CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

cameramonkey · 04-04-2020 03:59PM

devnull wrote: »

The official death metric released by the Department of Health and Social Care in the UK is measured by deaths of those in hospital. The British Government are not reporting on overall deaths, despite saying they would.

Today's official updates on death numbers was
As of 5pm on 3 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 4,313 have sadly died.

As well, what some of you may have missed, is the way testing is being reported has changed as well, they are now reporting number of tests rather than the number of people tested, which makes the figures look better than they otherwise would.

For example, on 3rd April, only 6,500 people were tested, despite the headline figure of tests being almost 11,000. This is something to watch out for, since originally the Government were talking about targets based on numbers of people, now they are talking about number of tests.

The UK on seems to report the numbers who die in hospital, they then update a few days later with real figures.

Drumpot · 04-04-2020 03:59PM

Nermal wrote: »

Is this going to be the new standard now for all future human activities?

Nothing can happen unless we can prove there's zero risk of anyone dying?

That’s a very disingenuous post. I’ve not said we can’t do anything unless there is zero risk.

There is a risk to peoples health right now and we don’t fully know to what degree. I can’t leave my house because of it. Schools are closed because of it. This is a crisis situation, not a hypothetical discussion on what we should do if it happened.

Exams are not a necessity , I don’t really understand how you find that hard to grasp. We adapt how we grade pupils, it can be that simple if we want.

Rob A. Bank · 04-04-2020 04:00PM

Logan Roy wrote: »

No, did you even read the post? They planned from early on not to bring them to ICU.

So it's not triage unless it is done at the door of ICU ?

Triage done at a distance has exactly the same effect on the elderly patients.

Cork Boy 53 · 04-04-2020 04:00PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

Update: Well Mother in Law’s Nursing Home is now officially a Cluster*uck.

This is beyond hand-wringing. I remember NHI being admonished for acting Unilaterally on March 6th.

The Nursing Home would not say how many – because that’s confidential. CONFIDENTIAL?! Are you kidding me?!

After everything it’s a fkng secret?! Are we still doing that?!

This is the Frontline. It’s a bloody disaster and not one mask between any of the staff.
Finally, theCovid-19 support scheme has been announced. Well it’s a bit late!

Remind me again Expert Teams…what is the most vulnerable age Group? The elderly? And where would find them then? Oh! The Nursing Homes!

Forgive me Boards, I’m so frustrated. The last time I saw her was through a closed window. She was sleeping.

Had Nursing Homes Ireland NOT acted when they did, we would now be looking at complete decimation!!!

That`s terrible.:( I hope she will be OK.

eagle eye · 04-04-2020 04:01PM

Rob A. Bank wrote:

So the death count and the number of cases in the UK are pure works of fiction.

Anywhere to find out the number of deaths per day in Ireland, inclusive of all , not just from coronavirus covid-19?

ZX7R · 04-04-2020 04:03PM

Seamai wrote: »

I'm curious as to what we are going to see when they start coming back, yes there may be substantial increases but people need to remember that these increases might not be reflective of the current infection rate. Just to take an example, I have a close family member who contacted his GP on March 18th as he was exhibiting mild symptoms and who's wife is high risk, the test was carried out on March 22nd and here we are on April 4th and still no results. By the time he had the test done he felt he'd was practically over what ever he had, he had been isolating and by the March 24th / 25th completely recovered. Now if his test results came back positive in the next day or two technically it's giving a misleading picture of where we are now and there may be a lot of these. I would be far more interested in seeing the results of tests taken in the last day or two as I would hope at this point after several weeks of stringent measures we would start seeing new infection rates being less than 2 weeks ago.

It will at least give an indication of how widespread invections are of not

BrianD3 · 04-04-2020 04:03PM

Lavinia wrote: »

Total number of deaths in Italy for Q1 (comparison):

2020 - 166.407
2019 - 185.967
2018 - 187.991
2017 - 192.045

I don't have those in English, sorry, but these are the numbers

Going back a few hours in the thread now but the above post seems to have gotten very little discussion except for someone disputing the figures and saying that reduced road deaths etc. during the lockdown may account for the lower 2020 figure (unlikely given that road deaths in Italy are about 3300 per year)

To the poster Lavinia, what is your source for the Q1 2020 mortality figure. It doesn't matter if the source is not in English. It seems unlikely to me that Italy would already have reliable mortality stats for Q1.

Nermal · 04-04-2020 04:03PM

Drumpot wrote: »

That’s a very disingenuous post. I’ve not said we can’t do anything unless there is zero risk.

Oh I must have got confused there when you said:

Drumpot wrote: »

irresponsible unless evidence proves beyond doubt there is no risk to a child in this scenario.

FVP3 · 04-04-2020 04:04PM

Wombatman wrote: »

We have higher deaths per million and higher cases per million. Why single out the US?

