How long before Irish reunification?

munsterlegend · 24-04-2020 10:15PM

downcow wrote: »

I imagine croker is a great stadium bit my experiences of Aviva were pretty dull. One end of the stadium seems to be missing and it sounds like a big library - doesn't come close to windsor

I did prefer the the old Lansdowne but nothing matches croke park. A stadium that can only hold 18,500 is not suitable for international football in 2020. We have 5 stadium in Munster alone that can hold over 30000.

Paul_Crosby · 24-04-2020 10:17PM

downcow wrote: »

Well I think you know that I said clearly that he was not the IRA man controlling things but that he was the figurehead of LORAG, a bit like Michelle now in Sinn Fein.

Maybe it was your Protestant, British soldier, who lived in the flat above Sean Grahams Bookies, who hung his flag out for the parades, that was controlling things. That is a mystery you have not explained yet and everyone must be having a real chuckle at

:D:D Oh Yes everybody is chuckling at me I'm sure, I'll leave you alone now fella, I don't believe in beating up on senile old fools

downcow · 24-04-2020 10:19PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I did prefer the the old Lansdowne but nothing matches croke park. A stadium that can only hold 18,500 is not suitable for international football in 2020. We have 5 stadium in Munster alone that can hold over 30000.

I have had enough laughs for tonight, and am heading to bed, but please don't disappear because the comedy factor you bring to the forum is great.

munsterlegend · 24-04-2020 10:21PM

downcow wrote: »

I have had enough laughs for tonight, and am heading to bed, but please don't disappear because the comedy factor you bring to the forum is great.

I suppose when at least 40% of the population won’t turn up you don’t have to worry about big attendances.

downcow · 24-04-2020 10:21PM

Paul_Crosby wrote: »

:D:D Oh Yes everybody is chuckling at me I'm sure, I'll leave you alone now fella, I don't believe in beating up on senile old fools

Tell you your Prodie Brit that lives above Sean Grahams, that I wish him well but it might be time to get out because it sounds like his cover is blown

munsterlegend · 24-04-2020 10:23PM

Paul_Crosby wrote: »

:D:D Oh Yes everybody is chuckling at me I'm sure, I'll leave you alone now fella, I don't believe in beating up on senile old fools

I reckon some catholic woman broke his heart. He doesn’t live in 2020 anyway.

Paul_Crosby · 24-04-2020 10:26PM

downcow wrote: »

Tell you your Prodie Brit that lives above Sean Grahams, that I wish him well but it might be time to get out because it sounds like his cover is blown

Never said he lived above Sean Grahams brother!

:D:D He lived in Dromara Street

Do you know the old TA barracks in Sunnyside street? He served there after his initial nine year stint in the army, well known in the lower ormeau community, has family here, why would anybody have touched him? The fact that you think it's impossible for that man to have lived here speaks to your own bigotry

Now please stay down and don't force me to hit you with cold hard facts anymore because I fear I might kill you

Junkyard Tom · 24-04-2020 10:32PM

30-40 years

The thing about unionists like DC is that if you said to them; let's agree to a name for the northeast of Ireland, let's agree on an anthem, let's agree on a flag.. they'd shit the bed. Unionists want Nationalists to accept the emblems and flags of their rotten sectarian history.

Not a chance in hell.

munsterlegend · 24-04-2020 10:36PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The thing about unionists like DC is that if you said to them; let's agree to a name for the northeast of Ireland, let's agree on an anthem, let's agree on a flag.. they'd shit the bed. Unionists want Nationalists to accept the emblems and flags of their rotten sectarian history.

Not a chance in hell.

Yeah I know. That’s why they deflect ‘oh you are taking our players’ but never addressing or even attempt to address why such players would go to the hassle (and it is extra hassle) of switching international allegiance.

Junkyard Tom · 24-04-2020 10:42PM

30-40 years

munsterlegend wrote: »

Yeah I know. That’s why they deflect ‘oh you are taking our players’ but never addressing or even attempt to address why such players would go to the hassle (and it is extra hassle) of switching international allegiance.

