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Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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    #392
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Drury St car park next please!!


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    #393
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    The Arnotts car park is being reduced from 370 to 225 spaces.

    Dublin City Council owns Drury Street, Dawson Street and the massive Ilac car park (1000 spaces). With enough pressure, they could be forced to divest from it. Or, at least, replace some spaces with cycling facilities like Drury Street.


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    #394
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Sadly the plans for the redeveloped Moira House include an underground car park:(:(


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    #395
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Sadly the plans for the redeveloped Moira House include an underground car park:(:(
    Where are you seeing that? I'm only seeing a bike storage mentioned in the planning docs.

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    #396
    celtcia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 37 ✭celtcia


    Segregated bike lanes yes or no?

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    #397
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/11/world-cities-turn-their-streets-over-to-walkers-and-cyclists

    Be good to see this happen here and let some of the temporary changes become permanent.


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    #398
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/11/world-cities-turn-their-streets-over-to-walkers-and-cyclists

    Be good to see this happen here and let some of the temporary changes become permanent.

    Owen Keegan says he doesn't see the need.

    There's some momentum gathering behind it in Dublin City Council now. Both Fine Gael and Greens have already written to the CEO asking him to implement temporary measures for pedestrians and cyclists. Labour coming on board too. I'd encourage people to write to their local reps now.

    https://twitter.com/djlonergan/status/1249739492384219136?s=20


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    #399
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Two articles about temporary measures today. Pressure is mounting.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0414/1130415-coronavirus-travel/

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/pressure-on-council-to-reallocate-traffic-lanes-to-cyclists-and-walkers-1.4228538

    Owen Keegan still maintaining the same position as last week by saying there's no citywide problem and that the problem is restricted to outside supermarket queues.

    https://twitter.com/RayMcAdam/status/1250029483710648320?s=20


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    #400
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,585 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    If nothing else, a directly elected mayor would at the very least stop us having to deal with Owen Keegan in the future.


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    #401
    Rulmeq
    Registered Users Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Rulmeq


    MJohnston wrote: »
    If nothing else, a directly elected mayor would at the very least stop us having to deal with Owen Keegan in the future.
    Unless Owen Keegan got elected mayor


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    #402
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Rulmeq wrote: »
    Unless Owen Keegan got elected mayor

    At least that would be our own fault . Currently we have out of touch Owen who want to cut down all the trees and put cars everywhere


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    #403
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    At least that would be our own fault . Current we have out of touch Owen who want to cut down all the trees and put cars everywhere

    No he doesn't?


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    #404
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,585 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    donvito99 wrote: »
    No he doesn't?

    He said he’d rather get rid of all the trees than deal with compensation claims. Obviously he wasn’t being entirely serious, I guess, but it’s still a silly comment either way.


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    #405
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    MJohnston wrote: »
    He said he’d rather get rid of all the trees than deal with compensation claims. Obviously he wasn’t being entirely serious, I guess, but it’s still a silly comment either way.

    Excatly his entire MO and that of DCC is to cut costs to the detriment of Dublin.

    Antisocial behavour somewhere ? Pull out anything nice in the area!

    Trees unrooting some pavements? Cut them down.

    Teens hanging in a laneway ? Block it off


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    #406
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Excatly his entire MO and that of DCC is to cut costs to the detriment of Dublin.

    Antisocial behavour somewhere ? Pull out anything nice in the area!

    Trees unrooting some pavements? Cut them down.

    Teens hanging in a laneway ? Block it off

    I'll never believe anything I hear about Owen Keegan because I've heard everything about Owen Keegan i.e. he's both pro and anti cyclist, pro and anti motorist, pro and anti etc etc. This seems to suggest that he's doing the job adequately.

    And I've always thought that those saying Owen Keegan's either going too far or not doing enough probably doesn't appreciate what the role of the City Manager is which is answering to local politicians and delivering what they have resolved for him and the Council as a whole to do.


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    #407
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    donvito99 wrote: »
    I'll never believe anything I hear about Owen Keegan because I've heard everything about Owen Keegan i.e. he's both pro and anti cyclist, pro and anti motorist, pro and anti etc etc. This seems to suggest that he's doing the job adequately.

    And I've always thought that those saying Owen Keegan's either going too far or not doing enough probably doesn't appreciate what the role of the City Manager is which is answering to local politicians and delivering what they have resolved for him and the Council as a whole to do.