The difference is slight - 24 vs 23 in deaths per million and the US is clearly on a higher and more exponential trend. - it should pass Ireland today.

In fact Ireland is just one place above the US on both deaths per million and cases per million ( which is hardly reliable given testing differences anyway).

it's interesting to see how some Irish people are more upset with criticism of Trump or America rather than their own people. A weird case of transferred nationalism.

Rob A. Bank · 04-04-2020 04:05PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Anywhere to find out the number of deaths per day in Ireland, inclusive of all , not just from coronavirus covid-19?

We are talking about coronavirus deaths here... I repeat :-

The chief medical officer in the UK said a few weeks ago that they would only report 'excess' deaths (another fiddlefactor to minimize the numbers).

They did not test those at home with symptoms suggestive of coronavirus at all.

So the death count and the number of cases in the UK are pure works of fiction.

FVP3 · 04-04-2020 04:06PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

Update: Well Mother in Law’s Nursing Home is now officially a Cluster*uck.

This is beyond hand-wringing. I remember NHI being admonished for acting Unilaterally on March 6th.

The Nursing Home would not say how many – because that’s confidential. CONFIDENTIAL?! Are you kidding me?!

After everything it’s a fkng secret?! Are we still doing that?!

This is the Frontline. It’s a bloody disaster and not one mask between any of the staff.
Finally, theCovid-19 support scheme has been announced. Well it’s a bit late!

Remind me again Expert Teams…what is the most vulnerable age Group? The elderly? And where would find them then? Oh! The Nursing Homes!

Forgive me Boards, I’m so frustrated. The last time I saw her was through a closed window. She was sleeping.

Had Nursing Homes Ireland NOT acted when they did, we would now be looking at complete decimation!!!

This is a genuine criticism. Much of what Ireland has done has been, if tardy, ok in general. The nursing homes are a mess though.

I'd like to see some criminal penalties, there.

kilkenny31 · 04-04-2020 04:06PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Anywhere to find out the number of deaths per day in Ireland, inclusive of all , not just from coronavirus covid-19?

I was thinking statisticks from something like Rip.ie might be interesting in a few months time. I know not every death is advertised but the vast majority are I'd imagine.

wakka12 · 04-04-2020 04:06PM

https://www.the-sun.com/news/622235/sex-workers-coronavirus-japan-tokyo/

Dozens of sex workers in Tokyo red light district test positive for covid

iamwhoiam · 04-04-2020 04:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

So it's not triage unless it is done at the door of ICU ?

Triage done at a distance has exactly the same effect on the elderly patients.

Many elderly in nursing have signed a DNR or No Heroic interventions form . They would have signed long before Covid 19 reared its ugly head

Scotty # · 04-04-2020 04:08PM

FVP3 wrote: »

This is a genuine criticism. Much of what Ireland has done has been, if tardy, ok in general. The nursing homes are a mess though.

I'd like to see some criminal penalties, there.

What crime was committed?

igCorcaigh · 04-04-2020 04:08PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Is the government`s official stance that the majority of people will not be infected by the virus? If it is this policy needs to change ASAP

I don't think so, but I haven't seen any projection from them on that figure. Is 50 to 60% or more the commonly used estimate of attack rate?

ifElseThen · 04-04-2020 04:08PM

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

From what I’ve heard they have planned from early on not to admit certain groups to ICU or possibly even to hospital. Rather treat best as they can/make them comfortable where they are.

Nurse from my old man's nursing home rang on Thurs to say he tested positive. Another woman rang from the home yest and said he is comfortable. Spoke to him myself and he said he is fine but he sounds like he has a cold. I guess as long as he is still in the home and not needing ICU, my fingers will be crossed that he gets through it.

Hobgoblin11 · 04-04-2020 04:09PM

Anyone else convinced this virus is no worse than the flu?

Drumpot · 04-04-2020 04:10PM

Nermal wrote: »

Oh I must have got confused there when you said:

You are either confused or don’t understand what I am saying. That post of mine you quoted was directly related to school exams Alone. You said

Nermal wrote: »

Is this going to be the new standard now for all future human activities?

Nothing can happen unless we can prove there's zero risk of anyone dying?

You dragged in “all future human activities” as a straw man defence of your stance on this.

bekker · 04-04-2020 04:10PM

speckle wrote: »

'Irrelevant to the original posts.' bekker
surely the Randox scientists who are making these covid tests would have known the folly of letting the chetleham races go ahead. could they have pulled their sponsorship? talked to the organisers/uk gov. or evenat a last resort ring fenced their money for more sanitation purposes?
why were they sponsoring it.DO they have a vetinary arm?
anyhow apologies if irelevant.

No, not irrelevant, just so in context of original post.

Randox do not do testing in the sense you mean, they developed automated testing devices based on exposing chips they provide.

