Dohnjoe wrote: » Your interpretation of it is wrong. This is not about "convincing" you of anything You are claiming some inside job happened, you haven't demonstrated that at all, quite the contrary your "story" changes a lot A military plane hit the Pentagon, then it didn't. Larry Silverstein blew up WTC 7, then he didn't. You aren't making any case.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Double standards. Hulsey draft report when it was released was not taken seriously. Why is NIST draft paper any better, when they denied free fall?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » It not wrong.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » You provided their revision explantation for freefall. What do they say on video about freefall in Aug 2008? Provide their theory about it then. Can you not do that or just afraid to be proven wrong?
Dohnjoe wrote: » It's incredible. Neverending denial of an investigation in order to hint at something vague and unsupported
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » NIST denied freefall in Aug 2008 on video. Video of people who did the investigation!
King Mob wrote: » No, I just know that you're going to run away the second you realise you can't address it. So, in the video you keep posting, when they refer to freefall, they are referring to the building as a whole freefalling. At the time, the popular conspiracy theory belief was that the building as a whole fell completely at freefall from the start of the collapse. This can be shown in conspiracy movies like "Loose Change" and in many older threads here where many conspiracy theorists claim this and/or claim the building fell in around 7 seconds. (Ie. the time it would take the building as a whole to collapse if it was falling at free fall for the entire time.) So when they talk about freefall in the video you keep posting, when they say "the building didn't free fall" they mean that "the building as a whole did not fall entirely at free fall." This is something you've agreed with at points. And this is correct as the building took much longer than 7 seconds to fall. If the building took longer than 7 seconds to fall this means it didn't free fall all the way down. Nothing about the statement excludes the idea that part of the building fell at free fall. Nothing about the statement excludes the idea that the building or part of the building fell at free fall for a part of the collapse. Now I've tried to make that as clear and simple as I could. In your response, simple point out what part of that you believe is incorrect and why. I'm betting however, you're going to start deflecting again.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Wrong.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » David Chandler told them the time on that video. NIST denied that time because of a single data point.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » They claimed it fell 40 per cent slower then freefall on video.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » There was no freefall accounted for in their scenario over the 18 stories.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » NIST even went further and said a freefall time would mean there was no structural components below to slow the fall.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » What their research showed in Aug 2008, was freefall event was off by 40 per cent and structural model could not account for that slower time.
Dohnjoe wrote: » It's not wrong Why do you feel so threatened by logic that you have to react like this?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Watch the video and show me Where I misquoted them.
King Mob wrote: » See, I asked you to do one thing and you didn't and now you're running off on tangents to deflect. Wrong. So what is the correct percentage? Or did the building fall at 100% free fall? Meaningless sentence. Again, you are misinterpreting and ignoring things so you can keep repeating this point. Wrong.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Fact you say this I know you have not watched the video and yet you still provide an opinion. You spend so much time on here 10 minutes of your time, watching it and listening will get you up to speed.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I thought you said you were in the British army on another thread? Or is that a job you did later? It's one aspect of the work i did. It lot more complicated then you think. You have to cut steel into different shapes and angles and it's precision work and have a good steady hand for that. Most truthers have no clue how to read constructiion drawings, i have some knowledge about that. You claiming welder not used when steel framed buildings are build?
Dohnjoe wrote: » You are mainly referring to secret Nazi's correct, like actual descendants of German Nazi's who fled Germany after the war, who, according to you didn't kill 6 million Jews, those ones right?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » It’s not thought in Westerns schools this info, the post-war Nazis backed the Islamic jihad against the west and jews for decades. I suspect there is Nazi sympathisers in the US government that wanted a holy war in the middle east with the Muslims and Jews slaughtering each other and therefore they allowed 9/11 to happen. It is no conicidence the main group, the 9/11 pilots came to be known as the Hamburg Cell. Finance for this operation was traced to banks in the Middle East that were partily owned by neo Nazis and post war Nazis after the war. Yes i believe there is a network of fascists who operate in the shadows and every now again they come out and expose themselves ( 9/11 and JFK are examples)
Dohnjoe wrote: » Would you say these Nazi descendants want to use the pandemic to take power in the US?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Most of the characters associated and involved with the shadow government see the world differently. Overthrow of the current US government, it be replaced with a government that’s militaristic/corporate and be far right leaning. Are some of them descendents of Nazi war criminals? It’s difficult to identify after this long of a period of time after the war. It is going to be difficult for the shadow government to takeover when the virus is not destroying the market yet. Plus, they are not getting their way with Trump in power. He's trying to get everyone to go back to work and use different viral medicines to fight the virus. The establishment telling you nothing can open till we get a Pharma vaccine! Trump right in a way you sink the global economy if you keep everything closed down. So in my mind there is a opposing deep state groups skirmishing behind the scenes. Regards the Nazis after WW2 The post-war Nazis most of them are now deceased. Yet i have no doubt in my mind they created a criminal and economic international shadow network after the war and this continued on for decades. I believe this group was associated and helped with the 9/11 attacks. I personally believe 9/11 was an international operation financed by state actors (saudi Arabia and Pakistan) and neo nazis bankers. The rogue right-wing element inside the shadow/ US goverment just approved it and allowed it to happen.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Regards the Nazis after WW2 The post-war Nazis most of them are now deceased. Yet i have no doubt in my mind they created a criminal and economic international shadow network after the war and this continued on for decades. I believe this group was associated and helped with the 9/11 attacks. I personally believe 9/11 was an international operation financed by state actors (saudi Arabia and Pakistan) and neo nazis bankers. The rogue right-wing element inside the shadow/ US goverment just approved it and allowed it to happen.
