so swollen it had the eye pushed out of the socket.
She died within an hour...... was only admiring her in the last few days

You didn't give her 100mls of Endospec did ya?:D:D

serfspup · 01-05-2020 08:37PM

wrangler wrote: »

I'd an interesting casualty yesterday, a very good ewe lamb ,5 weeks old.
I found her alive with a swollen head, the brain was so swollen it had the eye pushed out of the socket.
She died within an hour...... was only admiring her in the last few days

a sure way to put a curse on them

Farm365 · 03-05-2020 11:36AM

What are people using for first dose for lambs 6wks old? I was thinking of using Albex.

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