Even saying 'our players' underscores the unionist sense of entitlement. If anything the unionist team is taking our players.

eire4 · 24-04-2020 11:23PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Yeah well north have only themselves to blame. Death threats to the former Celtic playing captain of your national team? Continuing to blast out a tune which at least 35-40% don’t identify with. But yeah blame the republic for picking players who identify as Irish. We won’t even mention the billy boy and anti catholic chants which admittedly have lessened in recent years.

Maybe one thing that might come out of this whole disaster to make things better would be at least an All Ireland League. It certainly would not be a panacea for the ills within the domestic game on the island. But without a doubt the clubs in both leagues are going to get slaughtered financially especially if the whole of next season is played behind closed doors which IMHO is what will happen. There is no way large crowds in any sports stadium will be allowed until a vaccine and or a treatment is found and that is not happening until sometime next year at best. So IMHO next season is toast as well in terms of crowds. No way any club in either league can just ride that out.

I know there have been meetings and talks about having one league in the last year or so. Hopefully this disaster will really kick start that onto the front burner. One league with say 14 teams split into 2 divisions with maybe a third regionalized level below that. The top league would then maybe be able to push for some kind of TV deal. Pretty much anything would be better then things as they are TV wise. Maybe clubs could look into streaming as well but combing the leagues would certainly create a top tier with way more numbers if interesting matches capable of drawing good crowds then is current the case in the 2 leagues and then you would have a second teir at least with some kind of viability and a chance for clubs to push to get in with the bigger teams.

Personally I would rather there was only one Ireland team playing internationally as well. It is not like we are either flush with players pools so it would certainly help make us more competitive internationally. But at least looking for one domestic league would be a place to start. But having just one national team as well makes the most sense as well as having just one league domestically.

Junkyard Tom · 24-04-2020 11:38PM

30-40 years

eire4 wrote: »

Maybe one thing that might come out of this whole disaster to make things better would be at least an All Ireland League.

It really bugs me how much money flows out of our country and into Britain from people following foreign teams. There's no good reason why we couldn't have a better league than Scotland here in Ireland.

blinding · 25-04-2020 05:38AM

10-15 years

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It really bugs me how much money flows out of our country and into Britain from people following foreign teams. There's no good reason why we couldn't have a better league that Scotland here in Ireland.

It wouldn’t be hard and we even have a Sunny South East.

downcow · 25-04-2020 09:16AM

eire4 wrote: »

Maybe one thing that might come out of this whole disaster to make things better would be at least an All Ireland League. It certainly would not be a panacea for the ills within the domestic game on the island. But without a doubt the clubs in both leagues are going to get slaughtered financially especially if the whole of next season is played behind closed doors which IMHO is what will happen. There is no way large crowds in any sports stadium will be allowed until a vaccine and or a treatment is found and that is not happening until sometime next year at best. So IMHO next season is toast as well in terms of crowds. No way any club in either league can just ride that out.

I know there have been meetings and talks about having one league in the last year or so. Hopefully this disaster will really kick start that onto the front burner. One league with say 14 teams split into 2 divisions with maybe a third regionalized level below that. The top league would then maybe be able to push for some kind of TV deal. Pretty much anything would be better then things as they are TV wise. Maybe clubs could look into streaming as well but combing the leagues would certainly create a top tier with way more numbers if interesting matches capable of drawing good crowds then is current the case in the 2 leagues and then you would have a second teir at least with some kind of viability and a chance for clubs to push to get in with the bigger teams.

Personally I would rather there was only one Ireland team playing internationally as well. It is not like we are either flush with players pools so it would certainly help make us more competitive internationally. But at least looking for one domestic league would be a place to start. But having just one national team as well makes the most sense as well as having just one league domestically.