They mainly sell complete packages as I understand, with ongoing chip supplies. They also do a service (commercial scale AKAIR) of testing chips they've supplied for concerns who have not purchased their automated testing installations.

As far a Cheltenham sponsorship, I would assume that that was set up in '19 or even before. As UK Government, in whose jurisdiction they are,
allowed it to go ahead they would see no reason to cancel. Their scientists would be virologists not epidemiologists.

devnull · 04-04-2020 04:10PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

The UK on seems to report the numbers who die in hospital, they then update a few days later with real figures.

No, they don't - the published figure today is 4,313 deaths in hospital and that is directly from the UK Department of Health and Social Care, not a single care home death without being taken to hospital has been counted in those figures from the start of an outbreak.

The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) have never published a figure that includes deaths outside of hospital. There has been talk about they would do this when they got challenged by the media, but they have still not done so and will have to be grabbed kicking and screaming to do this as it would make the government look very bad.

As of 20th March it was reported that the DHSC were underreporting deaths by as much as a quarter. This was found out as there was a significant difference between deaths reported by the Government and the number of issued death certificates for coronavirus. Hopefully the Office of National Statistics (ONS) will give a more up to date figure soon.

It's worth stating that despite the ONS calling out the under-reporting of deaths by the DHSC, the DHSC have still not included all of those missing deaths in the official death figures issued by them. I assume that this is a political decision that has been made since it would make the numbers look far worse.

storker · 04-04-2020 04:11PM

spookwoman wrote: »

called massaging the numbers.

The mind boggles trying to fathom what this is meant to achieve. It won't fool the virus, that's for sure.

igCorcaigh · 04-04-2020 04:11PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

We are talking about coronavirus deaths here... I repeat :-

Why all the obfuscation?
That is a barrier to scientific enquiry.
Politics?

owlbethere · 04-04-2020 04:13PM

voluntary wrote: »

Would they still get paid for a day off if calling in with like 37C?

I don't know. 37C is low. I thought we are looking out for 37.8 as a temperature to self isolate at. The HSE and our own authorities haven't recommended the 37.8 temperature mark. They just say if you have cough, fever, shortness of breath to self isolate. Our authorities haven't pinpointed what fever to look out for. The English authorities have recommended to self isolate at 37.8 temperature.

I'm not a nursing home staff member but I'm checking my temperature every morning and so far, no temperature. I'm also using an oxyimeter every morning to check the blood oxygen. I'm also now checking my blood pressure every morning and night with a home monitor and starting a diary with all that.

If I see a rise in temperature, and blood pressure during a morning reading I think I would be cautious enough and self isolate at that stage.

igCorcaigh · 04-04-2020 04:14PM

I thought that the UK changed counting methodology recently to now include non hospital based deaths also, no?

(boards servers are really struggling)

Jim_Hodge · 04-04-2020 04:15PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Anyone else convinced this virus is no worse than the flu?

No.

Rob A. Bank · 04-04-2020 04:15PM

FVP3 wrote: »

The difference is slight - 24 vs 23 in deaths per million and the US is clearly on a higher and more exponential trend. - it should pass Ireland today.

In fact Ireland is just one place above the US on both deaths per million and cases per million ( which is hardly reliable given testing differences anyway).

it's interesting to see how some Irish people are more upset with criticism of Trump or America rather than their own people. A weird case of transferred nationalism.

Not really... he is after all supposed to be the leader of the 'free world'.

The lies and bull*hit he pollutes the world with daily, is repeated ad nauseam on this board. I have lost count of the number of times 'The warm weather in April will cause it to vanish' has been mentioned.

Any US citizen who voted for him or the Republican party should hang their heads in shame. The world did not deserve a dangerous ignorant manchild like him to lead the free world.

Away With The Fairies · 04-04-2020 04:16PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I don't think so, but I haven't seen any projection from them on that figure. Is 50 to 60% or more the commonly used estimate of attack rate?

50%? That's one in two of us.

keynes · 04-04-2020 04:17PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I don't think so, but I haven't seen any projection from them on that figure. Is 50 to 60% or more the commonly used estimate of attack rate?

UK government is considering reverting to herd immunity. This is the worst possible situation for us: our economy still in lockdown (with theirs recovering) and multiple flights still coming in from the UK every hour as their herd immunity policy (i.e., spread the virus quickly) runs its course

Corkgirl20 · 04-04-2020 04:17PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Nursing home staff to have their temperatures checked

1) not every one has a temperature as Claire Byrne shows
2) if a staff member has other issues like maybe period pain, they may take an ibuprofen and that would alter a temperature reading.

Not a very great policy to rely on.

I agree, I’m somebody who has never had a high temperature. When I was in hospital and got my appendix out I didn’t have a temperature once same when I’ve had kidney infections and tonsillitis.
On a normal day my temperature is slightly below the norm.

I get a rapid heart beat when I’m sick and that’s it.

I’d assume I’m not the only one like this.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP