CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

fin12 wrote: »

I’ve seen loads of guards around and a checkpoint and that was only around my local area and I’m not in Dublin.

agree with this maybe its just dublin , guards are everywhere at the moment down the country

froog wrote: »

the risk is low. the food is heated to high temperatures that will kill anything that possibly gets into it. the only risk is from packaging, which is the same risk as your weekly shopping and same precautions should apply.

It is not quite the same type of risk as packaged food from a grocery shop. Packaged food in a grocery shop might have the virus on the outside of the packaging because someone touched it or was heavily breathing on it, but you can be fairly sure there isn’t anything on the food itself or inside the packaging (except for super fresh stuff packaged in the shop).

On the other hand the Mc Donald’s take away was just prepared/packaged by someone who could have blown droplets on the food after grilling the burger or inside the packaging. If they can procures them, you’d hope they are giving surgical masks to employees though.

froog wrote: »

US will finish the day with the highest death number in the world. they'll break 1k deaths today and change and they are very early into this. it would not be inconceivable for the US to be hitting 5k deaths a day very soon. that is absolutely insane.

Trump can stay quiet now, as ironically it is up to the Governors of each State to decide what measures to take.

Orange Man could just self isolate and let them at it. But it is the tone and the message I suppose. Not getting much there either from Trorange.

Strazdas wrote: »

Lifting severe restrictions on society is not optional. They have to be lifted. By their essence, they can only ever be temporary : no society could function with a six month or longer lockdown.

At that point, the risks to society from the lockdown itself would be far greater than from the virus.

What relevance is that to my post?

You drew unconditional optimism from a proposed methodology which of it's nature was highly conditional.

Nowhere did I suggest that the restrictions should be open-ended, I simply pointed out that we could not meet the requirements envisaged because we were not capturing the necessary data.

Wonder how many Asylum seekers have entered in the last few days. God help them.

Bob24 wrote: »

It is not quite the same type of risk as packaged food from a grocery shop. Packaged food in a grocery shop might have the virus on the outside because should touched it or was heavily breathing on it, but you can be fairly sure there isn’t anything on the food itself or inside the packaging (except for super fresh stuff packaged in the shop).

On the other hand the Mc Donald’s take away was just prepared/packaged by someone who could have blown droplets on the food after grilling the burger or inside the packaging. If they can procures them, you’d hope they are giving surgical masks to employees though.

there is no evidence right now of coronavirus being passed on through food. think about it, if it's on the food and somehow manages to survive the harsh conditions of cooked food, it goes into your stomach where it gets destroyed by stomach acid.

cold food would be a bigger worry though, especially if you are eating it with your hands.

gabeeg wrote: »

I worry that it might be going that way, and I'm dreading it.

I'm in Dublin too. A very large apartment complex on the south side. I've seen a bit more mingling than I'd like to have, particularly amongst the children of familes.
But it's a very high density place. Hard to avoid, and the vast majority here are staying indoors.

It makes me a little nervous to see, but I don't want anyone slapped around by cops are the bloody army for being a little daft.

I see the majority around my way keeping their distance and being very courteous, in fact its like years ago when everybody would say hello in passing.Masks are now getting more popular which is great.One problem i am seeing around my way is groups of Brazilians who are not complying with social distancing. Gang of 10 down the park earlier having a picnic and when i was waiting to go into lidl everyone was queuing on the designated spot except a group of 5 Brazilians who all stood together and despite being pulled up on it refused to move. I live on one of the busiest streets in D9 and i see groups of them going up and down the road as if noting is happening .This is where we need the guards to enforce the regulations.

OK, I don't think I'd be confident to be in a crowded space for a looooooong time.

Same with travel sadly.

Things might open up again gradually, but public confidence or lack thereof might be a factor in the decision.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It seems the virus can survive a while on smooth surfaces like a door handle or elevator button but I haven't seen any evidence that it can live on and be transmitted through food or other packaging like cardboard. Most experts are saying the risk is negligible

Now I want a big mac

One day on cardboard, from the same study that gave the time spans for metals and plastics.

bekker wrote: »

What relevance is that to my post?

You drew unconditional optimism from a proposed methodology which of it's nature was highly conditional.

Nowhere did I suggest that the restrictions should be open-ended, I simply pointed out that we could not meet the requirements envisaged because we were not capturing the necessary data.

That PDF is not an Irish document. The Dept of Health will decide if and when it is appropriate to start lifting some restrictions (that PDF has so many conditions and strict criteria attached that it would be difficult for many countries around the world to come out of lockdown during 2020 if they were to stick to it rigidly).

froog wrote: »

there is no evidence right now of coronavirus being passed on through food. think about it, if it's on the food and somehow manages to survive the harsh conditions of cooked food, it goes into your stomach where it gets destroyed by stomach acid.

cold food would be a bigger worry though, especially if you are eating it with your hands.

63 degrees C for four minutes can reduce contamination by a factor of 1,000 but not completely.

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

And varadkar on the phone a few days back thanking them for taking our money and blowing them kisses.
Time to play hard ball with the sneaky fcukers now and less of the nicey niceys.
If it’s not fit for purpose it should be flown back to them at their expense and tell them to rev up and fcuk off

Yeah, that’s right and never order any PPEs from them again.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

China did not tell those with virus to go home to infect rest of family, they dragged them kicking and screaming out of cars, stores, off the street, and isolated them in hotels so on.
The West are too PC to beat this virus. Takes a bit of olde school methods to beat it. It's why Italy cannot find that curve.

The virus is still rampant in China they've just stopped testing for it so they aren't reporting any new cases. I wouldn't be using them as an example of how to deal with the virus either considering that they covered up the initial outbreak and even the dog in the street knows that they have underreported the number of cases and deaths by a huge amount.

Stheno wrote: »

Fauci excluded at the last minute from Trump briefing

i feel like he's a very convenient fall guy for trump when the time comes. and the time will come.

Stheno wrote: »

Fauci excluded at the last minute from Trump briefing

Not surprised, he is telling the truth..