Dr Hulsey WTC7 findings for people who not aware of this new study.

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-04-2020 05:10PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Your interpretation of it is wrong.

This is not about "convincing" you of anything

You are claiming some inside job happened, you haven't demonstrated that at all, quite the contrary your "story" changes a lot

A military plane hit the Pentagon, then it didn't. Larry Silverstein blew up WTC 7, then he didn't.

You aren't making any case.

It not wrong. I can quote there statements and have before. You just don't see the problem and why their theory then ruling out freefall is a problem for truthers.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 05:11PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Double standards. Hulsey draft report when it was released was not taken seriously. Why is NIST draft paper any better, when they denied free fall?

It's incredible. Neverending denial of an investigation in order to hint at something vague and unsupported

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 05:15PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It not wrong.

By definition it's wrong.

The building fell due to fire. You are attempting to revise historically accepted fact with a theory that exists only in your head.

Okay, cool, but when we ask for the theory you immediately start this bizarre behaviour

This is not normal

02-04-2020 05:15PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You provided their revision explantation for freefall.
What do they say on video about freefall in Aug 2008?
Provide their theory about it then.
Can you not do that or just afraid to be proven wrong?

No, I just know that you're going to run away the second you realise you can't address it.

So, in the video you keep posting, when they refer to freefall, they are referring to the building as a whole freefalling.
At the time, the popular conspiracy theory belief was that the building as a whole fell completely at freefall from the start of the collapse. This can be shown in conspiracy movies like "Loose Change" and in many older threads here where many conspiracy theorists claim this and/or claim the building fell in around 7 seconds. (Ie. the time it would take the building as a whole to collapse if it was falling at free fall for the entire time.)

So when they talk about freefall in the video you keep posting, when they say "the building didn't free fall" they mean that "the building as a whole did not fall entirely at free fall."
This is something you've agreed with at points.
And this is correct as the building took much longer than 7 seconds to fall.
If the building took longer than 7 seconds to fall this means it didn't free fall all the way down.

Nothing about the statement excludes the idea that part of the building fell at free fall.
Nothing about the statement excludes the idea that the building or part of the building fell at free fall for a part of the collapse.

Now I've tried to make that as clear and simple as I could.
In your response, simple point out what part of that you believe is incorrect and why.

I'm betting however, you're going to start deflecting again.

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-04-2020 05:15PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's incredible. Neverending denial of an investigation in order to hint at something vague and unsupported

NIST denied freefall in Aug 2008 on video. Video of people who did the investigation!.. It not a person opinion. NIST said on video that was unlikely and then listed the reasons why freefall was not possible. Debunkers of course don't look at this, as evidence of a cover up.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 05:23PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

NIST denied freefall in Aug 2008 on video. Video of people who did the investigation!

Repeating something you misinterpreted over and over doesn't make it any more true.

There is a simple explanation, but you don't want to accept for whatever reasons.

As mentioned this isn't about convincing you, but you keep trying to twist it that way

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-04-2020 05:35PM

King Mob wrote: »

No, I just know that you're going to run away the second you realise you can't address it.

So, in the video you keep posting, when they refer to freefall, they are referring to the building as a whole freefalling.
At the time, the popular conspiracy theory belief was that the building as a whole fell completely at freefall from the start of the collapse. This can be shown in conspiracy movies like "Loose Change" and in many older threads here where many conspiracy theorists claim this and/or claim the building fell in around 7 seconds. (Ie. the time it would take the building as a whole to collapse if it was falling at free fall for the entire time.)

So when they talk about freefall in the video you keep posting, when they say "the building didn't free fall" they mean that "the building as a whole did not fall entirely at free fall."
This is something you've agreed with at points.
And this is correct as the building took much longer than 7 seconds to fall.
If the building took longer than 7 seconds to fall this means it didn't free fall all the way down.

Nothing about the statement excludes the idea that part of the building fell at free fall.
Nothing about the statement excludes the idea that the building or part of the building fell at free fall for a part of the collapse.

Now I've tried to make that as clear and simple as I could.
In your response, simple point out what part of that you believe is incorrect and why.

I'm betting however, you're going to start deflecting again.

Wrong. David Chandler told them the time on that video. NIST denied that time because of a single data point. They claimed it fell "40 percent slower" then freefall on video. There was no freefall accounted for in their scenario over the 18 stories.

NIST even went further and said a freefall time would mean there was no structural components below to slow the fall!

What their research showed in Aug 2008, was the freefall event was off by 40 percent and the structural model could not account for that slower time.

