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I bet you didn't know that this thread would have a part 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Well here's something to occupy your thoughts while social distancing...Goo Cocoons :eek:


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    (Link in case the image doesn't show up: https://funsubstance.com/uploads/preview/566/566772.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    This came up in an episode of QI years ago (doesn't everything!) and there's still a bit of debate as to whether they are the same creature.
    Here's a dangerous, crazy thought from an otherwise sober (and very eminent) biologist, Bernd Heinrich. He's thinking about moths and butterflies, and how they radically change shape as they grow, from little wormy, caterpillar critters to airborne beauties. Why, he wondered, do these flying animals begin their lives as wingless, crawling worms? Baby ducks have wings. Baby bats have wings. Why not baby butterflies?

    His answer — and I'm quoting him here — knocked me silly.

    "[T]he radical change that occurs," he says, "does indeed arguably involve death followed by reincarnation."
    "In effect, the animal is a chimera, an amalgam of two, where the first one lives and dies ... and then the other emerges."

    What he's saying is, while a moth appears to be one animal, with a wormy start and a flying finish, it's actually two animals — two in one! We start with a baby caterpillar that lives a full life and then dies, dissolves. There's a pause. Then a new animal, the moth, springs to life, from the same cells, reincarnated.
    According to this theory, long, long ago, two very different animals, one destined to be wormy, the other destined to take wing, accidently mated, and somehow their genes learned to live side-by-side in their descendants. But their genes never really integrated. They are sharing a DNA molecule like two folks sharing a car, except half way through the trip, one driver dissolves and up pops his totally different successor. Driver No. 2 emerges from the body of driver No. 1.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,108 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    This came up in an episode of QI years ago (doesn't everything!) and there's still a bit of debate as to whether they are the same creature.







    Link

    This is cool and all, but...Accidentally mated?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    This is cool and all, but...Accidentally mated?

    Have you never been to Coppers? :pac:


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    There's 3% a year divorce rate for Irish swans.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    You already knew that people in flashy cars are self important. But thanks to science we have a number.


    The chances of a car yielding to a pedestrian decrease by 3 percent per $1,000 increase in the car's value.




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The highest recorded windspeed is 46 million miles per hour.

    And it's getting faster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Which airline is flying the longest domestic flight in the world?

    Of course, it's ... Air Tahiti Nui :confused:









    Due to Covid-19 restrictions, Air Tahiti Nui on their flight from Tahiti to Paris can not stop in Los Angeles anymore ...so they fly direct.

    At 15700 km this is now the longest passenger flight in the world.
    And as Tahiti is French territory it is also the longest domestic flight

    https://www.travelweekly.com.au/article/air-tahiti-nui-breaks-record-worlds-longest-passenger-flight-due-covid-19/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    trying to remember this fact correctly, so bear with me....

    Take a leech, in a lab, have it solve a little maze where there's food at the end. Leech eats the food.

    Kill that leech. Blend it up. Feed its mushed up body to a 2nd leech.

    2nd leech now knows where the food is in the maze. Chemical memory I think it was called

    That is mental.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    trying to remember this fact correctly, so bear with me....

    Take a leech, in a lab, have it solve a little maze where there's food at the end. Leech eats the food.

    Kill that leech. Blend it up. Feed its mushed up body to a 2nd leech.

    2nd leech now knows where the food is in the maze. Chemical memory I think it was called

    That is mental.

    Bloody hell! :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Who the & why the #@?* would even think of that kind of experiment in the first place


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    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    Who the & why the #@?* would even think of that kind of experiment in the first place

    It was probably based on someone trying to disprove tabula rasa?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    It was probably based on someone trying to disprove tabula rasa?

    you must have to ingest the full sentient being to acquire the knowledge, as I have tried to fly or lay eggs with all the chicken I've eaten.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    you must have to ingest the full sentient being to acquire the knowledge, as I have tried to fly or lay eggs with all the chicken I've eaten.

    Silly Ted, you do know that roosters don't lay eggs and that chickens can't properly fly, right? :D


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    trying to remember this fact correctly, so bear with me....

    Take a leech, in a lab, have it solve a little maze where there's food at the end. Leech eats the food.

    Kill that leech. Blend it up. Feed its mushed up body to a 2nd leech.

    2nd leech now knows where the food is in the maze. Chemical memory I think it was called

    That is mental.

