Farming Chitchat 10/10- Now VIRUS-FREE!

Mortelaro · 19-04-2020 08:27PM

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

What is the reason for the 25% - is it only in the event of a compulsory purchase?

If so, what’s the idea behind it?

Is there a lot of farmland bought by CPO at present?
I thought the greens were against any new motorways, and were all about public transport, so not sure where CPOs come into play there?

The 1973 kenny report
That's where the 25% figure comes from...

files.nesc.ie › nesc_reportsPDF
Housing Supply and Land - National Economic & Social Council

Copy and paste that into your browser

straight · 19-04-2020 08:34PM

Say my name wrote: »

This is what the Greens meant by negotiations haven't finished yet but we're nearly there.

Mortelaro got there with the question I was going to ask about what happens when a few farmers or business people bid to the cap.
Will the farmer or business person be prioritised or will it be adjoining land owners prioritised.
Ha! ..we've become France..

I don't agree with it but it would make farmland more affordable for the genuine farmer. All the nice places are snapped up by the guys with the windfall money.

Water John · 19-04-2020 08:42PM

Long long time since the price of farmland reflected the profit of what it could produce.

Say my name · 19-04-2020 08:44PM

straight wrote: »

I don't agree with it but it would make farmland more affordable for the genuine farmer. All the nice places are snapped up by the guys with the windfall money.

If it fell that way like France I'd be in favour.

You only have to look to New Zealand where it was unregulated free market where the model was to build up the holding and then sell it for your retirement. Grand if everyone does the same. Not grand when Chinese investors are the highest bidder with no intentions of selling in the future.

Bit like here and Coolmore.

Mortelaro · 19-04-2020 08:59PM

straight wrote: »

I don't agree with it but it would make farmland more affordable for the genuine farmer. All the nice places are snapped up by the guys with the windfall money.

Guess what Round my area land is 14k to 20k an acre...
Only justifiable if the plan is the grand children finish off the loan

Keep Sluicing · 19-04-2020 09:21PM

My uncle was onto me today to look at an issue in his area. A neighbour of his who was reclaiming land he had bought about 5 or 6 years ago, knocked a ditch and make a roadway of about 60 meters to the public road through what he thinks is about a half acre of commaonage! He they proceeded to reclaim the half acre.
Now my uncle cant 100% gaurentee it is commonage, but he and his other neighbour always had it in their heads that it was.
How can i find this out? And if it is /was commonage, can it be bought by an individual.

ganmo · 19-04-2020 10:28PM

The first step would be land direct.ie to buy the folio and maps

Keep Sluicing · 19-04-2020 10:50PM

ganmo wrote: »

The first step would be land direct.ie to buy the folio and maps

I'll investigate that tomorrow. Any idea how much the maps cost?

Say my name · 19-04-2020 11:06PM

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

I'll investigate that tomorrow. Any idea how much the maps cost?

€25 I think. It's around that anyway.

Good loser · 20-04-2020 12:37AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Most of the Sunday newspapers have it that FF and FG have now agreed to hold a referendum ASAP to take away your property rights capping the value of your land at 25% above current market value

Why in God's name are FF/FG proposing that? It's more like a SF/PBP policy.

Would be pretty sure a referendum like that would be lost.

The free market is the best judge of what market value is for land - and most other things for that matter. If buyer and seller agree on a price as happens in every transaction that should determine the matter. Otherwise the cap is only transferring value from the seller to the buyer and why should the State favour one over the other?

longgonesilver · 20-04-2020 01:32AM

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

I'll investigate that tomorrow. Any idea how much the maps cost?

Think I saw 5 for something and forty more for everything, somewhere in boards recently, if that makes sense.

If your uncle has a claim on commanage it might be listed on his own deeds.

I would guess that the owner went to America years ago and was never heard of since.

ganmo · 20-04-2020 01:47AM

Say my name wrote: »

€25 I think. It's around that anyway.

I think its 20 quid for the folio and 20 more for the map printed and posted

Say my name · 20-04-2020 07:02AM

ganmo wrote: »

I think its 20 quid for the folio and 20 more for the map printed and posted

You can get the folio number online and then you have to use that on landdirect or can call in to their offices.

It's not major anyway. I was nearly going through all that last year.

_Brian · 20-04-2020 10:22AM

Both schools had a list of work out this morning before 9:30

Secondary school have an online platform to upload work and teachers correct it there.

National school have a class specific email address for work to be returned to and it’s corrected and feeedback given.

We’d be happy to finish out the school year working like this.

Hard Knocks · 20-04-2020 10:48AM

Signed up to new scheme
Has anyone received the sample containers for faecal sampling yet?
Generally get it done through vet before dosing,
Afraid it wouldn’t be accepted by scheme

Kevhog1988 · 20-04-2020 10:50AM

Would anyone have an old chain harrow knocking around?. Want to gunter one for paddocks.

Panch18 · 20-04-2020 11:44AM

Good loser wrote: »

Why in God's name are FF/FG proposing that? It's more like a SF/PBP policy.

Would be pretty sure a referendum like that would be lost.