NIST again explantation.
That's not unusual that time would be longer because there was structural resistance underneath slowing the fall and sequence of failures needed to happen first (progressive collapse) and none of the failures occurred instantaneously. NIST calculations ruled out freefall if you listen to the video and there model could come up with a scenario to have the freefall.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 05:41PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Wrong.

It's not wrong

Why do you feel so threatened by logic that you have to react like this?

02-04-2020 05:41PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Wrong.

See, I asked you to do one thing and you didn't and now you're running off on tangents to deflect.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

David Chandler told them the time on that video. NIST denied that time because of a single data point.

Wrong.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

They claimed it fell 40 per cent slower then freefall on video.

So what is the correct percentage? Or did the building fall at 100% free fall?

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There was no freefall accounted for in their scenario over the 18 stories.

Meaningless sentence.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

NIST even went further and said a freefall time would mean there was no structural components below to slow the fall.

Again, you are misinterpreting and ignoring things so you can keep repeating this point.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

What their research showed in Aug 2008, was freefall event was off by 40 per cent and structural model could not account for that slower time.

Wrong.

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-04-2020 05:41PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's not wrong

Why do you feel so threatened by logic that you have to react like this?

Watch the video and show me Where I misquoted them.

02-04-2020 05:43PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Watch the video and show me Where I misquoted them.

We're not saying you misquoted them. We're saying you don't understand their statement and you are misinterpreting what they said.

Do you know what the word "misinterpreting" means?

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-04-2020 05:44PM

King Mob wrote: »

See, I asked you to do one thing and you didn't and now you're running off on tangents to deflect.

Wrong.

So what is the correct percentage? Or did the building fall at 100% free fall?

Meaningless sentence.

Again, you are misinterpreting and ignoring things so you can keep repeating this point.

Wrong.

Fact you say this I know you have not watched the video and yet you still provide an opinion. You spend so much time on here 10 minutes of your time, watching it and listening will get you up to speed.

02-04-2020 05:47PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Fact you say this I know you have not watched the video and yet you still provide an opinion. You spend so much time on here 10 minutes of your time, watching it and listening will get you up to speed.

Lol, I have watched the video. It's not very good and it misinterprets the same things you do.

You are just deflecting and moving on to different points as predicted.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 05:52PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Fact you say this I know you have not watched the video and yet you still provide an opinion. You spend so much time on here 10 minutes of your time, watching it and listening will get you up to speed.

Posters have been patient enough to explain this to you in plain English, but you refuse the explanation

Why should they keep having to re-explain the same thing to you?

That's not reasonable behavior

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-04-2020 08:54PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I thought you said you were in the British army on another thread? Or is that a job you did later? It's one aspect of the work i did. It lot more complicated then you think. You have to cut steel into different shapes and angles and it's precision work and have a good steady hand for that. Most truthers have no clue how to read constructiion drawings, i have some knowledge about that.

You claiming welder not used when steel framed buildings are build?

I was, when I was 18. Welding steel for refrigerators and welding steel for high rise buildings are 2 totally different things and 2 totally different types of welding. A real welder would know this

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-04-2020 02:31PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You are mainly referring to secret Nazi's correct, like actual descendants of German Nazi's who fled Germany after the war, who, according to you didn't kill 6 million Jews, those ones right?

It’s not thought in Westerns schools this info, the post-war Nazis backed the Islamic jihad against the west and jews for decades. I suspect there is Nazi sympathisers in the US government that wanted a holy war in the middle east with the Muslims and Jews slaughtering each other and therefore they allowed 9/11 to happen.

It is no conicidence the main group, the 9/11 pilots came to be known as the Hamburg Cell. Finance for this operation was traced to banks in the Middle East that were partily owned by neo Nazis and post war Nazis after the war.

Yes i believe there is a network of fascists who operate in the shadows and every now again they come out and expose themselves ( 9/11 and JFK are examples)

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2020 03:06PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It’s not thought in Westerns schools this info, the post-war Nazis backed the Islamic jihad against the west and jews for decades. I suspect there is Nazi sympathisers in the US government that wanted a holy war in the middle east with the Muslims and Jews slaughtering each other and therefore they allowed 9/11 to happen.

It is no conicidence the main group, the 9/11 pilots came to be known as the Hamburg Cell. Finance for this operation was traced to banks in the Middle East that were partily owned by neo Nazis and post war Nazis after the war.

Yes i believe there is a network of fascists who operate in the shadows and every now again they come out and expose themselves ( 9/11 and JFK are examples)

Would you say these Nazi descendants want to use the pandemic to take power in the US?

