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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #8702
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    iguana wrote: »
    Claiming that the new testing criteria resulted in our rate of positive testing going from 6% to 15% even though only 5 days had passed and it takes longer than 5 days from referral to result.

    good one. There must be loads.

    Here's a tweet about PPE. I can't speak to its veracity but hearth wrenching if true.
    https://twitter.com/patphelan/status/1246363548772708352?s=20


  • #8703
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    EDit wrote: »
    If the numbers are correct (2017-2019 look like they come from an official document; the 2020 ones don’t though) it is pretty meaningless anyway. These are deaths from any cause and are subject to random variation year on year. Also, for example, how do we know that the lockdown in Italy hasn’t prevented 1000s of road deaths, or prevented 1000s of deaths from flu or other communicable diseases, which would reduce the total number?

    Seriously, I’m kinda lost as to why people keep pulling up these numbers. Is it some sort of weak attempt to suggest that this virus isn’t that bad and we are all being conned by the illuminati?

    Well, I am glad you brought them up again.
    Personally I wouldn't believe the illuminati could organise a piss up in a brewery but I would like a rational data based explanation of the numbers.

    Any ideas? So far you suggest the 2020 data is inaccurate or unofficial. I will put that in the mix. The deaths prevented by lockdown - hmmm, could they be that numerous?

    I am a firm supporter of strict response to what I think is a major threat but I also like anomalies answered.


  • #8704
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Today's numbers of new infections will be interesting, results from Germanys testing of some of our back log are meant to start been released from today


  • #8705
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    Shelga wrote: »
    Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, I only read the last 10 pages, but has anyone else heard that apparently Matt Damon is stuck in Dublin and has been spotted jogging on Killiney Hill?

    I only mention it because it seems improbable that he has absolutely no way to get back to America, but also, a photo apparently taken on Wednesday was posted on Twitter, with him with his arm around some fan in Dalkey?? Why are both of them being so irresponsible?

    Makes me think it’s all a load of rubbish, and this woman is posting a photo that was actually taken a month ago.
    I've seen the story alright. If he's still here it's probably cos he figures he's safer here


  • #8706
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,424 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Today's numbers of new infections will be interesting, results from Germanys testing of some of our back log are meant to start been released from today


    I read somewhere they have gotten the turnaround for the test down to 2 and a half hrs. I could be wrong though.


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  • #8707
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,513 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Didn't Simon coveney say we were doing close to 5k tests a day but at the press conference recently it was announced we were doing 1500

    They may have done getting on for 5,000 swabs at one stage, but had to back off doing them as the "lab" capacity was only capable of delivering around 1,500 to 2,000 a day

    Personally I think the "positives" figures are pretty meaningless for understanding just how far this is embedded in the population. I do think testing remains very important for healthcare workers and those who are particularly vulnerable, including understanding if specific nursing homes are affected. Unfortunately the daily headline "figures" of those infected have become some kind of (completely inaccurate) measure of "how we are doing". They serve a purpose of giving the appearance we are fully informed of what's going on, but the Government and HSE simply do not have the resources to provide that sort of info

    The death, hospitalisation and ICU figures are far more meaningful, but even they are ignoring people who have not tested positive but are infected

    I posted earlier about South Korea's "testing, testing, testing" approach, but we've probably (and understandably given the shortage of testing capabilities) missed that boat, as has probably every other Western country with the possible exception of Germany


  • #8708
    Bushmaster64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Bushmaster64


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Spain, Italy, UK all seem to consistently report 700 or 800 deaths.

    I reckon its a lot more but they haven't the meams to count for more deaths.

    I know of at least one person (elderly with underlying) in the UK who died outside of hospital and the doctor said it was almost certainly Covid-19 but no test will be given. Resources for tests on already dead people just aren't there.

    So that death will not feature in the official figures. Bound to be more such incidents.

    This is different to actually fudging the numbers as some countries are clearly doing.


  • #8709
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    EDit wrote: »
    If the numbers are correct (2017-2019 look like they come from an official document; the 2020 ones don’t though) it is pretty meaningless anyway. These are deaths from any cause and are subject to random variation year on year. Also, for example, how do we know that the lockdown in Italy hasn’t prevented 1000s of road deaths, or prevented 1000s of deaths from flu or other communicable diseases, which would reduce the total number?

