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  • #242
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    EyesClosed wrote: »
    But there is no link between this tattoo vaccine check.... And a digital Id

    It's not a boolean Y/N 'check mark.' It's a digitally read data mark that can contain a 'data string' of information. The researchers said they hope to include additional data in future versions, the time/date of vaccine, why the woudn't include the persons name or more likely a given unique serial/id number would be defeatist and against all the intentions of id2020.org, who back this concept.

    You're being somewhat silly to suggest it's only a tick mark to say 'yes I had a vaccine'. Why go to the bother of micro needles, when a Nike swoop logo would suffice in this case.


  • #243
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    It's not a boolean Y/N 'check mark.' It's a digitally read data mark that can contain a 'data string' of information. The researchers said they hope to include additional data in future versions, the time/date of vaccine, why the woudn't include the persons name or more likely a given unique serial/id number would be defeatist and against all the intentions of id2020.org, who back this concept.

    You're being somewhat silly to suggest it's only a tick mark to say 'yes I had a vaccine'. Why go to the bother of micro needles, when a Nike swoop logo would suffice in this case.

    Bill Gates said digital certificate on the AMA Reddit page. 
    Travel overseas, the airport official, scans your boarding pass and verifies you bought a legitimate plane ticket for the flight . It shows your name and details on the computer after the scan.

    My best supposition is, it be a vaccine certificate, stored on your phone and then scanned? They're likely also planning to introduce a biometric card in the future?
    What the potential outcome, could you be blacklisted for not taking a vaccine? 
    Can you be stopped from entering public places without it?


  • #244
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Why would you imagine they've get delivered in any maningful concept of seperation? That defeats the direct brief that Bill sent to the team.

    They both get delivery using the same technique, and by default should get delivered at the same time (the marker at, or as soon as the vaccine gets delivered). If it's not delivered at the same time it becomes self-defeating and Bill pulls the funding.

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    If you implying there is any meaningful 'process seperation' or that one does not accompany the other, you are playing mind games (with yourself).

    Adopting off that, way off towards the future. Lot of people will resist that.
    A vaccine cert stored on the phone or a card you carry out, is likely in next 10 years.


  • #245
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Bill Gates said digital certificate on the AMA Reddit page.
    Travel overseas, the airport official, scans your boarding pass and verifies you bought a legitimate plane ticket for the flight . It shows your name and details on the computer after the scan.

    Don't think there is any debate or denial that he (Bill) fully supports the latest idea of a digital certificate of vaccine, that's a given.

    There are also recent quotes from him that wants the 'entire' planet (every single person) vaccinated against COVID19.

    This seems to position him (the wealthy technologist), as an unappointed global authority (beyond state, or appointment) on the core issues related to viroligy and a full global vaccine implementation (a vaccine choice he influences). Money sure is a powerful thing.

    People have already started to reject this early push to have some universal COVID vaccine, a potential requirement for many things. e.g,. Last week a (slightly famous) tennis player said he would not take it, he'd would rather void winning his likely many future grand slams, instead of attending tournaments, if event organisers insist on it as a pre-condition.
    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    
    My best supposition is, it be a vaccine certificate, stored on your phone and can be scanned by machine?

    Essentially from memory that's how it works. The digital cert is stored on your smartphone, and presented for a quick scan (code/barcode/qr) whenever requested by whomever.

    You can see the immediate flaws of this temporary fix. Forgot phone, no juice in it, can't install the app, my phone isn't smart, deleted the app/cert by accident, am borrowing the other half's phone, lost my phone, phone was stolen, this is my other spare phone etc etc.

    A vaccine cert on your phone is actually simple technology, so simple it's unsuitable and unreliable.
    It's actually poor, old and unreliable technology.
    Again cards are on the way out, id2020.org rejects the old concept of national id cards/papers.
    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    They're likely also planning to introduce a biometric card in the future?
    What the potential outcome, could you be blacklisted for not taking a vaccine?
    Can you be stopped from entering public places without it?

    Won't need a card/plastic/paper (id2020 reject this concept).
    Once you're given (ideally at birth) a unique encrypted singular birth-to-death persistant form of digital ID you have it, and can't loose/change/forget it, until you expire.
    Oh, and it won't involve any paper or card.


