CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

tobefrank321 · 03-04-2020 11:27AM

Stateofyou wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Bill Gates has a huge team of experts in that regard that he's funnelling money towards. That would be obvious he's not going at this personally pulling a John Wayne, he references his foundation.

Of course he has scientists working for him. I've never known a scientist to turn down funds for research, they depend on it.

But he's talking nonsense if he thinks a vaccine is possible within 6 months. Sure it could solve covid19 but it might give you a far worse life long condition. This is why you need to follow up for 12 months.

If he does come up with a vaccine within 6 months, it will probably be restricted to the elderly who don't have to worry as much about lifelong conditions. But giving a rapidly developed vaccine to young people or children would be madness.

Dcully · 03-04-2020 11:29AM

EDit wrote: »

It’s irrelevant what happened in Italy in 2015/2016 as the country wasn’t on lockdown as it Is now. This is the problem. People compare the death rates under strict quarantine conditions with death rates from previous years when there were no quarantine conditions and say “look, it’s not that bad”

Makes you wonder should we have strict quarantine for the flu then?
All i know is early jan i had the worse flu ive ever experienced, totally knocked me for 2 weeks with 5 days in the bed barely able to move a limb was crazy nasty.

Stateofyou · 03-04-2020 11:30AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Of course he has scientists working for him. I've never known a scientist to turn down funds for research, they depend on it.

But he's talking nonsense if he thinks a vaccine is possible within 6 months. Sure it could solve covid19 but it might give you a far worse life long condition. This is why you need to follow up for 12 months.

If he does come up with a vaccine within 6 months, it will probably be restricted to the elderly who don't have to worry as much about lifelong conditions.

Any chance you could just read the article before commenting?

"Because to get to the best case, that people like myself and Dr. Fauci are saying is about 18 months, we need to do safety and efficacy and build manufacturing."

all about the mane · 03-04-2020 11:31AM

Dcully wrote: »

Makes you wonder should we have strict quarantine for the flu then?
All i know is early jan i had the worse flu ive ever experienced, totally knocked me for 2 weeks with 5 days in the bed barely able to move a limb was crazy nasty.

My wife had the same. And a really raspy cough to go with it. Never saw her so bad. I was wondering afterwards if it was actually covid19

tobefrank321 · 03-04-2020 11:32AM

walshb wrote: »

Gates is an industrialist.....a titan..

Ultimately it is people like him and political figures that get things done....

They don't necessarily need to know a damn thing about anything (though Gates is very well educated and very well read)

It's their passion, commitment, desire and all around facilitating skills that get things done. They bring people together....and it is this that will beat the spread. Bringing the best people together...

I get all that.

But you cannot rush a vaccine. it has to be extensively tested. It takes time and patience. And no amount of money can bypass that.

Its good that he's on board with his billions, but he should be careful about rushing a vaccine that could in the long run do more harm than good.

Tordelback · 03-04-2020 11:32AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I think Gates should stick to what he's good at, making computers.

Gates is neither an angel nor a genius, but he's as close to a half-decent billionaire as we're likely to get, and funding vaccination has been his passion for many years.

Stateofyou · 03-04-2020 11:33AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I get all that.

But you cannot rush a vaccine. it has to be extensively tested. It takes time and patience. And no amount of money can bypass that.

Its good that he's on board with his billions, but he should be careful about rushing a vaccine that could in the long run do more harm than good.

I hear you. I'm sure he knows that.

Hamsterchops · 03-04-2020 11:34AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

98 deaths per 5 million.I over heard an old chap saying if this were the 1980s this would have been labeled as a "bad dose going around"

Lets hope nout fishy is going on.

Thought provoking; We'll only know what really happened & why it happened, when the dust has settled in a year or two. Just a simple case of a Corona type virus escaping from a wet market in China, probably......

I know one thing, it will be a great chance to measure the reduced levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere re global warming! Billion of internal combustion engines off the road globally for several of months.

silverharp · 03-04-2020 11:34AM

walshb wrote: »

Gates is an industrialist.....a titan..

Ultimately it is people like him and political figures that get things done....

They don't necessarily need to know a damn thing about anything (though Gates is very well educated and very well read)

It's their passion, commitment, desire and all around facilitating skills that get things done. They bring people together....and it is this that will beat the spread. Bringing the best people together...

Gates is one of those people that you dont want to be on the opposite side of the argument to, you might be right 2% of the time

ShayNanigan · 03-04-2020 11:34AM

all about the mane wrote: »

My wife had the same. And a really raspy cough to go with it. Never saw her so bad. I was wondering afterwards if it was actually covid19

Could well have been. More and more reports around the world, including research papers about the mutations/strains of the virus, suggesting it has been circulating at least since November.

gabeeg · 03-04-2020 11:35AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Agreed. One of the reasons why Italy, Spain and the UK have been badly hit is their much older populations. World class healthcare systems mean at the same time a much older population. There will be deaths in the developing world but far less and the number of confirmed cases will be far less due to less testing.