Dohnjoe wrote: » This shadow government, would you say any of them are Jews?
IAMAMORON wrote: » I thought it was right wing extremists looking to enlist African Americans into the army for slaughter in the Vietnamese Jungle? Seemingly they were increasingly disgruntled with the progress of the civil rights movement and were aware of the Kennedy's enamor for the African American community and other US minorities? Lyndon Johnson escalated US involvement in Vietnam within months of taking power, such was his quid pro quo?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Personally I determine the 9/11 plane operation was to hit the west and start a war. Chiefly backed by Sectarian leaders/military leaders in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and by neo- Nazis bankers and criminals.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » The demolition of the buildings i have a harder time figuring out who performed that. I leave the door open some other rogue group hijacked that operation on 9/11 and used it for their own aims.
IAMAMORON wrote: » 1) Sectarian leaders - which ones and from where exactly? 2) military leaders in Saudi Arabia 3) Pakistan 4) Neo Nazi Bankers 5) Criminals I am struggling with this particular spectrum of conspirators. You are being too broad, at least pick a side? That is some coalition listed above? Probably Mossad disguised as private electrical contractors. This is provable though via public records. Somebody somewhere procured a group of electricians to carry out fundamental developments of two sky scrapers in central New York in 2001. Just look up the accounts of the trade towers management company, that is tangible and traceable. Coronavirus connection? ( sorry I don't want to sound like a bitch here )
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I can’t because there needs to be an examination of the various conspirators and there a long complicated backstory. Just the tip of the iceberg. Facts we know. The 9/11 families lawyers have got 11 names of people, many working for Saudi government. They helped and planned the operation with Al Qaeda. The most high profile one is Prince Bandar. During 9/11 he was the US/ Saudi ambassador. After 9/11 he came the head of Saudi Intelligence. We know money was being passed onto the 9/11 hijackers through a special account set up by his wife. There was bunch of Saudi spies then inside the US who then used this money to rent apartments, and pay for flying lessons for the hijackers before the attack. They had regular meetings. We also know the second most powerful military ISI general in Pakistan wired Mohammed atta 100,000 dollars weeks before 9/11. We also know money that got transferred was taking place in banks owned by neo- nazis who had long standing ties and connections to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. AL Qeada second in command Mohammed Ayman Zawahiri was a member of Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. The Nazis and radical muslim links are well known in the middle east. All options are on the table for the demolitions on 9/11. Right now the only connection is the right wing shadow government in place to remove the current government if the crisis got out of hand. I feel there is opposing deep state forces battling it to get economy open and others who want it to remain closed.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Why do you keep bringing in your personal views of 911 in a thread on Coronavirus? We've been warned about that several times We're on the shadow government made up of Nazi's using Coronavirus to take over the US here..
IAMAMORON wrote: » You're throwing too many ducks in the air here, sorry. Conspiracies are organised and structured. They are obvious once you isolate one. Your concept that a Royal Saudi Billionaire was in cahoots with a two bit Pakistani general whilst simultaneously funding Neo Nazi's liaising with liberal movements in northern Africa ( Egypt ) … is too far fetched and would not even get preliminary funding from a coked up Hollywood producer on a slow Saturday night in Malibu, sorry no sale. You will be telling me that Prince Bandar is a humanoid reptile next? More believable in fairness, Corona virus connection also?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » They’re not personal views. Is is factual data that is confirmed, yet debunkers ignore and don’t care about it. When major developments in history happen, and are not what they seem to be, i then question, is this new event a manufactured scare? You missed the fact i brought up in this thread in the past, when one week after 9/11 America experienced an Anthrax biological attack. Of course the Muslims got blamed and letters were sent insisting the attack was done by jihadists. When actually, it turned out years later the weaponised anthrax came from Fort Detrick ( US army main bio security lab) it got leaked out. What arose in Aug 2019? The CDC came in and closed down the Fort Dettrick facility. Just occurs after a mystery flu like illness reported by the media a month before?
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