The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:08AM

Ok.

It's getting confusing.

People are saying she wouldn't have had any benefit from the 8k due to SF rules

Now we're saying she may have benefited because not everyone is following them?

Which is it?

16-04-2020 11:11AM

limnam wrote: »

Ok.

It's getting confusing.

People are saying she wouldn't have had any benefit from the 8k due to SF rules

Now we're saying she may have benefited because not everyone is following them?

Which is it?

They make it up as they go along.

Me, I’m peed off that SF aren’t in government at the moment and giving everyone out of work due to Covid 19 the average industrial wage. That X 2 would be twice what Skinflint FG are giving us.

16-04-2020 11:13AM

limnam wrote: »

Hasn't fooled anyone twice (yet)

I think the debt is about 12k? (open to correction before Shefwedfan creams himself)

If we believe she's in minimum wage with 5 kids.

paying rent etc

How long would it take to get 12k up

To add to that, I don't know if she hasn't paid it

No one seems to want to ask her. Just accuse without proof while announcing everything else as BS.

Interesting discussion all the same.

She’s been asked has she paid it numerous times on her Facebook account and she always ignores the question.

Where’s the minimum wage coming from? She also has a partner. Does he work?

eeepaulo · 16-04-2020 11:13AM

limnam wrote: »

No problem.

I don't care what figure we use.

So are we taking median? average?

Take any.

Take 5 kids/rent etc

What's our average disposable and how long will it take to put 18.5k together?

Its really really simple, roughly 63 euro a week for 4 years + 63 euro a week for a further 2 years.

People who live in the real world pay it as it is due.

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

They make it up as they go along.

Me, I’m peed off that SF aren’t in government at the moment and giving everyone out of work due to Covid 19 the average industrial wage. That X 2 would be twice what Skinflint FG are giving us.

This is good, progress.

So she's as likely to have benefited from the 8ke she's giving back to the state as she is not to have.

I'll take that.

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:18AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

She’s been asked has she paid it numerous times on her Facebook account and she always ignores the question.

Where’s the minimum wage coming from? She also has a partner. Does he work?

Average ind wage. Whatever figure they're using. I'm happy to use it.

I don't know of his current circumstances. He wasn't working at the time and based on her current salary financially he wouldn't be entitled to anything now i'd say.

Shefwedfan · 16-04-2020 11:20AM

limnam wrote: »

Hasn't fooled anyone twice (yet)

I think the debt is about 12k? (open to correction before Shefwedfan creams himself)

If we believe she's in minimum wage with 5 kids.

paying rent etc

How long would it take to get 12k up

To add to that, I don't know if she hasn't paid it

No one seems to want to ask her. Just accuse without proof while announcing everything else as BS.

Interesting discussion all the same.

:rolleyes:

StupidLikeAFox · 16-04-2020 11:20AM

limnam wrote: »

Average ind wage. Whatever figure they're using. I'm happy to use it.

I don't know of his current circumstances. He wasn't working at the time and based on her current salary financially he wouldn't be entitled to anything now i'd say.

Just to be clear she is not being paid the average industrial wage. She is being paid around €90k + expenses and chooses to donate a portion of that to her political party

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:21AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

:rolleyes:

One of your better posts.

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:22AM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Just to be clear she is not being paid the average industrial wage. She is being paid around €90k + expenses and chooses to donate a portion of that to her political party

Oh,

That's not the impression I was getting here yesterday.

Apparently there some sort of SF rule that no source was provided for that SF sets the wage and she would never have any benifit from the 8k that was returned.

Hard to keep up with anti SF's story.

Pick one lads.

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:24AM

So if the the salary is 96k? (Shefwedfan can keep us honest here)

8k back to state.

Takes avg ind of 40k

Based on that is 50k going to SF?

OR can you provide us with the break down of her take home pay based on SF rules?

16-04-2020 11:26AM

Her basic salary is 96,189. She can claim numerous expenses on top of that. That’s 8 grand a month gross.

She was evicted and eventually left that house in 2017. Average rent in Clare at that time was 700 pcm.