Yeah I think an all island league would be great , but the danger is when you link any aspiration of an all island team to it then all but one or two teams in north are going to run a mile from it

downcow · 25-04-2020 09:52AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Yeah I know. That’s why they deflect ‘oh you are taking our players’ but never addressing or even attempt to address why such players would go to the hassle (and it is extra hassle) of switching international allegiance.

The players are not to blame for it. It is the system allows it and the roi management exploit it.
There is only one player I know who has got involved in unsavoury nonsense around it and we all know who that is. He ran about in a ni shirt, holding the Ulster flag up in his bedroom, worked the system and then didn’t even go quietly , but tried to taunt ni fans in the process. But hey this demonstrates that every cloud has a silver lining because I don’t know a single fan who is not desperately relieved to by rid of that car crash waiting to happen.
And I often think this is the difference in the ni team and the roi team. Ni team is like a family, all for one and one for all, no wannabe primadonnas. And of course the deep connection between the players and the fans seems unique in professional football.

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2020 09:58AM

downcow wrote: »

The players are not to blame for it. It is the system allows it and the roi management exploit it.
There is only one player I know who has got involved in unsavoury nonsense around it and we all know who that is. He ran about in a ni shirt, holding the Ulster flag up in his bedroom, worked the system and then didn’t even go quietly , but tried to taunt ni fans in the process. But hey this demonstrates that every cloud has a silver lining because I don’t know a single fan who is not desperately relieved to by rid of that car crash waiting to happen.
And I often think this is the difference in the ni team and the roi team. Ni team is like a family, all for one and one for all, no wannabe primadonnas. And of course the deep connection between the players and the fans seems unique in professional football.

The jealousy, begrudery and not to mention a little bigotry is just dripping out of that post.

landofthetree · 25-04-2020 10:01AM

Ireland is in real trouble.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/paschal-donohoe-warns-of-bond-market-vigilantes-driving-up-borrowing-costs-39156081.html

Looking at borrowing costs of 10% by September.

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2020 10:09AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Ireland is in real trouble.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/paschal-donohoe-warns-of-bond-market-vigilantes-driving-up-borrowing-costs-39156081.html

Looking at borrowing costs of 10% by September.

The world is in trouble.

landofthetree · 25-04-2020 10:11AM

If Eurobonds went ahead, and the Germans were paying back part of Ireland, and Italy’s, debt.

The Germans might well, in those circumstances, point out that it’s unfair that German companies are paying a 30% corporate tax rate to help pay back Irish debt when Irish companies are only paying 12.5%.
https://gript.ie/the-germans-are-right-eurobonds-are-a-terrible-idea/

FF FG SF Greens Lab SD and their silly Eurobond idea will never be accepted by our German bosses.

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2020 10:17AM

landofthetree wrote: »

If Eurobonds went ahead, and the Germans were paying back part of Ireland, and Italy’s, debt.

The Germans might well, in those circumstances, point out that it’s unfair that German companies are paying a 30% corporate tax rate to help pay back Irish debt when Irish companies are only paying 12.5%.
https://gript.ie/the-germans-are-right-eurobonds-are-a-terrible-idea/

FF FG SF Greens Lab SD and their silly Eurobond idea will never be accepted by our German bosses.

Why posit a question when you already have your mind made up about the outcome?

'Zee Evil Germans'? Brexited Britain is thataway >>> I'm sure they'll love you in certain quarters there.

downcow · 25-04-2020 10:34AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Ireland is in real trouble.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/paschal-donohoe-warns-of-bond-market-vigilantes-driving-up-borrowing-costs-39156081.html

Looking at borrowing costs of 10% by September.