    Seriously, I’m kinda lost as to why people keep pulling up these numbers. Is it some sort of weak attempt to suggest that this virus isn’t that bad and we are all being conned by the illuminati?

    Good points. Do you think one good thing to come from this in future is a focusing on cocooning vulnerable groups during the normal flu seasons? So the elderly with underlying conditions. This would in turn make some difference to trolley numbers in hospitals.


  • #8710
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Today's numbers of new infections will be interesting, results from Germanys testing of some of our back log are meant to start been released from today

    Yes very interesting.


  • #8711
    EDit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Well, I am glad you brought them up again.
    Personally I wouldn't believe the illuminati could organise a piss up in a brewery but I would like a rational data based explanation of the numbers.

    Any ideas? So far you suggest the 2020 data is inaccurate or unofficial. I will put that in the mix. The deaths prevented by lockdown - hmmm, could they be that numerous?

    I am a firm supporter of strict response to what I think is a major threat but I also like anomalies answered.

    I think you’ll be waiting a long time for an answer. I can’t answer it, and I doubt anyone else can definitively. Anyway, again, why does it matter? The fact is that almost 15000 people in Italy have died in March alone (note that there were only around 10 deaths in Italy before March) from a disease that didn’t exist this time last year, hence the robust response.


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  • #8712
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    political analyst wrote: »
    Considering events in England this week, the lockdown might be causing more deaths than Covid-19 itself!

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/murder-probe-hemel-hempstead-coronavirus-lockdown-a4402141.html
    the saddest thing I saw when collating stories re covid earlier on was the three children who had not been tested for covid being placed in one body bag due to a shortage.
    regarding that and other stories
    please look out/stay connected with potential domestic abuse victims.
    do not hermitacly sealed yourself into houses keep window open
    if using high% alcohol for disinifection purposes remember it is flammable.
    be careful if drinking and smoking at home. We need not to over burden the fire brigade
    keep in contact by phone etc with those with mental health issues.
    keep in contact with people who live alone of any age.
    dont stigmatise those who have tested positive and who have finished their self isolation.
    check the pinned resources and mental health threads on covid.


  • #8713
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,424 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    GM228 wrote: »
    Ireland Reported Coronavirus Statistics - Day 35 - Friday 03/04/2020