On 8 grand per month gross, a rent of 700 (approx) would hardly be an issue.

Considering that she was earning and managing to raise a family on a much much lower income prior to the election. She could well afford to pay her debt off at a grand a month over 12 months.

DO THE RIGHT AND JUST THING VIOLET!

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:30AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Her basic salary is 96,189. She can claim numerous expenses on top of that. That’s 8 grand a month gross.

She was evicted and eventually left that house in 2017. Average rent in Clare at that time was 700 pcm.

On 8 grand per month gross, a rent of 700 (approx) would hardly be an issue.

Considering that she was earning and managing to raise a family on a much much lower income prior to the election. She could well afford to pay her debt off at a grand a month over 12 months.

DO THE RIGHT AND JUST THING VIOLET!

Wait.

If SF rules are avg ind wage.

She' getting 40k?

One lot of you are saying she's getting avg ind wage. Won't lose out on giving the 8k

The other lot are sayng she's on 96k+ so she would have benifited from the 8k she gave back to the state

Which is it?

16-04-2020 11:33AM

limnam wrote: »

Wait.

If SF rules are avg ind wage.

She' getting 40k?

One lot of you are saying she's getting avg ind wage. Won't lose out on giving the 8k

The other lot are sayng she's on 96k+ so she would have benifited from the 8k she gave back to the state

Which is it?

A TDs salary is 96k. I don’t know what she does with that income (apart from not paying her debts).

What was yer woman called who ran in the presidential election? Didn’t she harp on about getting an industrial wage and it turned out what she was saying was bull****?

Reganio 2 · 16-04-2020 11:35AM

limnam wrote: »

Wait.

If SF rules are avg ind wage.

She' getting 40k?

One lot of you are saying she's getting avg ind wage. Won't lose out on giving the 8k

The other lot are sayng she's on 96k+ so she would have benifited from the 8k she gave back to the state

Which is it?

I don’t know which but does it matter? She owes money, pay it back. Why does it have to be one lump sum. Pay it back by whatever she can. Like anybody else in the country would have to.

StupidLikeAFox · 16-04-2020 11:35AM

limnam wrote: »

Wait.

If SF rules are avg ind wage.

She' getting 40k?

One lot of you are saying she's getting avg ind wage. Won't lose out on giving the 8k

The other lot are sayng she's on 96k+ so she would have benifited from the 8k she gave back to the state

Which is it?

I am saying she can afford to pay her debts but chooses not to

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:35AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

A TDs salary is 96k. I don’t know what she does with that income (apart from not paying her debts).

What was yer woman called who ran in the presidential election? Didn’t she harp on about getting an industrial wage and it turned out what she was saying was bull****?

Oh it could very well be BS.

But there was lads here yesterday stating everyone and thier granny knows the money goes to SF. I was called a source bore when asking for evidence.

Now you're saying that could be BS.

There's a lot of BS going around lads. A lot of BS.

Can you have chat among yourselves. Pick a line you's want to take and stick to it so we don't chop and change the rules.

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:37AM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

I am saying she can afford to pay her debts but chooses not to

If the line anti SF posters yesterdays were claiming she'll only get avg ind wage which is 40k

With 5 kids etc

Then your statement wouldn't hold true

limnam · 16-04-2020 11:38AM

Reganio 2 wrote: »

I don’t know which but does it matter? She owes money, pay it back. Why does it have to be one lump sum. Pay it back by whatever she can. Like anybody else in the country would have to.

Do they?

How many mortgage defaulters were there between 2006 and 2018?

Far from everyone pays back what they owe.

Edgware · 16-04-2020 11:42AM

Say it aint so Violet

Reganio 2 · 16-04-2020 11:47AM

limnam wrote: »

Do they?

How many mortgage defaulters were there between 2006 and 2018?

Far from everyone pays back what they owe.

Did she default? Nearly feel like saying did you default given how passionate you are about it.

16-04-2020 12:08PM

limnam wrote: »

Wait.

