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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭mick987


    con747 wrote: »
    France reported 1355 yesterday after they were made include the cases that died from the virus in nursing homes. Up until then they only reported hospital deaths. I wonder if all countries include ALL virus related deaths not just the hospital cases.

    But that does not fit his anti Tory rant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 3 April 2020 @ 08:00

    novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-04-03.png?itok=gmfnxc8K

    Definite flattening of the curve for daily cases in Europe over the last 9 days and the trend seems to be downwards now.

    Light at the end of the tunnel ?

    Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 3 April 2020 @ 08:00

    novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-04-03.png?itok=gmfnxc8K

    Definite flattening of the curve for daily cases in Europe over the last 9 days and the trend seems to be downwards now.

    Light at the end of the tunnel ?

    Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

    Can we really say that 9 days is sufficient sample size to determine if we “definitely flattening the cueve”?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Maybe it's just me but this looks a bit strange :D

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/summary/

    Screenshot-1.png


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Rightly or wrongly, China will face a reckoning when this is over. The way the world looks at China, socially, economically and from a trade perspective, will never be the same

    https://m.timesofindia.com/india/icj-moves-unhcr-against-china-for-covid-19-reparations/articleshow/74965784.cms?utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=iOSapp&utm_source=WhatsApp.com

    Will the Chinese get reparations from the UK for the opium wars, first though?

    Those lads dont seem to have much of a presence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Council_of_Jurists. Two line entry.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Can we really say that 9 days is sufficient sample size to determine if we “definitely flattening the cueve”?

    Yes. An exponential increase cant be hidden in 9 days.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Definite flattening of the curve for daily cases in Europe over the last 9 days and the trend seems to be downwards now.

    Light at the end of the tunnel ?

    Hard to know. Our daily data is still a 9-10 days old given the delays in testing and results. Whatever the HSE report today is over a week old.

    Whats the lag in the rest Europe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Or are many countries running out of things like reagent?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks



    There's nothing to indicate the next consignment won't have similar issues. Which is why you ask someone to sign off on these consignments before they leave China. Even the WHO could do it.


    Because Irish Government do not want to question the quality of Chinese products in front of Chinese officials in Beijing warehouse? I guess boxes only opened on arrival in Ireland.


    chinappe.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Longing


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Yes. An exponential increase cant be hidden in 9 days.

    German figures are missing from that graph.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Can we really say that 9 days is sufficient sample size to determine if we “definitely flattening the cueve”?

    Compare it to the previous 9 days, when it was definitely on the way up.

    I feel hopeful about the shape of the infection curve, but of course I may be wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,285 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Aerlingus from Beijing just landed

    The USA have agents in China at the moment buying up PPE destined for other countries at x2 and x3 the price


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Longing wrote: »
    German figures are missing from that graph.

    The german figures are also not exponential.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    The USA have agents in China at the moment buying up PPE destined for other countries at x2 and x3 the price

    Strange that, given how bad quality the Chinese PPE is? Maybe the US are taking the good stuff.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    684 deaths in the UK in last 24 hours - new record.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Longing


    FVP3 wrote: »
    The german figures are also not exponential.

    Still missing. Why is a graph posted with false data. I know you didn't post it. Yes thankfully the trend is downwards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Hard to know. Our daily data is still a 9-10 days old given the delays in testing and results. Whatever the HSE report today is over a week old.

    Whats the lag in the rest Europe?

    I have no idea about the lag for the rest of Europe.

    But I imagine it is the same as it was 18 days ago

    But it's a snapshot taken at the same time every day... and it's the only pan European data we have to go on.

    I am hopeful... that's all


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Longing wrote: »
    Still missing. Why is a graph posted with false data. I know you didn't post it. Yes thankfully the trend is downwards.

    Well yes, that is weird. Not denying that it is odd that germany wasnt included in a graph for Europe when many tiny countries were. Still I was answering a question on that graph.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    684, I believe (3,605-2,921).

    Twelve new deaths in NI, bringing their total to 48.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Longing


    Actually Germany recorded 6,813 yesterday a increase of 700+ from what that chart is showing from previous day.

    So 6,813 needs to be added. Still think its decreasing.

    Updated Germany cases increase further today: 8978. Deaths today: 253.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Wombatman wrote: »
    It's still all relative to population size.
    Only after the virus has had its chance to work its way through that population, which will take longer for a larger population.

    In a larger population a virus can continue to spread for longer and at an ever increasing rate if not brought under control and therefore has a greater potential for its propagation rate and the numbers presenting for medical care to spiral out of control.

    When infection + exposure rates are significantly lower than the rates needed for herd immunity begin to gave any significant effect comparing absolute numbers is more relevant to how well the outbreak is being managed in different areas / countries.

    At this time relative numbers are a good inducation how the effect might be felt within an area / country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Hard to know. Our daily data is still a 9-10 days old given the delays in testing and results. Whatever the HSE report today is over a week old.
    Not all swabs processed daily were taken the same day.

    Samples are processed according to priority; hospitalised patients, healthcare workers, people in the community.

    The numbers realised daily is a mixture of all categories.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Longing wrote: »
    Actually Germany recorded 6,813 yesterday a increase of 700+ from what that chart is showing from previous day.

    So 6,813 needs to be added. Still think its decreasing.

    The same thing happened with Italian data on the 15th of last month... it was added the next day.

    I imagine there was some glitch in receiving the German figures today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Is this covid 19 tedium the new norm until you get sick?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The death toll from the Orwellian lock down will far exceed that from the virus that the vast majority of people recover from in a week. Suicide alone will spike massively, especially when people realise they have no jobs to go back to.

    2 weeks for mild symptoms and 4 to 6 weeks for more severe cases, unless you have a source that says the majority recovered from this in a week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Source? Any report I have seen said some.

    There's issues around procurement and proper checking of procured products. This appears to be the problem.
    There also appears to be problems around testing, stuff tested, passed and then rejected by front line staff.

    Why are we making these mistakes has to be the question.

    I've also noticed there are some people on here will never criticise government or the HSE, no matter how many mistakes they make. This is a licence to make even more mistakes with relative impunity.

    Mistakes should be called out. To ignore them is not helpful. It just leads to poor standards across the board.

    The sensitivity of some people to criticism of any kind is remarkable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Rightly or wrongly, China will face a reckoning when this is over. The way the world looks at China, socially, economically and from a trade perspective, will never be the same

    https://m.timesofindia.com/india/icj-moves-unhcr-against-china-for-covid-19-reparations/articleshow/74965784.cms?utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=iOSapp&utm_source=WhatsApp.com
    RIGHTLY


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Longing


    The same thing happened with Italian data on the 15th of last month... it was added the next day.

    I imagine there was some glitch in receiving the German figures today.

    German figures were just updated now. I think that's why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,286 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    China clearly have doctored the numbers, or it could be they actually shut Wuhan down, not the '' lock down'' the rest of the world has done. Packed trains and buses in UK and Europe is not a lock down, the Chinese jaws drop when they see it. It's a virus, it can't be negotiated with ...
    Boris , '' so Mr Virus, we''ll shut down a tad, and in return you'll not infect people, deal? , or what is it you'd like us to do??''

    Virus '' Die, die, DIE! ''

    The half measures of the West is not working. The amount of people still out and about is crazy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭dan786


    Around 1800 deaths in UK in 3 days. Scary. 3605 in total. So around 50% is just from last 3 days.


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