  • #246
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    f you receive an implant or mark at birth (or at time of vaccine), then yes that becomes a (new) additional point of biometric data. {statistical analysis to biological data}.
    No, that's not what the word means...

    Biometrics refers to things such as fingerprints and iris scans.


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  • #247
    ohnonotgmail
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Don't think there is any debate or denial that he (Bill) fully supports the latest idea of a digital certificate of vaccine, that's a given.

    There are also recent quotes from him that wants the 'entire' planet (every single person) vaccinated against COVID19.

    This seems to position him (the wealthy technologist), as an unappointed global authority (beyond state, or appointment) on the core issues related to viroligy and a full global vaccine implementation (a vaccine choice he influences). Money sure is a powerful thing.

    People have already started to reject this early push to have some universal COVID vaccine, a potential requirement for many things. e.g,. Last week a (slightly famous) tennis player said he would not take it, he'd would rather void winning his likely many future grand slams, instead of attending tournaments, if event organisers insist on it as a pre-condition.


    who are these people? apart from a tennis player that very few care about. Are they the same people who think it is necessary to carry guns while they protest the lockdown in the US? are they people like gemma o'doherty and john waters?


  • #248
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    who are these people? apart from a tennis player that very few care about. Are they the same people who think it is necessary to carry guns while they protest the lockdown in the US? are they people like gemma o'doherty and john waters?

    Think you've let your own imagination run riot, with wayward images of a very niche and select choice of characters, maybe go easy on the aul coffee?
    Sure why not add in the crazy flat-earthers while your at it? - for de' extra fake drama.

    Chances are many regular folks such as Novak Djokavic, would refuse any extremely rushed vaccine, if/when it becomes forced (mandatory) purely based on personal views on health.

    Aside from health, the bigger issue for potential rejection, is to do with a potential 'Unique Identifier' tracking mark associated with future vaccines.

    This (as desired by B'Gates & id2020.org) would be a persistant (permanent) passive semiconducting (fluorescent copper-based) mark on the body, that can be digitally read (much like RFID).

    “Immunisation to serve as a platform for digital identity”

    This unique blockchain secured DigitalID would also be perfect for any future 'Digital Dollar' as many stores now reject physical cash (were the COVID virus can harbour for days) outright.
    Or have notices stating a strong preference for the (not entirely secure) limited spend wireless payments.


  • #249
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Think you've let your own imagination run riot, with wayward images of a very niche and select choice of characters, maybe go easy on the aul coffee?
    Sure why not add in the crazy flat-earthers while your at it? - for de' extra fake drama.

    Chances are many regular folks such as Novak Djokavic, would refuse any extremely rushed vaccine, if/when it becomes forced (mandatory) purely based on personal views on health.

    that sounds like trump with his "many people say". they never seem to exist when you dig deeper as well. I didnt bother quoting the rest as it is just a rehash of stuff you have posted before.


  • #250
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    that sounds like trump with his "many people say".
    As already advised, you should really go easy on the coffee.
    It will help you stay on topic and reduce the ass-talk.

    Might also void your personal fascination with Trump(?) and other specific easily triggered random non-topic related charachters. All of which none have any bearing to the actual topic of DigitalIDs (novice diversion technique).

    Again, this thread is about 'DigitalIDs',

    maybe try the TrumpFor2020 etc type threads if you wish to chat away about the leader of the free world.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058043510


  • #251
    ohnonotgmail
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    As already advised, you should really go easy on the coffee.
    It will help you stay on topic and reduce the ass-talk.

    Might also void your personal fascination with Trump(?) and other specific easily triggered random non-topic related charachters. All of which none have any bearing to the actual topic of DigitalIDs (novice diversion technique).

    Again, this thread is about 'DigitalIDs',

    maybe try the TrumpFor2020 etc type threads if you wish to chat away about the leader of the free world.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058043510

    very trumpian response. get personal with people when they call you out on nonsense


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  • #252
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    very trumpian response. get personal with people when they call you out on nonsense
    Again... maybe try the TrumpFor2020 etc type threads if you wish to chat away about the leader of the free world.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/show...p?t=2058043510

    And less of the non-topic diversion realted personal nonsense, if you don't mind.