Yeah tough time’s ahead.
Maybe it a bit of ‘better the devil you know’, but as a neutral on brexit I am now glad we are with the uk and very glad we are not in a UI tied to EU. And that’s purely on financial grounds Of course it also fits with my political and cultural aspirations.
Let’s hope this is as painless as possible for all.
It also makes negotiating brexit interesting. No room now for anyone to play hard ball

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2020 10:39AM

downcow wrote: »

No room now for anyone to play hard ball

Yes, the EU Commission made that clear, yesterday.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_20_739

But I regret that the United Kingdom refused to engage seriously on a number of fundamental issues – issues that we did not pull out of our hat: they can be found quite precisely in the Political Declaration that we agreed with Boris Johnson. This document must be implemented seriously, precisely and objectively. I regret to say that this is not yet the case.

landofthetree · 25-04-2020 10:55AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why posit a question when you already have your mind made up about the outcome?

'Zee Evil Germans'? Brexited Britain is thataway >>> I'm sure they'll love you in certain quarters there.

Embarrassing.

Ireland begging the Germans for a bailout.

Yet we can somehow fund a UI.

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2020 11:01AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Embarrassing.

Ireland begging the Germans for a bailout.

Yet we can somehow fund a UI.

Well there will be many just printing new money to get out of this too.

The problem is none of it ultimately means anything...just systems that keep the rich rich etc etc.

Thing is, it will all be paid for or not paid for and things will go on. But I will make a bet with you that the countries in co-operating Unions will be the stronger ones...and the bigger the union the stronger they will emerge. Best of luck to those who have left unions and gone out on their own.

Usually, if a business does that ^ and has to survive they will scale down in size and get rid of non profitable sectors that somebody else can make work.Get me drift?

Hubertj · 25-04-2020 11:05AM

landofthetree wrote: »

If Eurobonds went ahead, and the Germans were paying back part of Ireland, and Italy’s, debt.

The Germans might well, in those circumstances, point out that it’s unfair that German companies are paying a 30% corporate tax rate to help pay back Irish debt when Irish companies are only paying 12.5%.
https://gript.ie/the-germans-are-right-eurobonds-are-a-terrible-idea/

FF FG SF Greens Lab SD and their silly Eurobond idea will never be accepted by our German bosses.

You’re quoting a gript article? That’s sad.

blinding · 25-04-2020 11:44AM

10-15 years

landofthetree wrote: »

Embarrassing.

Ireland begging the Germans for a bailout.

Yet we can somehow fund a UI.

A United Ireland in the Fourth Reich;););)

What could possibly go wrong;););)

25-04-2020 12:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well there will be many just printing new money to get out of this too.

The problem is none of it ultimately means anything...just systems that keep the rich rich etc etc.

Thing is, it will all be paid for or not paid for and things will go on. But I will make a bet with you that the countries in co-operating Unions will be the stronger ones...and the bigger the union the stronger they will emerge. Best of luck to those who have left unions and gone out on their own.

Usually, if a business does that ^ and has to survive they will scale down in size and get rid of non profitable sectors that somebody else can make work.Get me drift?

The strength of the Irish economy is the deciding factor. Unless the UK pay us to take it , it'll be a long time before we could afford to take it on.

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2020 12:09PM

jh79 wrote: »

The strength of the Irish economy is the deciding factor. Unless the UK pay us to take it , it'll be a long time before we could afford to take it on.

Same old rubbish. It will be couched as 'an investment in the future'. Like every capital spending project.

And that actually will be true.

munsterlegend · 25-04-2020 12:14PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The jealousy, begrudery and not to mention a little bigotry is just dripping out of that post.

And a bit of waffle thrown in. Players don’t switch teams in international football especially given the hassle up north without a lot of thought. The nationalist population don’t buy into team NI and never will as long as the anthem and flags issues aren’t addressed.

25-04-2020 12:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Same old rubbish. It will be couched as 'an investment in the future'. Like every capital spending project.

And that actually will be true.

Where will the money come from?

And explain how an extra 12bn a year ( not far off our welfare bill of 15bn ) will allows us to retain an A rating and borrow from the markets in a sustainable manner.?

Throw in a financially reckless SF government and we are more likely to have the IMF back than an UI

How long before Irish reunification?

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