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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • #4352
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,960 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    From what I've seen of British and Irish hospitals they would struggle without foreign nationals,the majority being non EU.

    Seems to be:

    EU_staffing_joining_the_NHS.png

    EU_staff_leaving_the_NHS.png

    EU_nurses_joining_the_NHS.png

    https://fullfact.org/health/eu-staff-nhs-what-has-happened-referendum/

    The difference is that Ireland didn't run a virulently xenophobic anti-EU campaign to leave the EU.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4353
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    From what I've seen of British and Irish hospitals they would struggle without foreign nationals,the majority being non EU.

    The difference being is that Ireland isn't about to crash out of the EU.


  • #4354
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The difference being is that Ireland isn't about to crash out of the EU.

    I fully agree and I'm upset about it.


  • #4355
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Plus ireland doesnt, far as i know, put a surcharge on immigrants to access health care which means people willing to move to the uk to take up nursing or other positions have often to come up with 1000s of pounds just to pay the surcharges (raised from £400 to £624 per year in recent budget).


  • #4356
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Seems to be:

    EU_staffing_joining_the_NHS.png

    EU_staff_leaving_the_NHS.png

    EU_nurses_joining_the_NHS.png

    https://fullfact.org/health/eu-staff-nhs-what-has-happened-referendum/

    The difference is that Ireland didn't run a virulently xenophobic anti-EU campaign to leave the EU.

    It's a good job they hadn't all left or Johnson would have been up sh*tcreek without a paddle when he was in hospital!


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  • #4357
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,960 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    It's a good job they hadn't all left or Johnson would have been up sh*tcreek without a paddle when he was in hospital!

    Given that they're refusing to extend the negotiating period, I can easily see it getting worse. There's been a steady leak of EU group leaders and scientists at the University I work in back to the continent.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4358
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    theological wrote: »
    There will definitely be lessons learned after this as to how to better deal with pandemics

    The UK already learned these lessons. Exercise Cygnus exposed their lack of preparation for a pandemic in 2016.

    Since then, the Tories have made things worse.

    So it is not a case of them being hit by something unexpected and learning as they go, and saying we'll do better. It is a case of ignoring known risks, running down readiness and then when hit, trying to wing it while spinning and shifting blame.

    Telegraph on Cygnus:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/28/exercise-cygnus-uncovered-pandemic-warnings-buried-government/amp/


  • #4359
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    S.M.B. wrote: »
    I believe the Oxford vaccine is piggybacking off a pre existing vaccine with the hope that the hoops it needs to go through to get approval are shortened as a result. I assume that's why expectations to deliver soon seem loftier than elsewhere and its not due to political spin demands.

    Calling it the Oxford vaccine is a prime piece of political spin


  • #4360
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Given that they're refusing to extend the negotiating period, I can easily see it getting worse. There's been a steady leak of EU group leaders and scientists at the University I work in back to the continent.

    Which is Britain's loss.I can't fathom out what the UK hopes to achieve with the current stance,I'm hoping they're trying to get a better deal by unsettling the EU although the fallout from the virus has put the UK even further at a disadvantage and any chance of riding the storm after a no deal split are zero.
    There is strength in unity whilst being on your own is a lonely place to be in this crisis-the US aren't someone to rely on.


  • #4361
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Calling it the Oxford vaccine is a prime piece of political spin

    Does the uk have the capacity to manufacture it in sufficient quantities? Think i read it is going to be produced in Italy, at least initially.


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  • #4362
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Another delivery of PPE yesterday for Scotland, it got me thinking why the UK Govt cannot make the RAF available for these

    https://twitter.com/GPAPassenger/status/1253692427128442884

    If the shipment's from China, good luck asking them to let a RAF plane into their airspace, let alone use their airports.


  • #4363
    S.M.B.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Calling it the Oxford vaccine is a prime piece of political spin
    This is making a mountain of a mole hill in my opinion and I can understand why it'd irk those who get jumped on for mentioning the Oxford vaccine in conversation.