    This is the DigitalID thread.


  • #253
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Again... maybe try the TrumpFor2020 etc type threads if you wish to chat away about the leader of the free world.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/show...p?t=2058043510

    And less of the non-topic diversion realted personal nonsense, if you don't mind.

    This is the DigitalID thread.

    if you have an issue with my posts report them to the mods. I was merely responding to your claim that many people say they will reject any vaccine for covd19. a claim you refuse to substantiate.


  • #254
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Normal digital ID doesn't currently exist in any meaningful way.

    Yes it does? As mentioned some countries use national identity cards with a chip on them
    The only solutions is the persitant type, blockchain secure and unique birth-to-death methods, most likely to be delivered in combo vaccine at birth.

    That's the "only solution" in your personal made-up world.

    Have never seen any such solid plan in the real world to implement a blockchain based ID system via vaccine. Just because something might be theoretically possible doesn't mean it's automatically going to happen in the future.


  • #255
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    This is the DigitalID thread.

    Yet you've mentioned Covid19 several times in just the last few pages


  • #256
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Yet you've mentioned Covid19 several times in just the last few pages
    And... the COVID19 vaccine (that BGates & ID2020.org wants the entire world to get) would be the clearest, most direct and natural route for DigitalID delivery, for the entire world.

    The perfect delivery would be the combo quantum dot tattoo (that Gates directly funded) COVID vaccine + the Data Mark.

    Sometimes one gets the feeling people aren't reading any of the previous pages <<<, instead just farting out diversion soundbites.

    *Do keep up chaps/ladies*, it's really not that hard.


  • #257
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    And... the COVID19 vaccine (that BGates & ID2020.org wants the entire world to get) would be the clearest, most direct and natural route for DigitalID delivery, for the entire world.

    Some individuals seem to have this delusion and fixation that the authorities or "powers-that-be" want to digitally "mark" us in some mandatory way for nefarious reasons, either via microchip, RFID, digital ID/tattoo, etc

    So much so that there are entire websites dedicated to this fear-based belief, most of which seem to be religious based. We had a poster here on boards who went on about it for years, and after several failed predictions they disappeared..

    Some are too smart to make predictions, because deep down they know they are pandering to a personal fantasy that is unlikely to be true.

    Do you have a prediction when this will happen? or do you subscribe more to the vague long-term distant prediction?


  • #258
    Ted_YNWA
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    And... the COVID19 vaccine (that BGates & ID2020.org wants the entire world to get) would be the clearest, most direct and natural route for DigitalID delivery, for the entire world.

    The perfect delivery would be the combo quantum dot tattoo (that Gates directly funded) COVID vaccine + the Data Mark.

    Sometimes one gets the feeling people aren't reading any of the previous pages <<<, instead just farting out diversion soundbites.

    *Do keep up chaps/ladies*, it's really not that hard.

    Mod

    If you want people to engage with this topic seriously, it would be a good idea to treat them with respect.


  • #259
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    This (as desired by B'Gates & id2020.org) would be a persistant (permanent) passive semiconducting (fluorescent copper-based) mark on the body, that can be digitally read (much like RFID).
    Well no, that's not what they desire as that's not persistent or permanent and it's not biometric, which they mention several times.

    And again, no where on the site you keep linking to does it mention any of that being desired or connected at all.
    You are the one connecting dots that don't actually connect.
    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    This unique blockchain secured DigitalID would also be perfect for any future 'Digital Dollar' as many stores now reject physical cash (were the COVID virus can harbour for days) outright.
    Or have notices stating a strong preference for the (not entirely secure) limited spend wireless payments.
    But again, no it wouldn't. It would be less perfect than contactless cards or contactless phones as rather than putting a clean, easily sterilised surface near the reader tons of people have to use, you have to put your grubby hands on it. (And/or forehead if we're to believe your claims about the bible having an accurate prophesy.)

    And again, no where on the site you've linked, or anything Bill Gates has ever said indicates any connection to their efforts...