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-04-2020 03:56PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It’s not thought in Westerns schools this info, the post-war Nazis backed the Islamic jihad against the west and jews for decades. I suspect there is Nazi sympathisers in the US government that wanted a holy war in the middle east with the Muslims and Jews slaughtering each other and therefore they allowed 9/11 to happen.

It is no conicidence the main group, the 9/11 pilots came to be known as the Hamburg Cell. Finance for this operation was traced to banks in the Middle East that were partily owned by neo Nazis and post war Nazis after the war.

Yes i believe there is a network of fascists who operate in the shadows and every now again they come out and expose themselves ( 9/11 and JFK are examples)

Can you show what schools it is taught in?

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-04-2020 04:10PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Would you say these Nazi descendants want to use the pandemic to take power in the US?

Most of the characters associated and involved with the shadow government see the world differently. Overthrow of the current US government, it be replaced with a government that’s militaristic/corporate and be far right leaning. Are some of them descendents of Nazi war criminals? It’s difficult to identify after this long of a period of time after the war.

It is going to be difficult for the shadow government to takeover when the virus is not destroying the market yet. Plus, they are not getting their way with Trump in power. He's trying to get everyone to go back to work and use different viral medicines to fight the virus. The establishment telling you nothing can open till we get a Pharma vaccine! Trump right in a way you sink the global economy if you keep everything closed down. So in my mind there is a opposing deep state groups skirmishing behind the scenes.

Regards the Nazis after WW2
The post-war Nazis most of them are now deceased. Yet i have no doubt in my mind they created a criminal and economic international shadow network after the war and this continued on for decades. I believe this group was associated and helped with the 9/11 attacks. I personally believe 9/11 was an international operation financed by state actors (saudi Arabia and Pakistan) and neo nazis bankers. The rogue right-wing element inside the shadow/ US goverment just approved it and allowed it to happen.

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2020 04:14PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Most of the characters associated and involved with the shadow government see the world differently. Overthrow of the current US government, it be replaced with a government that’s militaristic/corporate and be far right leaning. Are some of them descendents of Nazi war criminals? It’s difficult to identify after this long of a period of time after the war.

It is going to be difficult for the shadow government to takeover when the virus is not destroying the market yet. Plus, they are not getting their way with Trump in power. He's trying to get everyone to go back to work and use different viral medicines to fight the virus. The establishment telling you nothing can open till we get a Pharma vaccine! Trump right in a way you sink the global economy if you keep everything closed down. So in my mind there is a opposing deep state groups skirmishing behind the scenes.

Regards the Nazis after WW2
The post-war Nazis most of them are now deceased. Yet i have no doubt in my mind they created a criminal and economic international shadow network after the war and this continued on for decades. I believe this group was associated and helped with the 9/11 attacks. I personally believe 9/11 was an international operation financed by state actors (saudi Arabia and Pakistan) and neo nazis bankers. The rogue right-wing element inside the shadow/ US goverment just approved it and allowed it to happen.

This shadow government, would you say any of them are Jews?

IAMAMORON · 11-04-2020 04:20PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Regards the Nazis after WW2
The post-war Nazis most of them are now deceased. Yet i have no doubt in my mind they created a criminal and economic international shadow network after the war and this continued on for decades. I believe this group was associated and helped with the 9/11 attacks. I personally believe 9/11 was an international operation financed by state actors (saudi Arabia and Pakistan) and neo nazis bankers. The rogue right-wing element inside the shadow/ US goverment just approved it and allowed it to happen.

Ah here?

From a beef ranch in Argentina?

Who would have thought? I can really see how they manged to meander the Suez crisis whilst keeping Mossad at bay. They have done remarkably well to get from a Belin bunker in 1945, across enemies lines to Hamburg to board a U-boat which sailed underwater to Montevideo and across River Plate to Buenes Aires.... I suppose once they had avoided Nuremburg they felt they may as well crack on?

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-04-2020 04:26PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This shadow government, would you say any of them are Jews?

Depends on what their program to transform the world is. If their objective is to wipe out Muslims then Jews could be involved.

Personally I determine the 9/11 plane operation was to hit the west and start a war. Chiefly backed by Sectarian leaders/military leaders in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and by neo- Nazis bankers and criminals.

The demolition of the buildings i have a harder time figuring out who performed that. I leave the door open some other rogue group hijacked that operation on 9/11 and used it for their own aims.

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-04-2020 04:33PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I thought it was right wing extremists looking to enlist African Americans into the army for slaughter in the Vietnamese Jungle? Seemingly they were increasingly disgruntled with the progress of the civil rights movement and were aware of the Kennedy's enamor for the African American community and other US minorities? Lyndon Johnson escalated US involvement in Vietnam within months of taking power, such was his quid pro quo?

