Hi vis discussion thread (read post #1)

tomasrojo · 15-11-2019 10:29PM

Donnybrook on the way to and from the Stillorgan dual carriageway is really bad for that (and motorists losing their lane on the bend because they're going too quickly), but I go there very rarely, for that very reason.

CramCycle · 15-11-2019 10:38PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Donnybrook on the way to and from the Stillorgan dual carriageway is really bad for that (and motorists losing their lane on the bend because they're going too quickly), but I go there very rarely, for that very reason.

You have to take the lane there, no other choice, drivers often can't stay in their lane through that S bend. Its only 20 seconds but the behaviours from some are insane. From people talking about not being visible to cars, you often see cars pull across buses and fire trucks to park at the row of shops after the fire station. Its not you who are invisible, it is some people do not look, simple as that.

Breezer · 15-11-2019 11:25PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Donnybrook on the way to and from the Stillorgan dual carriageway is really bad for that (and motorists losing their lane on the bend because they're going too quickly), but I go there very rarely, for that very reason.

I was knocked down there years ago by a guy in a van who tried to squeeze by me. Don’t even think about using the cycle lane there, it’s awful.

beauf · 16-11-2019 12:03AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Anyway, I don't want to gainsay other people's experience. I suspect some of my experience is down to the routes I frequent, which overall have a lot of cyclists, so people driving expect them passing a bit more. In fact, it's quite hard to get drivers to turn left sometimes, as they wait for you to pass on the inside, which I don't really like doing when someone has already signalled an intention to turn.

Driver and cyclist behaviour is very route dependent. Different routes cause different behaviour. Which is why people's experience varies.

Lights are the same. 2 front and back different types of flashing in the city. When I hit poorly lit roads I often turn both fronts to steady and stagger where they hit in front. So I have a figure of 8 on the ground in front and a longer throw off light adjusted for my speed.

zell12 · 17-11-2019 10:58AM

Letter in Sindo

tomasrojo · 17-11-2019 11:14AM

He sure sees a lot of people that are invisible.

tomasrojo · 17-11-2019 11:16AM

Also, he thinks there *isn't* a government initiative to give hi-vis out for free?

tomasrojo · 17-11-2019 11:24AM

Also, the people he lauds for their visibility aren't wearing hi-vis, unless he thinks "bright colours" are hi-vis.

zell12 · 17-11-2019 11:31AM

You should sent in a retort tomasrojo!

tomasrojo · 17-11-2019 11:44AM

I might. I find it hard to work up the enthusiasm to write something that isn't just sarcastic posts though.

Macy0161 · 18-11-2019 11:39AM

Gardai at it again yesterday. VRU's, use Hi-Viz, the motorist advice again does not include watch out for VRU's, drive at speed you can stop in the distance you can see. Victim blaming continues...

Assistant Garda Commissioner David Sheahan also warned people of how vulnerable road users are.

As the evenings get darker, he said those out walking and cycling should be wearing hi-visibility clothing.

For drivers, he said two essential safety measures they should adhere to every day is wear a seatbelt and put mobile phones away while driving.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1117/1092406-remembrance-day-for-traffic-victims/

magicbastarder · 18-11-2019 11:42AM

For drivers, he said two essential safety measures they should adhere to every day is don't break the ****ing law, and don't break the ****ing law

i think i fixed that there

RobertFoster · 18-11-2019 12:06PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i think i fixed that there

Homeowners: Keep your doors locked.

Burglars: Ah stop.

zell12 · 14-12-2019 12:27PM

Donegal Cllr says fines should be considered for pedestrians who walk on rural roads without wearing hi-vis clothing.
https://www.highlandradio.com/2019/12/14/fines-should-be-considered-for-not-wearing-hi-vis-clothing-crossan/

magicbastarder · 06-04-2020 09:29PM

seems you now need a hi-vis (over your suit) to start answering phones.
(yes, i know the topic being referred to and the photo used may have no link whatsoever)

https://twitter.com/John_McGahon/status/1247072543531466752

buffalo · 06-04-2020 10:03PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

seems you now need a hi-vis (over your suit) to start answering phones.
(yes, i know the topic being referred to and the photo used may have no link whatsoever)

He's been on too many construction site photo-ops if he thinks that's appropriate PPE for returning to medicine!

tomasrojo · 06-04-2020 10:31PM

I guess the caller might seek clarification about how conspicuously their interlocutor is dressed. Best to be prepared.