    Many councilors would argue that he/ the coucil do their Owen (see what I did there) thing and they barely get to direct it. Case in point footpath widening


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    #408
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Coronavirus: Dublin City Council to implement 'emergency’ social distancing measures
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-dublin-city-council-to-implement-emergency-social-distancing-measures-1.4231576

    It's a start.
    https://twitter.com/naoiseomuiri/status/1251089482075471873?s=20


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    #409
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    New York City Council have overruled the Mayor's decision not to bother doing anything, and are now forcing him, by law, to create miles of extra space for cyclists and pedestrians across NYC.

    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/04/17/breaking-council-big-dogs-de-blasio-will-create-miles-of-open-streets/


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    #410
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Well done, Milan!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/milan-seeks-to-prevent-post-crisis-return-of-traffic-pollution


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    #411
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    Seriously frustrating to see all these cities doing positive things for pedestrians and cyclists, while many of our local authorities do nothing.


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    #412
    celtcia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 37 ✭celtcia


    Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »
    Seriously frustrating to see all these cities doing positive things for pedestrians and cyclists, while many of our local authorities do nothing.


    What ideas to improve things do you have?


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    #413
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    celtcia wrote: »
    What ideas to improve things do you have?

    All multilane roads should have a lane removed and a cycle lane and jogway installed . Remove on street parking and loading bays. A massive clamp down on illegal and footpath parking


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    #414
    blackbox
    Registered Users Posts: 4,232 ✭✭✭blackbox


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    All multilane roads should have a lane removed and a cycle lane and jogway installed . Remove on street parking and loading bays. A massive clamp down on illegal and footpath parking

    I have some sympathy for cycle lanes, but jogways have to be a joke.


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    #415
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    What's the point in more lanes for bikes and pedestrians? I've walked around Dublin a few times during the lockdown and it's empty, also cycled to office a couple of times. Cars are speeding faster is all I've noticed, but there's far less of them.


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    #416
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    blackbox wrote: »
    I have some sympathy for cycle lanes, but jogways have to be a joke.

    If we can have road space for polluting boxes, we can have road space for those wanting to keep fit.


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    #417
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    What's the point in more lanes for bikes and pedestrians? I've walked around Dublin a few times during the lockdown and it's empty, also cycled to office a couple of times. Cars are speeding faster is all I've noticed, but there's far less of them.

    Because it's not just about during the lockdown.

    The current restrictions on movement will be reduced in the coming weeks. Social distancing will remain in place until there's a vaccine. Which could be over a year from now.

    By June, the city centre will have increased footfall, narrow footpaths, crowded bus stops and crowded buses. We know it's coming. Why not do the intelligent thing now? We can't have crowded public spaces, we can't have crowded public transport. We need wider footpaths, pedestrianised streets and more bike lanes to offer people an alternative to public transport. That's why all the other cities are doing it. Because they've thought it through beyond today and next week.

    We will probably end up having to scramble to reduce infection when we literally knew what was going to happen.


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    #418
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Peregrine wrote: »
    We can't have crowded public spaces, we can't have crowded public transport. We need wider footpaths, pedestrianised streets and more bike lanes to offer people an alternative to public transport. That's why all the other cities are doing it. Because they've thought it through beyond today and next week.

    We will probably end up having to scramble to reduce infection when we literally knew what was going to happen.

    Right but private cars are and have always been priority in Dublin and Ireland. There would be uproar if their space was limited. Can't see it happening here.


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    #419
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Right but private cars are and have always been priority in Dublin and Ireland. There would be uproar if their space was limited. Can't see it happening here.

    Not with that attitude. Authorities have the biggest trump card possible: public health. It trumps parking every day of the week. We don't live in normal times. We've shut down most businesses and you can be fined for being caught on a non-essential journey. All in the name of public health with little resistance. These are things that would have resulted in a revolution three months ago. Removing one lane for public health isn't what's going to cause uproar.

    We're not the only city that's been prioritising motor traffic. Half of the cities that took radical temporary measures are American cities with worse car dominance than us.

    City centre roads and parking spaces are empty because most people who use them don't live anywhere near them. DCC could easily make changes now without motorists even noticing, let alone give out.


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    #420
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    blackbox wrote: »
    I have some sympathy for cycle lanes, but jogways have to be a joke.

    Why? A single traffic lane is wide enough to a cycle lane and joggers or faster walkers


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    #421
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Right but private cars are and have always been priority in Dublin and Ireland. There would be uproar if their space was limited. Can't see it happening here.

    Always claims of uproars , yet when it happens there is only a wimper from the absolutely selfish


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