Lads, in 2018 there was 19,076,753 people over 65 in Indonesia alone according to this site
https://www.indexmundi.com/indonesia/age_structure.html

Just because the average life expectancy is significantly lower, it does not mean that there's not large amounts of older people in every developing country.
It is, as ever, going to be much worse for poorer nations

Rvsmmnps · 03-04-2020 11:35AM

EDit wrote: »

It’s irrelevant what happened in Italy in 2015/2016 as the country wasn’t on lockdown as it Is now. This is the problem. People compare the death rates under strict quarantine conditions with death rates from previous years when there were no quarantine conditions and say “look, it’s not that bad”

Well where are the stats for for standard flu?

DevilsHaircut · 03-04-2020 11:35AM

Covid 19 antibody/serology/blood tests (as opposed to the PCR/viral RNA/swab tests that Ireland is doing) have two potential uses:

(1) Identify donors of antibodies/plasma to treat the critically ill,
(2) Identify immune(?) people, who can return to work quickly, especially in the frontline

The test in the tweet below is Fastep by Assure Tech (named in FIND's WHO-linked list of suppliers).

https://twitter.com/HandtevyMD/status/1245832946612711424

https://twitter.com/JAMA_current/status/1243599613761896448

https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/pipeline/?section=immunoassays#diag_tab

tobefrank321 · 03-04-2020 11:36AM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Any chance you could just read the article before commenting?

"Because to get to the best case, that people like myself and Dr. Fauci are saying is about 18 months, we need to do safety and efficacy and build manufacturing."

Fair enough. 18 months so. Hardly a huge improvement on everyone else.

eagle eye · 03-04-2020 11:37AM

tobefrank321 wrote:

I think Gates should stick to what he's good at, making computers.

So you obviously didn't read what he said but just make comments about what he said?

otnomart · 03-04-2020 11:39AM

murpho999 wrote: »

I really don't think it would have.

Let's take Italy as an example.

If Irish skiers (which I think is where a lot of infections here have come from) in Italy were denied flights home they would have traveled him via another route, such as Austria, France or Switzerland. They would not have simply stayed in Italy.

These people probably went to Italy, caught the virus, and came home before even the first death in Italy.

Trumps stopped European flights with little impact.

The virus was already in the community here before any concerns about Italy or Spain were apparant.

I have just seen this today:
(Alongside people returning from Italy) "people returning from Austria and the UK account for most of the travel-related coronavirus cases that have been diagnosed in Ireland, an analysis of confirmed infections finds."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-italy-austria-and-uk-account-for-most-imported-cases-1.4212048

Rvsmmnps · 03-04-2020 11:40AM

EDit wrote: »

It’s irrelevant what happened in Italy in 2015/2016 as the country wasn’t on lockdown as it Is now. This is the problem. People compare the death rates under strict quarantine conditions with death rates from previous years when there were no quarantine conditions and say “look, it’s not that bad”

Second quote sorry

We must compare irragarless of social situation. Death rates are solid figures, how people died gives us details. The country (Italy) looses alot of people to flu each winter season. 25k seems like alot. But that didn't really hit the headlines.
Anyway I just wanted to know what the current standard flu deaths were or are for the past winter.. In italy

gabeeg · 03-04-2020 11:42AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

Second quote sorry

We must compare irragarless of social situation. Death rates are solid figures, how people died gives us details. The country (Italy) looses alot of people to flu each winter season. 25k seems like alot. But that didn't really hit the headlines.
Anyway I just wanted to know what the current standard flu deaths were or are for the past winter.. In italy

Good effort

tobefrank321 · 03-04-2020 11:43AM

eagle eye wrote: »

So you obviously didn't read what he said but just make comments about what he said?

There are many plans to make a vaccine. Realistically the earliest one will be 18 months from now for a variety of reasons, even if you rush things.

A vaccine in 18 months is great, but it doesn't solve the problem of how to salvage the world economy while also stopping the maximum amount of people dying from it in the meantime.

So by the time a vaccine is on stream, you could have collapsed economies, huge debt mountains, many dead, overwhelmed healthcare systems and so on.

A vaccine is part of the solution but only part.

Hamsterchops · 03-04-2020 11:43AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

The winter of 2015 into 2016 seen almost 25,000 deaths in Italy due to influenza.
Corona virus so far has killed 14,000 people in Italy so far, where could I see a Stat for the current amount of deaths attributed to standard flu in Italy for this season?

Another thought provoking stat, and as I said in my last post, we'll only know what has really happened in a year or two when the dust has settled.

moritz1234 · 03-04-2020 11:45AM

ShayNanigan wrote: »

Could well have been. More and more reports around the world, including research papers about the mutations/strains of the virus, suggesting it has been circulating at least since November.