Reminds me of that joke about UK adult chatlines in late October/early November.

Caller: Tell me what you are wearing
Girl: Nothing
Caller: WHERE IS YOUR POPPY!

rubadub · 06-04-2020 10:41PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Reminds me of that joke about UK adult chatlines in late October/early November.

which reminds me of the poor strip clubs that had to close

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but some got new jobs doing delivers as "boober eats".

NSFW, well maybe that does not apply if you are at home!
https://manofmany.com/lifestyle/food/boober-eats-topless-delivery-service

This one is safe, "uber eats" went and sent a cease & desist
https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/boober-eats-uber-lucky-devil-strip-club-dancers-delivering-dinners.html

tomasrojo · 07-04-2020 07:59AM

It's one terrible job after another really, isn't it?

magicbastarder · 02-06-2020 10:33PM

https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1266129897078087681

Stark · 02-06-2020 10:39PM

Some very intelligent considered replies from Jez TG there.

tomasrojo · 04-09-2020 05:18PM

There was a case in the UK previously where a driver ran into a lollipop man and the lollipop man's hi-viz apparel was blamed, allegedly blending with the low sun.

Here's another one, with vegetation blending thrown in:

Jones had been wearing a high-vis jacket. Asked by Jim Davis, prosecuting, how she had failed to see him “right in front of your bonnet,” Powell replied: “The lighting coming through the trees and foliage on the side had created a flickering effect and I believe the high visibility jacket blended in with that.”

https://road.cc/content/news/hi-vis-jacket-blended-trees-277019

tomasrojo · 11-09-2020 09:38AM

Galway councillor lobbying Eamon Ryan for mandatory hi-viz:
https://twitter.com/ccferrie/status/1304324735149449217

Doesn't seem very likely to work.

Seth Brundle · 16-11-2020 06:27PM

https://twitter.com/pward82/status/1328363650327961606

eeeee · 16-11-2020 10:35PM

I was out 5k lapping after work and saw a cyclist up ahead who, as I got closer was wearing one of those all reflective jackets - like the proviz ones under a backpack. I couldn't believe how indistinct it was (I was going through Ringsend at the time, a pretty noisy spot visually). The jacket made no difference to their visibility at all, but their rear light did, that's how I spotted them in the first place. Maybe strips stand out more than a whole jacket in a visually busy environment?
I have seen them pretty effective in the phoenix park at night when car headlights shine on them, although they're invisible without (even under the wee gaslamps on Chesterfield Avenue).

Today was the first time I saw someone wear one of those jackets with lights on their bike too. Now that I don't understand! (the no lights just hi viz thing).

magicbastarder · 16-11-2020 10:43PM

i've had similar experiences with those proviz jackets, they're only visible when you're in a line with the light shining on them.

eeeee · 16-11-2020 10:49PM

Yeah, my front light lit it up as I got closer to it (flashing). The lack of lights that usually goes with them confuses me. I don't think they understand how light works.

tomasrojo · 16-11-2020 10:59PM

I've noticed it as well. Same as the strips on the standard hi-viz jacket: if you are near a powerful light source shining nearly directly onto the reflective fabric, they're very effective. But a fair bit of the time, you aren't aligned like that. Even as a car occupant, a cyclist in quite a few scenarios (roundabouts, right-turn lanes, for example) can be off to your right, and your headlights throw more to the left.

The leitfmotif of this thread: reflectors aren't a substitute for pretty decent lights.

07Lapierre · 16-11-2020 11:37PM

I think this video shows why lights trump hi viz.

The cyclist is visible at the 30 second mark. You only See the hi viz at the two minute mark!

https://youtu.be/57IOduT8hg8

tomasrojo · 16-11-2020 11:54PM

The pedal reflectors aren't too shabby in that, but they're visible very, very late, compared with the rear light.

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