    Had to do a Google on this one. This is what Wiki shows for memory RNA:
    Memory RNA is a form of RNA that was proposed by James V. McConnell and others in the 1960s as a means of explaining how long-term memories are stored in the brain. The concept behind it was that since RNA encoded information, and since living cells could produce and modify RNA in reaction to external events, it might also be used in neurons to record stimuli.[1][2][3]

    One experiment that was purported to show a chemical basis for memory involved training planaria (flatworms) to solve an extremely simple "maze", then grinding them up and feeding them to untrained planaria to see if they would be able to learn more quickly. The experiment seemed to show such an effect, but it was later suggested that only sensitization was transferred,[4] or that no transfer occurred and the effect was due to stress hormones in the donor or pheromone trails left on dirty lab glass.[1] Other experiments seem to support the original findings in that some memories may be stored outside the brain.[5][6]

    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_RNA

    Work still appears to be ongoing though. This article is from the BBC back in 2018:
    Memory transfer has been at the heart of science fiction for decades, but it's becoming more like science fact.

    A team successfully transplanted memories by transferring a form of genetic information called RNA from one snail into another.

    The snails were trained to develop a defensive reaction.

    When the RNA was inserted into snails that had not undergone this process, they behaved just as if they had been sensitised.

    The research, published in the journal eNeuro, could provide new clues in the search for the physical basis of memory.

    RNA stands for ribonucleic acid; it's a large molecule involved in various essential roles within biological organisms - including the assembly of proteins and the way that genes are expressed more generally.

    The scientists gave mild electric shocks to the tails of a species of marine snail called Aplysia californica. After these shocks were administered, the snails' defensive withdrawal reflex - where the snails contract in order to protect themselves from harm - became more pronounced.

    When the researchers subsequently tapped the snails, they found those that had been given the shocks displayed a defensive contraction lasting about 50 seconds, while those that had not received the shocks contracted for only about one second.

    The shocked snails had been "sensitised" to the stimulus.

    Purple ink
    Scientists extracted RNA from the nervous systems of the snails that received the shocks and injected it into a small number of marine snails that had not been sensitised in this way.

    The non-sensitised snails injected with the RNA from the shocked animals behaved as if they had themselves received the tail shocks, displaying a defensive contraction of about 40 seconds.

    They saw a similar effect when they did the same thing to sensory nerve cells being studied in petri dishes.

    Prof David Glanzman, one of the authors, from the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), said the result was "as though we transferred the memory".

    He also stressed that the snails did not get hurt: "These are marine snails and when they are alarmed they release a beautiful purple ink to hide themselves from predators. So these snails are alarmed and release ink, but they aren't physically damaged by the shocks," he said.

    Traditionally, long-term memories were thought to be stored at the brain's synapses, the junctions between nerve cells. Each neuron has several thousand synapses.

    But Prof Glanzman said: "If memories were stored at synapses, there is no way our experiment would have worked."

    The UCLA professor of integrative biology holds a different view, believing that memories are stored in the nuclei of neurons. The paper might support hints from studies conducted decades ago that RNA was involved in memory.

    The type of RNA relevant to these findings is believed to regulate a variety functions in the cell involved with the development and disease.

    The researchers said that the cells and molecular processes in the marine snails are similar to those in humans, despite the fact that the snail has about 20,000 neurons in its central nervous system and humans are thought to have about 100 billion.

    The researchers see this result as a step towards alleviating the effects of diseases such as Alzheimer's or post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

    When asked if this process would be conducive to the transplant of memories laid down through life experiences, Prof Glanzman was uncertain, but he expressed optimism that the greater understanding of memory storage would lead to a greater opportunity to explore different aspects of memory.

    Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44111476

    Mad stuff altogether.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    peasant wrote: »
    Which airline is flying the longest domestic flight in the world?

    Of course, it's ... Air Tahiti Nui :confused:

    Due to Covid-19 restrictions, Air Tahiti Nui on their flight from Tahiti to Paris can not stop in Los Angeles anymore ...so they fly direct.

    At 15700 km this is now the longest passenger flight in the world.
    And as Tahiti is French territory it is also the longest domestic flight

    https://www.travelweekly.com.au/article/air-tahiti-nui-breaks-record-worlds-longest-passenger-flight-due-covid-19/

    While true, it was only a one off. They’ve since been stopping in Vancouver and once in the Caribbean (well until it was all pulled because of this virus kerfuffle)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭764dak


    You already knew that people in flashy cars are self important. But thanks to science we have a number.


    The chances of a car yielding to a pedestrian decrease by 3 percent per $1,000 increase in the car's value.


    This reminds me of this:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭lapua20grain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭lapua20grain




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    The first President of the French 3rd republic was an Irishman - Patrice de MacMahon

    The family were direct descendants of Brian Boru and lords of Corcu Baiscind, a Kingdom of what is now Clare.
    They had their lands confiscated by Cromwell and moved to Limerick before fleeing to France to escape persecution due to their Jacobite opposition of William of Orange in the Glorious revolution.
    The family gained French citizenship in 1749 and were recognised as nobility by Louis XV

    The 16th child of 17, Patrice followed the family’s military tradition and entered the army where he had a distinguished career over numerous campaigns, rising to the rank of General and eventually Marshall of France.