    Oxford University itself refer to it as the "Oxford COVID-19 vaccine". Are they part of the political spin? From my understanding the vaccine was developed in Oxford (although with plenty of international contributors) and the Italian company are mass producing the vaccine for use within the trial and hopefully beyond.


  • #4364
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,432 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    If the shipment's from China, good luck asking them to let a RAF plane into their airspace, let alone use their airports.

    Never thought of that :o


  • #4365
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Wonderful efforts by Captain Tom and Peter Kay with their renditions of 'you'll never walk alone'and 'is this the way to Amarillo' (both songs written by Americans)reaching the top of the UK charts with proceeds to the NHS.


  • #4366
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,432 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Scotland:
    In hospital: 1,748 (+38)
    In ICU: 140 (-1)
    Total confirmed cases: 10,051 (+354)
    Total deaths with confirmed COVID-19: 1,231 (+47)

    Therefore as it stands, there are a minimum of 1,932 (1,231+701) deaths in Scotland (confirmed and suspected)


  • #4367
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Wonderful efforts by Captain Tom and Peter Kay with their renditions of 'you'll never walk alone'and 'is this the way to Amarillo' (both songs written by Americans)reaching the top of the UK charts with proceeds to the NHS.

    Again well done Tom Moore. Fantastic man and as someone who is always particularly humbled by that war generation i find it incredibly moving.

    To those uk citizens donating money many of them can probably ill afford, maybe have a think in future before casting your vote for politicians who are responsible for the nhs being so desperately short of funding in the first place. Just a thought.


  • #4368
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,960 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Wonderful efforts by Captain Tom and Peter Kay with their renditions of 'you'll never walk alone'and 'is this the way to Amarillo' (both songs written by Americans)reaching the top of the UK charts with proceeds to the NHS.

    The NHS consumes over £120 billion each year in funding. No disrespect to anyone but those proceeds won't even hit the bottom.

    That a man like Captain Moore felt the need to go fundraising should be a source of national embarrassment. Instead the British public continue to vote for the party which mismanaged the NHS and clap like seals.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4369
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Again well done Tom Moore. Fantastic man and as someone who is always particularly humbled by that war generation i find it incredibly moving.

    To those uk citizens donating money many of them can probably ill afford, maybe have a think in future before casting your vote for politicians who are responsible for the nhs being so desperately short of funding in the first place. Just a thought.

    Agree completely.I can't help thinking surely it must be dawning on people by now what an untrustworthy group the tories are.I saw Michael Gove speaking to Andrew Marr and thought it was a wind up at first,he had obviously been practising posing in the mirror as his windmill like gesturing was more reminiscent of 'Dr Magnus Pyke 'back in the 70s and completely detracted from what he was saying.


  • #4370
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,943 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Priti Patel doing todays briefing at 4.
    Probably the usual stuff, though she is definitely the one who is 'most likely to go crazy live on air'.
    Only woman on the rota I think - The Tories must be aware what a complete liability Truss would be.


  • #4371
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,432 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1254052435577970688


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  • #4372
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Agree completely.I can't help thinking surely it must be dawning on people by now what an untrustworthy group the tories are.I saw Michael Gove speaking to Andrew Marr and thought it was a wind up at first,he had obviously been practising posing in the mirror as his windmill like gesturing was more reminiscent of 'Dr Magnus Pyke 'back in the 70s and completely detracted from what he was saying.

    There are some decent tories. I saw Tobias Elwood interviewed the other night and he seems an ok guy, but what must he think about where his party is going? What must others think? Rory Stewart was best they had and they forced him out.

    Last sunday morning summed up everything about the "gover".

    8.30 am - asked by Sophy Ridge on sky about the pm missing 5 cobr meetings, gove dismisses the story as "grotesque".

    9.30 am - asked by Andrew Marr gove says yeah he wasnt at the meetings but he wouldn't have been expected to be there anyway.