The death rates don't seem to back up this conspiracy theory.

eagle eye · 03-04-2020 11:46AM

Rvsmmnps wrote:

We must compare irragarless of social situation. Death rates are solid figures, how people died gives us details. The country (Italy) looses alot of people to flu each winter season. 25k seems like alot. But that didn't really hit the headlines. Anyway I just wanted to know what the current standard flu deaths were or are for the past winter.. In italy

This thread is about the worldwide pandemic know as coronavirus covid-19. It's killing many people in many countries all across the planet.
We are not discussing flu here. Anything you come up with is only going to pertain to one country and is irrelevant as far as covid-19 is concerned.
It's completely pointless even as far as Italy is concerned.

Tacitus Kilgore · 03-04-2020 11:46AM

otnomart wrote: »

I have just seen this today:
(Alongside people returning from Italy) "people returning from Austria and the UK account for most of the travel-related coronavirus cases that have been diagnosed in Ireland, an analysis of confirmed infections finds."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-italy-austria-and-uk-account-for-most-imported-cases-1.4212048

Ishgl ski resort was riddled with it, and not acted on fast enough according to some media accounts.

citysights · 03-04-2020 11:47AM

Minister Simon Harris has signed two statutory instruments relating to prescriptions.

The maximum validity of a prescription has increased from six to nine months.

The Medicinal Products (Prescriptions and Control of Supply) ( Amendment) Regulation 2020 allows for the electronic transfer of prescriptions to a pharmacy via the HSE’s Healthmail an electronic system.

Some temporary changes to the way in which prescriptions can be repeated are also being introduced to ensure that continuity of care of patients without necessarily requiring a new prescription.

ChikiChiki · 03-04-2020 11:47AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I think Gates should stick to what he's good at, making computers.

Vaccines are a complicated business and best left to those with experience in the field.

If you rush a cv19 vaccine or get it wrong, you could end up giving narcolepsy or the like to a perfectly healthy individual who might have only got a mild dose of cv19 or none at all. In fact I'd nearly prefer a mild dose of cv19 if it could be guaranteed than a vaccine that hasn't been rigorously tested.

And maybe that's the route they should be going down, identify the mildest strain of covid 19 and immunise volunteers with a low viral load. And then study the results.

You obviously know very little about Bill Gates. Making computers only a part of what he does.

bunderoon · 03-04-2020 11:49AM

moritz1234 wrote: »

The death rates don't seem to back up this conspiracy theory.

Whats the conspiracy?
Or did you just mean theory?

lastusername · 03-04-2020 11:51AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You obviously know very little about Bill Gates. Making computers only a part of what he does.

Lol yes, Bill Gates hasn't been involved in day to day operations at Microsoft for donkey's years, he even recently resigned as chairman.

Obviously a smart guy, massively connected and massively rich; meaning he and his foundation has the capacity to get things moving very quickly.

lastusername · 03-04-2020 11:52AM

Bought some masks on Amazon, delivery date is May but I'd say it's going to be mid-May at the earliest before restrictions start to loosen, and of course that's dependent on the rate of infection consistently in decline.

03-04-2020 11:52AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

What did you predict?

That the PPE in these Chinese flights would be junk. Cobbled together by opportunists to make a quick buck.

"Some elements of the first batch are not ideal but may be usable if an alternative supply is not available."

May be usable if we have nothing else is diplomatic way of saying total crap.

Multiple countries have said they've gotten total rubbish in these shipments, some have been more diplomatic about it than others.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/some-protection-equipment-from-china-not-ideal-hse-says-1.4219452

tobefrank321 · 03-04-2020 11:52AM

otnomart wrote: »

I have just seen this today:
(Alongside people returning from Italy) "people returning from Austria and the UK account for most of the travel-related coronavirus cases that have been diagnosed in Ireland, an analysis of confirmed infections finds."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-italy-austria-and-uk-account-for-most-imported-cases-1.4212048

As soon as they identify hotspots, they should restrict flights directly from there, and quarantine those who come from there. You can quarantine a number of ways - in a special hotel or at home. There is no easy way to quarantine though as you still risk spreading. But its far better to quarantine than continue with your daily life of going to work, using public transport, going to the pub - and that's what likely happened with IRish people returning from Italy and Austria.

We didn't do any of that at the start. No advice to self quarantine unless symptoms showed which of course meant you might already have spread it in the community.

As for people finding other ways home that is fine, but you are depending on them to use common sense to quarantine.

What happened with Italy though is we maintained an extensive schedule of flights to and from the hotspot region in the north. This means even when it was known there was a problem there, Irish people continued to fly there and back. Italians also continued to fly to Ireland. This was madness. As crazy as the Brits letting Cheltenham go ahead.

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