Robert Kennedy, Jack Kennedy and Martin Luther King all taken down in the 60s. It clear as day this right wing shadow government heavily involved in all three of the murders.

IAMAMORON · 11-04-2020 04:38PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Personally I determine the 9/11 plane operation was to hit the west and start a war. Chiefly backed by Sectarian leaders/military leaders in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and by neo- Nazis bankers and criminals.

1) Sectarian leaders - which ones and from where exactly?
2) military leaders in Saudi Arabia
3) Pakistan
4) Neo Nazi Bankers
5) Criminals

I am struggling with this particular spectrum of conspirators. You are being too broad, at least pick a side? That is some coalition listed above?

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The demolition of the buildings i have a harder time figuring out who performed that. I leave the door open some other rogue group hijacked that operation on 9/11 and used it for their own aims.

Probably Mossad disguised as private electrical contractors. This is provable though via public records. Somebody somewhere procured a group of electricians to carry out fundamental developments of two sky scrapers in central New York in 2001. Just look up the accounts of the trade towers management company, that is tangible and traceable.

Coronavirus connection? ( sorry I don't want to sound like a bitch here )

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-04-2020 05:02PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

1) Sectarian leaders - which ones and from where exactly?
2) military leaders in Saudi Arabia
3) Pakistan
4) Neo Nazi Bankers
5) Criminals

I am struggling with this particular spectrum of conspirators. You are being too broad, at least pick a side? That is some coalition listed above?

Probably Mossad disguised as private electrical contractors. This is provable though via public records. Somebody somewhere procured a group of electricians to carry out fundamental developments of two sky scrapers in central New York in 2001. Just look up the accounts of the trade towers management company, that is tangible and traceable.

Coronavirus connection? ( sorry I don't want to sound like a bitch here )

I can’t because there needs to be an examination of the various conspirators and there a long complicated backstory. Just the tip of the iceberg.

Facts we know. The 9/11 families lawyers have got 11 names of people, many working for Saudi government. They helped and planned the operation with Al Qaeda. The most high profile one is Prince Bandar. During 9/11 he was the US/ Saudi ambassador. After 9/11 he came the head of Saudi Intelligence. We know money was being passed onto the 9/11 hijackers through a special account set up by his wife. There was bunch of Saudi spies then inside the US who then used this money to rent apartments, and pay for flying lessons for the hijackers before the attack. They had regular meetings.

We also know the second most powerful military ISI general in Pakistan wired Mohammed atta 100,000 dollars weeks before 9/11.

We also know money that got transferred was taking place in banks owned by neo- nazis who had long standing ties and connections to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. AL Qeada second in command Mohammed Ayman Zawahiri was a member of Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. The Nazis and radical muslim links are well known in the middle east.

All options are on the table for the demolitions on 9/11.

Right now the only connection is the right wing shadow government in place to remove the current government if the crisis got out of hand. I feel there is opposing deep state forces battling it to get economy open and others who want it to remain closed.

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2020 05:14PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I can’t because there needs to be an examination of the various conspirators and there a long complicated backstory. Just the tip of the iceberg.

Facts we know. The 9/11 families lawyers have got 11 names of people, many working for Saudi government. They helped and planned the operation with Al Qaeda. The most high profile one is Prince Bandar. During 9/11 he was the US/ Saudi ambassador. After 9/11 he came the head of Saudi Intelligence. We know money was being passed onto the 9/11 hijackers through a special account set up by his wife. There was bunch of Saudi spies then inside the US who then used this money to rent apartments, and pay for flying lessons for the hijackers before the attack. They had regular meetings.

We also know the second most powerful military ISI general in Pakistan wired Mohammed atta 100,000 dollars weeks before 9/11.

We also know money that got transferred was taking place in banks owned by neo- nazis who had long standing ties and connections to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. AL Qeada second in command Mohammed Ayman Zawahiri was a member of Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. The Nazis and radical muslim links are well known in the middle east.

All options are on the table for the demolitions on 9/11.

Right now the only connection is the right wing shadow government in place to remove the current government if the crisis got out of hand. I feel there is opposing deep state forces battling it to get economy open and others who want it to remain closed.

Why do you keep bringing in your personal views of 911 in a thread on Coronavirus? We've been warned about that several times

We're on the shadow government made up of Nazi's using Coronavirus to take over the US here..

IAMAMORON · 11-04-2020 05:15PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I can’t because there needs to be an examination of the various conspirators and there a long complicated backstory. Just the tip of the iceberg.