    The contempt he shows for any sense of political propriety is staggering. He's taking the p!ss, and they keep voting him back!


  • #4373
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Wonderful efforts by Captain Tom and Peter Kay with their renditions of 'you'll never walk alone'and 'is this the way to Amarillo' (both songs written by Americans)reaching the top of the UK charts with proceeds to the NHS.

    Why was everyone saying Peter Kay looked terrible. He didn't look much different to me.


  • #4374
    S.M.B.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Priti Patel doing todays briefing at 4.
    Probably the usual stuff, though she is definitely the one who is 'most likely to go crazy live on air'.
    Only woman on the rota I think - The Tories must be aware what a complete liability Truss would be.
    I don't know if I really want to see Truss there simply to see how bad it could go or if seeing her there would actually reduce me to tears.


  • #4375
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    There are some decent tories. I saw Tobias Elwood interviewed the other night and he seems an ok guy, but what must he think about where his party is going? What must others think? Rory Stewart was best they had and they forced him out.

    Last sunday morning summed up everything about the "gover".

    8.30 am - asked by Sophy Ridge on sky about the pm missing 5 cobr meetings, gove dismisses the story as "grotesque".

    9.30 am - asked by Andrew Marr gove says yeah he wasnt at the meetings but he wouldn't have been expected to be there anyway.

    The contempt he shows for any sense of political propriety is staggering. He's taking the p!ss, and they keep voting him back!

    The only tory I thought decent is Dominic Grieve,I don't think I'd trust any of the rest of them.


  • #4376
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Why are they all pretending, including bbc journalist, that they've only had 20,000 deaths?


  • #4377
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Two goes at asking Powis the dom question. Twice neatly dodged. He'll be in the commons soon enough.


  • #4378
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Dr Paul Hunter, professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia:

    “The World Health Organisation said yesterday that about half of all deaths in Europe are occurring in residence of elderly care homes.
    We know for a fact the figures reported every day are an underestimate, possibly a significant underestimate of the total number of deaths.
    The UK is well on track to hit 30,000 deaths in hospital, perhaps even 40,000 before the pandemic is brought under control. We are undoubtedly going to have one of the highest death rates in Europe,”


  • #4379
    Hotirish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭Hotirish


    It defies belief that the UK still isn’t including nursing home deaths in their figures. Their media is going on about passing 20,000 deaths today when everyone knows that happened many days ago. It’s like those lives didn’t count, ridiculous.


  • #4380
    bob mcbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Dr Paul Hunter, professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia:

    “The World Health Organisation said yesterday that about half of all deaths in Europe are occurring in residence of elderly care homes.
    We know for a fact the figures reported every day are an underestimate, possibly a significant underestimate of the total number of deaths.
    The UK is well on track to hit 30,000 deaths in hospital, perhaps even 40,000 before the pandemic is brought under control. We are undoubtedly going to have one of the highest death rates in Europe,”

    In the leaked cabinet office briefing on threat of a UK pandemic, they forecast -

    A case fatality ratio of 0.2%, resulting in 65,600 deaths.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/leaked-cabinet-office-briefing-on-uk-pandemic-threat-the-key-points

    I think that this might prove to be pretty accurate in the end.


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  • #4381
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Hotirish wrote: »
    It defies belief that the UK still isn’t including nursing home deaths in their figures. Their media is going on about passing 20,000 deaths today when everyone knows that happened many days ago. It’s like those lives didn’t count, ridiculous.

    I thought Powis's answer was terrible too, the usual mix of everything being so hard to predict and everywhere else suffering too. Then saying this was a "marathon not a sprint" was a rotten choice of metaphor i felt. Another reporter asked a fair question about why no earlier lockdown and he waffled on that too. He's defending the indefensible, i cant understand how if they've got such great scientists that the likes of him and Harries ended up in those roles. Come across more like politicians than scientists which is one answer i guess.


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