    He was seriously wounded in the French defeat at Sedan which was the culmination of the Franco-Prussian war 1871 and effectively brought an end to the reign of emperor Louis Napoleon III (nephew of the famous Napoleon I) with the subsequent radical revolt of the Paris Commune.

    McMahon led the army to put down this revolt and to reestablish law and order. He was democratically elected president and resisted monarchist overtures in overseeing the French Constitutional Laws of 1875 which officially proclaimed the establishment of the Third Republic of France.

    (It can be argued that Adolphe Theirs was the first President as he preceded de MacMahon as president following the fall of the monarchy, however it was de MacMahon who actually oversaw the formation of the constitution which officially established the 3rd republic so it’s semantics really).

    Had never heard of this lad before and came across his incongruous name in the book I’m reading atm, mad story!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    So he was French.


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    Ipso wrote: »
    So he was French.

    His parents were Irish, can be viewed either way.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    He may have been French, but he'd have been allowed to apply for an Irish passport. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    I know, I just find it funny that there’s a recent thread complaining about people not being born in Ireland calling themselves Irish.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    If the Saxons were bad... Here is Gerald of Wales, having travelled in Ireland in the 12th century, describing the Irish he encountered:

    The Irish are a rude people, subsisting on the produce of their cattle only, and living themselves like beasts – a people that has not yet departed from the primitive habits of pastoral life. In the common course of things, mankind progresses from the forest to the field, from the field to the town and to the social conditions of citizens; but this nation, holding agricultural labour in contempt, and little coveting the wealth of towns, as well as being exceedingly averse to civil institutions – lead the same life their fathers did in the woods and open pastures, neither willing to abandon their old habits or learn anything new.

    This people then, is truly barbarous, being not only barbarous in their dress but suffering their hair and beards to grow enormously in an uncouth manner, just like the modern fashion recently introduced; indeed, all their habits are barbarisms. But habits are formed by mutual intercourse; and as these people inhabit a country so remote from the rest of the world and lying at its furthest extremity, forming is it were, another world, and are thus excluded from civilised nations, they learn nothing and practice nothing, but the barbarism in which they are born and bred and which sticks to them like a second nature. Whatever natural gifts they possess are excellent, in whatever requires industry they are worthless"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    If the Saxons were bad... Here is Gerald of Wales, having travelled in Ireland in the 12th century, describing the Irish he encountered:

    The Irish are a rude people, subsisting on the produce of their cattle only, and living themselves like beasts – a people that has not yet departed from the primitive habits of pastoral life. In the common course of things, mankind progresses from the forest to the field, from the field to the town and to the social conditions of citizens; but this nation, holding agricultural labour in contempt, and little coveting the wealth of towns, as well as being exceedingly averse to civil institutions – lead the same life their fathers did in the woods and open pastures, neither willing to abandon their old habits or learn anything new.

    This people then, is truly barbarous, being not only barbarous in their dress but suffering their hair and beards to grow enormously in an uncouth manner, just like the modern fashion recently introduced; indeed, all their habits are barbarisms. But habits are formed by mutual intercourse; and as these people inhabit a country so remote from the rest of the world and lying at its furthest extremity, forming is it were, another world, and are thus excluded from civilised nations, they learn nothing and practice nothing, but the barbarism in which they are born and bred and which sticks to them like a second nature. Whatever natural gifts they possess are excellent, in whatever requires industry they are worthless"

    Ah yes Giraldus Cambrensis, the royal clerk and chaplain to King Henry II, who wrote his totally unbiased account above. Of course a different view might be that he wrote such things to justify the Norman invasion of Ireland and to curry favour with the King and the Holy See. Less than 30 years before, the only English Pope Adrian IV wrote the papal bull Laudabiliter which was used to justify the invasion of Ireland and bring the Irish church under the control of Rome. So no conflict of interest there then. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,102 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    You could probably substitute 21st century for 12th century in that passage and for the very most part it would hold relevant :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    You could probably substitute 21st century for 12th century in that passage and for the very most part it would hold relevant :D

    Actually, much English stereotyping of the Irish right through to the 18th century was based on Gerald's descriptions.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    One reason the vikings were seen as barbarians was that they were pagans. The Anglo Saxons didn’t exactly woo the native Britons with gentle sonnets to get into power.
    I read The Last Armada by Des Ekin recently. After the Spanish landed at Kinsale the O’Neills spent several weeks plundering their neighbours and then decided to march down. The O’Donnells marched earlier plundered their way down, so on their retreat back they ended up getting attacked by their prior victims.
    Of course the English were fond of kicking the shyte of each other, they just had nicer titles.


    ‘When the devil took our saviour Jesus Christ to the pinnacle of the temple and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, he kept Ireland hidden … to keep it for himself. For I believe that it is the inferno itself, or some worse place.’

    – Don Juan del Águila, Spanish Commander at kinsale


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