The free market is the best judge of what market value is for land - and most other things for that matter. If buyer and seller agree on a price as happens in every transaction that should determine the matter. Otherwise the cap is only transferring value from the seller to the buyer and why should the State favour one over the other?

This is some joke

But i wouldn't be so sure it would be defeated in a referendum. You can be damn sure that everybody would be saying this would see the end to the "housing crisis" as land could be bought cheaper and houses therefore cheaper etc etc.

I think it would pass

this ducking "housing crisis" is the greatest con job ever in the history of Ireland - there isn't a housing crisis. What you have is a cohort of people who are demanding free housing of the highest standard in the exact areas they want. And they want someone else to pay for it.

Odelay · 20-04-2020 12:13PM

Good loser wrote: »

Why in God's name are FF/FG proposing that? It's more like a SF/PBP policy.

Would be pretty sure a referendum like that would be lost.

The free market is the best judge of what market value is for land - and most other things for that matter. If buyer and seller agree on a price as happens in every transaction that should determine the matter. Otherwise the cap is only transferring value from the seller to the buyer and why should the State favour one over the other?

I think it would win in a referendum. Far more individuals looking to buy/get a free house than landowners.

Nekarsulm · 20-04-2020 12:15PM

Government have proposed some equally astonishing things.
Before the election FG were proposing to pass into law that all abuse case files be closed and locked for 70 years....
From any position, legally, morally, or from any humanitarian aspect, that stinks to high heaven.

roosterman71 · 20-04-2020 12:38PM

Anyone ever use Hurler spray on docks? Bought some as the place is infested with the ****ers this year

KatyMac · 20-04-2020 01:04PM

I know this has been done before, but I feeling awful stupid this afternoon. I've uploaded a couple of pics from my phone of my pet goat and got them as far as the desktop but how do I get them as far as putting them where ye can see them? We have had such entertainment from her these past few weeks. She has made lock-down more bearable for my girls. She is about 6 weeks old and doing mighty.

greysides · 20-04-2020 02:13PM

KatyMac wrote: »

I know this has been done before, but I feeling awful stupid this afternoon. I've uploaded a couple of pics from my phone of my pet goat and got them as far as the desktop but how do I get them as far as putting them where ye can see them? We have had such entertainment from her these past few weeks. She has made lock-down more bearable for my girls. She is about 6 weeks old and doing mighty.

Use 'Post Reply' (bottom left of page) rather than Quick Reply. Then scroll down on the new page to 'Manage Attachments' and follow your nose...

gozunda · 20-04-2020 02:33PM

Bull calves export and being killed was just discussed on Moncrief Radio programme. Some one from " Ethical farming Ireland' with an English accent being interviewed

Claimed staff at lairages at EU ports still mistreating animals as was reported by the usual groups and that the Dept of Ag reassurances have supposedly not made any differences

That allegedly 1000s were been killed purely due to Covid and that exports were a huge risk with lorries and whatnot going in and out of the country. Veal demand across the EU down.

Also hilariously claim we'ed all starved if we couldn't get supplies of all the imported fruit and veg. Oh and funnily enough that we should increase horticultural production and 'plant based diets'

Balanced discussion it was not.

Kevhog1988 · 20-04-2020 03:52PM

_Brian wrote: »

Both schools had a list of work out this morning before 9:30

Secondary school have an online platform to upload work and teachers correct it there.

National school have a class specific email address for work to be returned to and it’s corrected and feeedback given.

We’d be happy to finish out the school year working like this.

I have my little lad now full time as its better for him to be out here than stuck in a town. I would have rathered the school stuff be sent last night so i could print it and have ready for him.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 20-04-2020 04:33PM

Wow!
https://twitter.com/markets/status/1252255694721605632?s=19

Say my name · 20-04-2020 05:13PM

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Wow!
https://twitter.com/markets/status/1252255694721605632?s=19

How do I buy this?

Kevhog1988 · 20-04-2020 05:13PM

when applying for a flock number do the department inspect at the moment or whats the story around covid 19?.

blue5000 · 20-04-2020 05:47PM

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Wow!
https://twitter.com/markets/status/1252255694721605632?s=19

Well that's fracking fcuked anyway:D.

Next problem is demand is so slack they won't physically be able to store what's above ground

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/20/838521862/free-falling-oil-prices-keep-diving-as-demand-disappears?t=1587401533394

Odelay · 20-04-2020 06:26PM

blue5000 wrote: »

Well that's fracking fcuked anyway:D.

Next problem is demand is so slack they won't physically be able to store what's above ground

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/20/838521862/free-falling-oil-prices-keep-diving-as-demand-disappears?t=1587401533394

True. I've heard some industries cannot enough green diesel because the big storage depots are full of aviation fuel, and had to take in the fuel in transit on ships. That had to go into stores normally used for green.

roosterman71 · 20-04-2020 06:33PM

Filling the tanks at home tomorrow. 1:03 for road diesel for the car, and I think 47c for the tractor stuff

Farming Chitchat 10/10- Now VIRUS-FREE!

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