  • #260
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Well no, that's not what they desire as that's not persistent or permanent and it's not biometric, which they mention several times.
    It's a (BGates) funded project aimed towards his specific brief (vaccine tracking via a data mark on the body), ideally to function as a permanent mark.

    it's (currently) valid for 5yrs persistance on skin under direct sunlight. If you think the MIT Team have closed the book on it or haven't got further views to enhance the persitance level, reckon this is very misguided and blinded thinking, considering a chap that just spend $48m on another house last week, may write them another cheque.

    And again if you're in denial that id2020.org has any connection to both vaccine programes and DigitalIDs: also misguided and/or in denial.

    You keep forgetting Microsoft of which Bill sat on the board (until COVID March 2020), are the founding partners of id2020.org. Yes, that's their logo right beside the Rockerfellas and the Gavi Vaccine Alliance on https://id2020.org/alliance
    King Mob wrote: »
    ...t would be less perfect than contactless cards or contactless phones as rather than putting a clean, easily sterilised surface near the reader tons of people have to use, you have to put your grubby hands on it.

    This is a new level of falsehood. An infrared scanner does not involve any direct contact. Surely anyone who's been to a supermarket knows this basic fact. I.e. This is contactless technology, it's not handshaking is it now?

    It's a step up from basic 'QRCodes' (also contactless) which are already blisteringly fast, and able to carry fairly large data strings, and work as unique identifiers^ and all from their very, very simple monotone non-conductive pattern arrangement. ^2.817960879631397637428637785383222308241674912977296×104515 different ways.

    Not only is this (early pilot project/research) an infrared ("wireless") readable mark, but it is also semi-conductive (copper and polymer), which indicates it may have potential to function as a (passive) antenna, which would be similar to an actual RFID tracking.

    The MIT team associated with the early research have already used (wearable necklace) RFID tags on newborns in Pakistan under another pilot program (id2020.org funded), to record their personal data, vaccine and medical history, of course wearables isn't persistant technology, only embedded is.


  • #261
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Why do you keep repeatedly inserting the website address into your posts?

    I've asked this before, it's bizarre behaviour


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  • #262
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Snopes article addressing a lot of this Bill Gates, ID2020 stuff

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-id2020/


  • #263
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Why do you keep repeatedly inserting the website address into your posts?
    I've asked this before, it's bizarre behaviour
    Why do you keep repeatedly asking this question, it's rather bizzare to say the least. Can only suspect it's novice diversive behaviour.

    id2020.org is the singular, primary or main global project who's only primary aim is to introduce (push) 'Digital IDs' (i.e. the topic of the thread).

    If you fail to understand their absoloute relevance, well, there is little hope for you in terms of processing basic logic or information that has been spoon fed. BillGates(foundation) is closely associated with them, but his only interest (that we know of) is vaccines upon the entire world, and tracking of.

    Welcome to the thread called (yes)... Digital ID's for everyone.


  • #264
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Snopes article...
    It would appear your only capable response to something you can't discuss (using your own though process) is to revert to some random website called snopes or somesuch.

    We have seen it before, and will no doubt see it again, and again, and again.
    but snopes says this, but snopes says that, as if it's some gospel ultra-truth.

    Likely there some random small quasi quango of fixed viewpoint and limited conception of thought, likely call themselves independent, yet funded by specific anon donors (a bit like the Guardian).

    If you're argument is that id2020.org 'isn't' pushing for Digital IDs???
    (maybe also for everyone, but well 1.5bn to start with),

    - then you'd better call them, as it's in black n' white on their own website.


  • #265
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    It would appear your only capable response to something you can't discuss (using your own though process) is to revert to some random website called snopes or somesuch.

    We have seen it before, and will no doubt see it again, and again, and again.
    but snopes says this, but snopes says that, as if it's some gospel ultra-truth.

    Likely there some random small quasi quango of fixed viewpoint and limited conception of thought, likely call themselves independent, yet funded by specific anon donors (a bit like the Guardian).

    If you're argument is that id2020.org 'isn't' pushing for Digital IDs???
    (maybe also for everyone, but well 1.5bn to start with),

    - then you'd better call them, as it's in black n' white on their own website.