Facts we know. The 9/11 families lawyers have got 11 names of people, many working for Saudi government. They helped and planned the operation with Al Qaeda. The most high profile one is Prince Bandar. During 9/11 he was the US/ Saudi ambassador. After 9/11 he came the head of Saudi Intelligence. We know money was being passed onto the 9/11 hijackers through a special account set up by his wife. There was bunch of Saudi spies then inside the US who then used this money to rent apartments, and pay for flying lessons for the hijackers before the attack. They had regular meetings.

We also know the second most powerful military ISI general in Pakistan wired Mohammed atta 100,000 dollars weeks before 9/11.

We also know money that got transferred was taking place in banks owned by neo- nazis who had long standing ties and connections to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. AL Qeada second in command Mohammed Ayman Zawahiri was a member of Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. The Nazis and radical muslim links are well known in the middle east.

All options are on the table for the demolitions on 9/11.

Right now the only connection is the right wing shadow government in place to remove the current government if the crisis got out of hand. I feel there is opposing deep state forces battling it to get economy open and others who want it to remain closed.

You're throwing too many ducks in the air here, sorry. Conspiracies are organised and structured. They are obvious once you isolate one.

Your concept that a Royal Saudi Billionaire was in cahoots with a two bit Pakistani general whilst simultaneously funding Neo Nazi's liaising with liberal movements in northern Africa ( Egypt ) … is too far fetched and would not even get preliminary funding from a coked up Hollywood producer on a slow Saturday night in Malibu, sorry no sale.

You will be telling me that Prince Bandar is a humanoid reptile next? More believable in fairness, Corona virus connection also?

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-04-2020 05:28PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Why do you keep bringing in your personal views of 911 in a thread on Coronavirus? We've been warned about that several times

We're on the shadow government made up of Nazi's using Coronavirus to take over the US here..

They’re not personal views. Is is factual data that is confirmed, yet debunkers ignore and don’t care about it.
When major developments in history happen, and are not what they seem to be, i then question, is this new event a manufactured scare?

You missed the fact i brought up in this thread in the past, when one week after 9/11 America experienced an Anthrax biological attack. Of course the Muslims got blamed and letters were sent insisting the attack was done by jihadists. When actually, it turned out years later the weaponised anthrax came from Fort Detrick ( US army main bio security lab) it got leaked out.

What arose in Aug 2019? The CDC came in and closed down the Fort Dettrick facility. Just occurs after a mystery flu like illness reported by the media a month before?

Cheerful Spring2 · 11-04-2020 05:48PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You're throwing too many ducks in the air here, sorry. Conspiracies are organised and structured. They are obvious once you isolate one.

Your concept that a Royal Saudi Billionaire was in cahoots with a two bit Pakistani general whilst simultaneously funding Neo Nazi's liaising with liberal movements in northern Africa ( Egypt ) … is too far fetched and would not even get preliminary funding from a coked up Hollywood producer on a slow Saturday night in Malibu, sorry no sale.

You will be telling me that Prince Bandar is a humanoid reptile next? More believable in fairness, Corona virus connection also?

Not really everything i say is factual verified info. Even Biden knows what happened and he felt uncomfortable having to tell the truth.

Listen to his response, shows how little they care about finding out what truly happened on 9/11. They are problem the politicians and this guy running for President now.

It is no coincidence Bin laden was living a few miles from the ISI miitary facility..

The Pakistan ISI was protecting him for a decade. While the US was claiming they had no clue where he was.

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2020 05:56PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

They’re not personal views. Is is factual data that is confirmed, yet debunkers ignore and don’t care about it.
When major developments in history happen, and are not what they seem to be, i then question, is this new event a manufactured scare?

You missed the fact i brought up in this thread in the past, when one week after 9/11 America experienced an Anthrax biological attack. Of course the Muslims got blamed and letters were sent insisting the attack was done by jihadists. When actually, it turned out years later the weaponised anthrax came from Fort Detrick ( US army main bio security lab) it got leaked out.

What arose in Aug 2019? The CDC came in and closed down the Fort Dettrick facility. Just occurs after a mystery flu like illness reported by the media a month before?

You believe secret Nazi's pulled off 911. And that they killed JFK. And now that they are part of a "shadow government" that is poised to take over the US using this Coronavirus pandemic..

Can you name any of them in this "shadow government"?

Conspiracy theorists seem to hate: Bill Gates, Soros, Biden, Clinton, most Democrats, any Rothschilds, any Rockefellers, prominent Jews, everyone in the CIA

Anyone in that list?

Dr Hulsey WTC7 findings for people who not aware of this new study.

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