    DAY | DATE | Cases | New Cases | Total Cases | Case Increase | Daily Reporting Increase | Deaths | Mortality % | Hospital | Hospital % | ICU | ICU % | Recovered | Recovery % | Population % | Active Cases | ▲Day 1 | ▲10 Days | ▲7 days | ▲3 Days | ■ Day 1 | ■ 10 Days | ■ 7 Days | ■ 3 days
    1 | 29/02/2020 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 1 | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A
    2 | 01/03/2020 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 1 | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A
    3 | 02/03/2020 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 1 | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | 0.00% | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | 0.00%
    4 | 03/03/2020 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 100.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 2 | 25.00% | N/A | N/A | 33.33% | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | 0.00%
    5 | 04/03/2020 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 200.00% | 300.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 6 | 60.00% | N/A | N/A | 100.00% | 60.00% | N/A | N/A | 100.00%
    6 | 05/03/2020 | 6 | 7 | 13 | 116.67% | 75.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 13 | 69.44% | N/A | N/A | 138.89% | 62.50% | N/A | N/A | 125.00%
    7 | 06/03/2020 | 13 | 5 | 18 | 38.46% | -28.57% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 18 | 65.02% | N/A | 65.02% | 118.38% | 49.49% | N/A | 49.49% | 115.48%
    8 | 07/03/2020 | 18 | 1 | 19 | 5.56% | -80.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 19 | 57.59% | N/A | 65.81% | 53.56% | 33.30% | N/A | 38.06% | -11.19%
    9 | 08/03/2020 | 19 | 2 | 21 | 10.53% | 100.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 21 | 52.36% | N/A | 67.32% | 18.18% | 40.71% | N/A | 52.35% | -2.86%
    10 | 09/03/2020 | 21 | 3 | 24 | 14.29% | 50.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 24 | 48.55% | 48.55% | 69.36% | 10.12% | 41.64% | 41.64% | 59.49% | 23.33%
    11 | 10/03/2020 | 24 | 10 | 34 | 41.67% | 233.33% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.001% | 34 | 47.92% | 52.72% | 61.02% | 22.16% | 59.07% | 64.98% | 92.82% | 127.78%
    12 | 11/03/2020 | 34 | 9 | 43 | 26.47% | -10.00% | 1 | 2.33% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.001% | 42 | 46.14% | 55.36% | 36.23% | 27.47% | 53.31% | 63.98% | 48.54% | 91.11%
    13 | 12/03/2020 | 43 | 27 | 70 | 62.79% | 200.00% | 1 | 1.43% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.001% | 69 | 47.42% | 61.64% | 28.54% | 43.64% | 64.60% | 83.98% | 66.39% | 141.11%
    14 | 13/03/2020 | 70 | 20 | 90 | 28.57% | -25.93% | 1 | 1.11% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.002% | 89 | 46.07% | 54.50% | 27.12% | 39.28% | 58.13% | 81.38% | 66.77% | 54.69%
    15 | 14/03/2020 | 90 | 39 | 129 | 43.33% | 95.00% | 2 | 1.55% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.003% | 127 | 45.89% | 38.83% | 32.52% | 44.90% | 60.59% | 60.88% | 91.77% | 89.69%
    16 | 15/03/2020 | 129 | 40 | 169 | 31.01% | 2.56% | 2 | 1.18% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.003% | 167 | 44.96% | 30.27% | 35.45% | 34.30% | 56.96% | 53.64% | 77.85% | 23.88%
    17 | 16/03/2020 | 169 | 54 | 223 | 31.95% | 35.00% | 2 | 0.90% | 84 | 37.7% | 6 | 2.69% | 5 | 2.24% | 0.005% | 216 | 44.19% | 29.62% | 37.97% | 35.43% | 55.67% | 60.00% | 75.71% | 44.19%