    Referring to snopes as a random website :pac:


  • #266
    Dohnjoe
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Why do you keep repeatedly asking this question, it's rather bizzare to say the least. Can only suspect it's novice diversive behaviour.

    id2020.org is the singular, primary or main global project who's only primary aim is to introduce (push) 'Digital IDs' (i.e. the topic of the thread).

    If you fail to understand their absoloute relevance, well, there is little hope for you in terms of processing basic logic or information that has been spoon fed. BillGates(foundation) is closely associated with them, but his only interest (that we know of) is vaccines upon the entire world, and tracking of.

    Welcome to the thread called (yes)... Digital ID's for everyone.

    You just did it again.

    Why do you keep mentioning the name of the project by it's website address?

    For example, when you refer to Microsoft, you don't write Microsoft.com. What's different about ID2020?


  • #267
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    Except the thing is they're not pushing for some micro tattoos or whatever as the digital id... That's where the conspiracy is and with no real fundamental basis. I imagine you'll find Bill Gates has funded so much research that you could incorporate plenty of random things into your theory. But still none of them are actual mentioned by id2020


  • #268
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    It would appear your only capable response to something you can't discuss (using your own though process) is to revert to some random website called snopes or somesuch.

    We have seen it before, and will no doubt see it again, and again, and again.
    but snopes says this, but snopes says that, as if it's some gospel ultra-truth.

    Likely there some random small quasi quango of fixed viewpoint and limited conception of thought, likely call themselves independent, yet funded by specific anon donors (a bit like the Guardian).

    If you're argument is that id2020.org 'isn't' pushing for Digital IDs???
    (maybe also for everyone, but well 1.5bn to start with),

    - then you'd better call them, as it's in black n' white on their own website.

    And again.

    Also you didn't address anything in the Snopes article.


  • #269
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Why do you keep repeatedly asking this question, it's rather bizzare to say the least. Can only suspect it's novice diversive behaviour.

    id2020.org is the singular, primary or main global project who's only primary aim is to introduce (push) 'Digital IDs' (i.e. the topic of the thread).

    If you fail to understand their absoloute relevance, well, there is little hope for you in terms of processing basic logic or information that has been spoon fed. BillGates(foundation) is closely associated with them, but his only interest (that we know of) is vaccines upon the entire world, and tracking of.

    Welcome to the thread called (yes)... Digital ID's for everyone.


    The downside to this argument is ID2020 doesn't specifically list Bill Gates as a sponsor (only Microsoft) and the quantum digital marker is not named or discussed on the ID2020 website.. Least what i found.

    I don't believe your speculation is totally unfounded. You will not convince debunkers until you can show 100 percent ID2020 planned to rollout a vaccine digital marker.


  • #270
    kippy
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    Digital IDs are badly needed.


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  • #271
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Except the thing is they're not pushing for some micro tattoos or whatever as the digital id... That's where the conspiracy is and with no real fundamental basis. I imagine you'll find Bill Gates has funded so much research that you could incorporate plenty of random things into your theory. But still none of them are actual mentioned by id2020

    Except id2020.org has under it's large winds, a very wide range of partners and pilot schemes all using innovative technologies to solve the issue of creating persistant (birth-to-death) Digital IDs.

    While they also back BillGates directly funded projects (e.g. quantum dot tatoos), they have many of their very own iRespond, Everest, MyPass and so on....

    Working across many regions and directly with many states e.g.

    NEW YORK, Sept. 19, 2019 /PRNewswire/:
    ID2020 unveiled its latest good digital identity program in partnership with the Access to Information (a2i) Program of the Government of Bangladesh, the Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS) and Gavi. Recognizing the opportunity for immunization to serve as a platform for digital identity, this program leverages existing vaccination and birth registration operations to offer newborns a persistent and portable biometrically-linked digital identity.

    Anir Chowdhury, policy advisor at a2i. "The Government of Bangladesh recognizes that the design of digital identity systems carries far-reaching implications for individuals' access to services and livelihoods, and we are eager to pioneer this approach."

    To offer a persistent digital identity from birth, the program will explore and assess several cutting-edge infant biometric technologies, unlocking a potential global public good


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