If SF rules are avg ind wage.

She' getting 40k?

One lot of you are saying she's getting avg ind wage. Won't lose out on giving the 8k

The other lot are sayng she's on 96k+ so she would have benifited from the 8k she gave back to the state

Which is it?

If you read the link I’ve already provided, they are no longer expected to take the average industrial wage. As her partner doesn’t work and they’ve got a lot of kids, she can keep the lot. Plus huge expenses.

It might be a good idea if you take some time out and do some research. Or just go for a walk. Or spring clean a room, cut grass, spray weeds, etc.

blanch152 · 16-04-2020 12:38PM

limnam wrote: »

Oh it could very well be BS.

But there was lads here yesterday stating everyone and thier granny knows the money goes to SF. I was called a source bore when asking for evidence.

Now you're saying that could be BS.

There's a lot of BS going around lads. A lot of BS.

Can you have chat among yourselves. Pick a line you's want to take and stick to it so we don't chop and change the rules.

The only thing we know for certain is that she didn't pay her debts and let a charity go out of business.

Shefwedfan · 16-04-2020 01:22PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The only thing we know for certain is that she didn't pay her debts and let a charity go out of business.

Plus by not paying made sure other people stayed on the street

Jamie2k9 · 16-04-2020 01:25PM

limnam wrote: »

Wait.

If SF rules are avg ind wage.

She' getting 40k?

One lot of you are saying she's getting avg ind wage. Won't lose out on giving the 8k

The other lot are sayng she's on 96k+ so she would have benifited from the 8k she gave back to the state

Which is it?

I could be wrong but think SF take the full wage and use the rest to employ pa, constituency offices etc.

Whatever way it works they don't just claim 40k from exchequer.

Quin_Dub · 16-04-2020 01:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also, not all TDs need take average industrial wage.

“ For years, Sinn Féin TDs claimed to take the average industrial wage, which is currently around €40,000.

Two years ago, the party loosened this policy.

However, Mr Tóibín said Sinn Féin TDs could always make cases to retain their full salary.

"They definitely did make exceptions around personal circumstance and there was flexibility around it, but in the main it was adhered to up until a couple of years ago and then they started to review it," he said.

The Meath West TD said the salary policy "didn't make sense" because in some instances party members could not afford to send their children to third-level education as they did not qualify for grants because their official salary was €96,189 per year.”
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/sf-made-exceptions-on-average-industrial-wage-policy-to-allow-some-tds-to-draw-full-salary-claims-toibin-38905914.html

Just another point on this one.

They are NOT being paid the average industrial wage - They are taking the average industrial wage NET , not Gross.

So the take home is ~40k (38k I think is the actual figure) , which is FAR in excess of the take home of someone actually on the Average Industrial wage. And that's before they add the healthy expenses on top of that.

What they chose to do with their money is up to them , but this canard of "Average Industrial wage" is a 100% con-job to make them appear more connected with their target voter demographic.

Also it's not like they are donating all the money to charity - They are spending it on party activities to help get candidates elected.

So , the average Independent TD is doing exactly the same - Spending their own money on clinics etc. etc. , they are just not trying to pretend that they are altruistically living on the average industrial wage.

limnam · 16-04-2020 01:54PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The only thing we know for certain is that she didn't pay her debts and let a charity go out of business.

FG pulling funding had more impact

If one person falling behind could cause it go go out of business there was no business in the first place

limnam · 16-04-2020 01:55PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Plus by not paying made sure other people stayed on the street

If only there was a government providing housing.....

limnam · 16-04-2020 01:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you read the link I’ve already provided, they are no longer expected to take the average industrial wage. As her partner doesn’t work and they’ve got a lot of kids, she can keep the lot. Plus huge expenses.

Oh I know.

Hence her giving back 8k to the state is money she would have gained from.

limnam · 16-04-2020 02:01PM

Reganio 2 wrote: »

Did she default? Nearly feel like saying did you default given how passionate you are about it.

And you would be very original to do so.

You wouldn't be the first gob****e to call me Violet

The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

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