    18 | 17/03/2020 | 223 | 69 | 292 | 30.94% | 27.78% | 2 | 0.68% | 108 | 37.0% | 7 | 2.40% | 5 | 1.71% | 0.006% | 285 | 43.46% | 32.15% | 36.44% | 31.30% | 54.12% | 70.77% | 46.35% | 21.78%
    19 | 18/03/2020 | 292 | 74 | 366 | 25.34% | 7.25% | 2 | 0.55% | 140 | 38.3% | 12 | 3.28% | 5 | 1.37% | 0.007% | 359 | 42.50% | 33.64% | 36.28% | 29.41% | 51.65% | 61.50% | 48.81% | 23.34%
    20 | 19/03/2020 | 366 | 191 | 557 | 52.19% | 158.11% | 3 | 0.54% | 173 | 31.1% | 13 | 2.33% | 5 | 0.90% | 0.011% | 549 | 42.99% | 37.43% | 34.76% | 36.16% | 56.98% | 72.31% | 42.82% | 64.38%
    21 | 20/03/2020 | 557 | 126 | 683 | 22.62% | -34.03% | 3 | 0.44% | 211 | 30.9% | 17 | 2.49% | 5 | 0.73% | 0.014% | 675 | 42.02% | 35.52% | 33.91% | 33.38% | 52.64% | 45.57% | 41.67% | 43.77%
    22 | 21/03/2020 | 683 | 102 | 785 | 14.93% | -19.05% | 3 | 0.38% | 239 | 30.4% | 25 | 3.18% | 5 | 0.64% | 0.016% | 777 | 40.79% | 34.37% | 29.86% | 29.91% | 49.38% | 44.67% | 25.37% | 35.01%
    23 | 22/03/2020 | 785 | 121 | 906 | 15.41% | 18.63% | 4 | 0.44% | 277 | 30.6% | 36 | 3.97% | 5 | 0.55% | 0.018% | 897 | 39.68% | 29.63% | 27.63% | 17.66% | 48.05% | 26.53% | 27.67% | -11.48%
    24 | 23/03/2020 | 906 | 219 | 1125 | 24.17% | 80.99% | 6 | 0.53% | 305 | 27.1% | 39 | 3.47% | 5 | 0.44% | 0.023% | 1114 | 39.04% | 29.19% | 26.52% | 18.17% | 49.42% | 37.22% | 34.24% | 26.86%
    25 | 24/03/2020 | 1125 | 204 | 1329 | 18.13% | -6.85% | 7 | 0.53% | 340 | 25.6% | 47 | 3.54% | 5 | 0.38% | 0.027% | 1317 | 38.20% | 26.67% | 24.69% | 19.24% | 47.17% | 27.04% | 29.29% | 30.92%
    26 | 25/03/2020 | 1329 | 235 | 1564 | 17.68% | 15.20% | 9 | 0.58% | 419 | 26.8% | 59 | 3.77% | 5 | 0.32% | 0.032% | 1550 | 37.41% | 25.34% | 23.59% | 20.00% | 45.94% | 28.30% | 30.43% | 29.78%
    27 | 26/03/2020 | 1564 | 255 | 1819 | 16.30% | 8.51% | 19 | 1.04% | 489 | 26.9% | 67 | 3.68% | 5 | 0.27% | 0.037% | 1795 | 36.63% | 23.77% | 18.47% | 17.37% | 44.55% | 25.65% | 9.06% | 5.62%
    28 | 27/03/2020 | 1819 | 302 | 2121 | 16.60% | 18.43% | 22 | 1.04% | 564 | 26.6% | 77 | 3.63% | 5 | 0.24% | 0.043% | 2094 | 35.92% | 22.34% | 17.61% | 16.86% | 43.62% | 24.72% | 16.55% | 14.05%
    29 | 28/03/2020 | 2121 | 294 | 2415 | 13.86% | -2.65% | 36 | 1.49% | 645 | 26.7% | 84 | 3.48% | 5 | 0.21% | 0.049% | 2374 | 35.15% | 21.19% | 17.45% | 15.59% | 42.02% | 23.73% | 18.89% | 8.10%
    30 | 29/03/2020 | 2415 | 200 | 2615 | 8.28% | -31.97% | 46 | 1.76% | 703 | 26.9% | 113 | 4.32% | 5 | 0.19% | 0.053% | 2564 | 34.26% | 16.80% | 16.43% | 12.92% | 39.56% | 4.72% | 11.67% | -5.40%
    31 | 30/03/2020 | 2615 | 295 | 2910 | 11.28% | 47.50% | 54 | 1.86% | 834 | 28.7% | 126 | 4.33% | 5 | 0.17% | 0.059% | 2851 | 33.52% | 15.67% | 14.59% | 11.14% | 39.81% | 12.87% | 6.88% | 4.29%
    32 | 31/03/2020 | 2910 | 325 | 3235 | 11.17% | 10.17% | 71 | 2.19% | 932 | 28.8% | 134 | 4.14% | 5 | 0.15% | 0.066% | 3159 | 32.82% | 15.29% | 13.60% | 10.24% | 38.89% | 15.80% | 9.31% | 8.57%
    33 | 01/04/2020 | 3235 | 212 | 3447 | 6.55% | -34.77% | 85 | 2.47% | 1039 | 30.1% | 148 | 4.29% | 5 | 0.15% | 0.070% | 3357 | 32.02% | 14.40% | 12.01% | 9.67% | 36.66% | 10.46% | 2.17% | 7.63%
    34 | 02/04/2020 | 3447 | 402 | 3849 | 11.66% | 89.62% | 98 | 2.55% | 0 | 0.0% | 148 | 3.85% | 5 | 0.13% | 0.078% | 3746 | 31.42% | 13.15% | 11.34% | 9.79% | 38.21% | 11.32% | 13.76% | 21.67%
    35 | 03/04/2020 | 3849 | 424 | 4273 | 11.02% | 5.47% | 120 | 2.81% | 0 | 0.0% | 148 | 3.46% | 5 | 0.12% | 0.087% | 4148 | 30.84% | 12.44% | 10.55% | 9.74% | 37.28% | 12.55% | 11.91% | 20.11%




    NR = Not Reported
    ▲ = Daily case increase averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1
    ■ = Daily case reporting change averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1


    Source: Department of Health and the Health Protection Surveillaence Centre.

    *"Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data suplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting. Recovered statistics can only be published as "recovered" following two successful tests of being clear of the virus under the WHO reporting guidelines, as a result it is likely the recovered data is skewed.

    ** Due to the above issue with reporting of revovered cases the number of active cases is also likely skewed.

    Day 20 - Thursday 19/03/20 Stats
    Day 21 - Friday 20/03/20 Stats
    Day 22 - Saturday 21/03/20 Stats
    Day 23 - Sunday 22/03/20 Stats
    Day 24 - Monday 23/03/20 Stats
    Day 25 - Tuesday 24/03/20 Stats
    Day 26 - Wednesday 25/03/20 Stats
    Day 27 - Thursday 26/03/20 Stats
    Day 28 - Friday 27/03/20 Stats
    Day 29 - Saturday 28/03/20 Stats
    Day 30 - Sunday 29/03/20 Stats
    Day 31 - Monday 30/03/20 Stats
    Day 32 - Tuesday 31/03/20 Stats
    Day 33 - Wednesday 01/04/20 Stats
    Day 34 - Thursday 02/04/20 Stats


    :eek::eek::eek::eek:

    MY EYES ...MY EYES


  • #8714
    EDit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Good points. Do you think one good thing to come from this in future is a focusing on cocooning vulnerable groups during the normal flu seasons? So the elderly with underlying conditions. This would in turn make some difference to trolley numbers in hospitals.

    It’s an interesting question. My concern would be compliance. If you try to restrict the movements of one sector of society (eg, over 70s) but everyone else can operate as normal.. (a) I’d expect a large amount of non-compliance, and (b) how do you police that non-compliance? (I don’t think anyone wants to see the Gards dragging pensioners out of supermarkets to be escorted back into lockdown)


  • #8715
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    EDit wrote: »
    It’s an interesting question. My concern would be compliance. If you try to restrict the movements of one sector of society (eg, over 70s) but everyone else can operate as normal.. (a) I’d expect a large amount of non-compliance, and (b) how do you police that non-compliance? (I don’t think anyone wants to see the Gards dragging pensioners out of supermarkets to be escorted back into lockdown)


    You'll never get full compliance (we don't have it at the moment) but I think the idea would be to minimise it so that hospitals can cope better. Some will comply and that will help the figures.


    I think on a related matter that things like good and proper hygiene (particularly with regards to washing one's hands) should be reaffirmed on a regular basis, and in particular coming up to the flu season. You're never going to get all those manks who don't bother washing their hands at all, but it might have an impact on people who do a quick rinse after using the toilet and think they've washed their hands.


  • #8716
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    rusty the athlete wrote: »
    So what Swedish newspapers do you read on a regular basis? None I'm guessing which makes your post utter BS. My daily read is the 'Svenska Dagbladet' which if you read you would find is extremely critical of government policy.

    He's a pro Trump troll. As the US figures get ever worse than anywhere else you see these guys claiming that all other countries are lying. Iran and China (natch) but now apparently Sweden and Germany and most of Europe.

    There's a strong relationship between those blaming the government here and pro Trump supporters as well. While there are of course problems with the Irish response, it was better than the US federal response.
    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    I know of at least one person (elderly with underlying) in the UK who died outside of hospital and the doctor said it was almost certainly Covid-19 but no test will be given. Resources for tests on already dead people just aren't there.

    So that death will not feature in the official figures. Bound to be more such incidents.

    This is different to actually fudging the numbers as some countries are clearly doing.

    Most of Europe except the UK. The UK is not fudging the numbers. It's just everybody else in the whole world. So probably a pro brexit and pro Trump troll.


  • #8717
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    The Irish increase to 402 is a bit worrying as it stayed high the next day. Anybody got an explanation on that? The backlog of testing is being caught up?

    ( I know the Irish test figures are not every exact but wondering if anything specifically happened that day).


  • #8718
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Achasanai wrote: »
    You'll never get full compliance (we don't have it at the moment) but I think the idea would be to minimise it so that hospitals can cope better. Some will comply and that will help the figures.


    I think on a related matter that things like good and proper hygiene (particularly with regards to washing one's hands) should be reaffirmed on a regular basis, and in particular coming up to the flu season. You're never going to get all those manks who don't bother washing their hands at all, but it might have an impact on people who do a quick rinse after using the toilet and think they've washed their hands.

    The hardest thing would be to totally cocoon elderly people so they can never see their grandchildren, or see a confirmation, or go to a wedding, or even have people visit. A vaccine is clear necessary.


  • #8719
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    One of my coworkers is married to a nurse. She has told him that health staff are "dropping like flies" . They are becoming infected in large numbers and obviously cannot work for a period . Moral is very low and they are rightly very worried. A serious staff shortage is starting to come to the boil.


  • #8720
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    FVP3 wrote: »
    The Irish increase to 402 is a bit worrying as it stayed high the next day. Anybody got an explanation on that? The backlog of testing is being caught up?

    ( I know the Irish test figures are not every exact but wondering if anything specifically happened that day).


    The key is to look at the percentage increase. If we're at an 11% increase, these numbers will continue to rise (I'm guessing we could expect 470 or so today if that number keeps up) and will do so until we reach that peak. The percentage increases we're seeing at the moment are, as far as I am aware, the lowest percentage increases since our first case (obviously, with only one case, you're going to get huge percentage increases in the early days).



    All of the above subject to the usual reservations regarding how many we're testing, etc.


  • #8721
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    FVP3 wrote: »
    The hardest thing would be to totally cocoon elderly people so they can never see their grandchildren, or see a confirmation, or go to a wedding, or even have people visit. A vaccine is clear necessary.


    Absolutely. I thought the original point was with regards to the normal flu? In that case, we have a vaccine so the cocooning wouldn't be as extreme as what we have now. Maybe I misunderstood.


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  • #8722
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    One of my coworkers is married to a nurse. She has told him that health staff are "dropping like flies" . They are becoming infected in large numbers and obviously cannot work for a period . Moral is very low and they are rightly very worried. A serious staff shortage is starting to come to the boil.

    Dreadful absolutely dreadful. The lack of PPE is unacceptable and leaves the HSE and our government with serious questions to answer. May god help them over these next few weeks :(


  • #8723
    Stacksofwacks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    So basically we should have shut down the last week in Feb, but not to worry we couldnt have known the seriousness at that stage


  • #8724
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    148 in ICU.

    Majority under 65.

    This is only getting started.


  • #8725
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭otnomart


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Soap is great, but hand sanitizer is good for when you're out and about.


    I wear gloves when I go out to the shops and then wash hands with soap when I get home.
    Wipes can be an alternative to the sanitizer at a pinch, when not possible to wash hands. Have got some "moist lens wipes" from Boots that contain alcohol (label does not give the percentage, though).


  • #8726
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    One of my coworkers is married to a nurse. She has told him that health staff are "dropping like flies" . They are becoming infected in large numbers and obviously cannot work for a period . Moral is very low and they are rightly very worried. A serious staff shortage is starting to come to the boil.

    Just heard from Tony Hoolahan that 1/4 picked it up in work.

    Thought it would be more.


  • #8727
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Just heard from Tony Hoolahan that 1/4 picked it up in work.

    Thought it would be more.

    How is he?


  • #8728
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,220 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    I had assumed all primary school kids still got the BCG, never realised they stopped it. How are they vaccinating against TB now?

    I got it in the 90’s in primary school and have siblings who got it a number of years later also.



    BCG was definitely a primary school vaccine, I remember all the lead up to it and getting it even with the big needles etc.

    They don't. Infections of TB is tiny now compared to what it was.


  • #8729
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Saw the vitamin D recommendation in some Irish papers yesterday. Seems like western countries media can’t even research properly. Same thing with the whole distance and masks situation that’s changed recently.

    All this information was available at The start of febaryary for anybody interested in this. I’d say more boardsies who were on the first thread with me know more about this for months, then some countries that seem to be so slow to cop on to these things.

    “Don’t trust the Chinese on anything” is such a naieve approach to take. It’s not that their authority’s haven’t made mistakes or haven’t lied at different times. But a lot of what they said months ago and what they did to control it is now being confirmed and replicated.

    It’s quite remarkable how politics and xenophobia can be so self destructive to the response of some countries.

    In terms of honesty of numbers, I generally believe the amount tested and confirmed cases in most countries. The deaths not so much. I’d say that there has been a bit of fudging , possible down to admin or negligence. Are people who die , but hadn’t been tested for CoOVID19 automatically tested for the virus? Are all rhespiratory related deaths checked for COVID19? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a conspiracy against countries but mistakes are being made by everyone so it wouldn’t be a surprise if a lot of Covid deaths are unreported.


  • #8730
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    So basically we should have shut down the last week in Feb, but not to worry we couldnt have known the seriousness at that stage

    We should have shut down the start of February and there was plenty of warning of how bad this would get, many just chose to ignore it or lambasted anyone who warned of the incoming disaster.


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  • #8731
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    So basically we should have shut down the last week in Feb, but not to worry we couldnt have known the seriousness at that stage


    Many people on these boards were calling it and saying we would be better taking a sharp, hard hit with closures then, than waiting for more cases to pop up but we were shot down so many times by posters saying the likes of:

    It's just a cold or a flu and it will be the biggest storm in a teacup in a century.


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