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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #7352
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Theres the possibility of a person working 2/3 days a week and getting SW for the other days.
    But with 350 a week thats still more than 100 plus 2/3 days social welfare.


  • #7353
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    A shoulder has already been jabbed!

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/03/17/first-person-injected-with-trial-coronavirus-vaccine-in-seattle/#7eb730292583

    In all fairness, I'd say they meant the first jab as part of a proper roll out. That's a clinical trial.


  • #7354
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Sweden not going in to lockdown has a death rate of 30 per million, ourselves going back to living in caves has a death rate of 20 per million. The suicide rate will put us many multiples ahead of Sweden.
    Population doesn't really come into it until the virus starts to run out of new hosts to infect.

    Comparing per million figures gives the impression Sweden has a death rate one and a half times ours. In reality it is three times ours and, if the rate of infection continues to increase, Sweden's rate will be even more.


  • #7355
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1246008663346679810?s=19


  • #7356
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    laurah591 wrote: »
    I know of an agency which supplies relief staff to nursing homes (Kitchen Porters/catering assistants etc) who are reporting that 50% of there staff are not available to work and in receipt of various covid payments. Now they are not all in self isolation and payments exceed there wages. I understand the governments reasoning for introducing additional support, but people should not be benefiting from these payments (ie doing better not at work). In addition, could payment system have been linked to employment sector opportunities (retail/manufacturing etc) - have we created a moral hazard situation?

    exactly. it's an ill thought out and deeply flawed system.


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  • #7357
    Snipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭Snipp


    gabeeg wrote: »
    The money is coming from his own PRSI contributions.

    It's given to people so they can manage when they're far too sick to work. To bang on about people feeling entitled is really ****ing mean.

    That is fair enough. We clearly have differing views.


  • #7358
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Apart from the outlier small counties of Andorra and San Marino....

    Belgium is going to become the third country to break the 100 deaths per million barrier, after Italy and Spain.

    How did they get it so wrong?

    Belgium is a very densely populated country.

    Andorra and San Marino the same.


  • #7359
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Here's that Google Mobility report on 131 countries.




    https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/

    That is actually really cool. You can see the big spike in grocery when they announced the schools were closing.


  • #7360
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    A shoulder has already been jabbed!

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/03/17/first-person-injected-with-trial-coronavirus-vaccine-in-seattle/#7eb730292583

    While promising, if you read the last line:
    Although the design and production of the prospective vaccine was incredibly fast, evaluation of it will take considerable time. All of the participants will be followed for 12 months after the second vaccination to collect the data researchers initially need to figure out whether it is safe and effective.

    And that's before you get to mass production.

    The main reason for extensive testing of vaccines is so the company who makes them don't get sued, unless governments indemnify them. We've seen what happens with a rushed to market swine flu vaccine in Ireland. The vaccine ends up far worse than the illness some might suffer and this could especially be the case with cv19.

    Realistically governments and all of us need to plan for the next 12 months without a vaccine. A lockdown of that length in not sustainable and even if it was there is still no guarantee of a vaccine at the end of it.


  • #7361
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    If I lived in New York I'm not sure seeing the empire state building lit up like a siren every night would make me feel calm in fact the opposite.

    The virus is going to peak in the next 2 weeks so making sure I have enough supplies in so I don't go out.

    Most of the podcasts I listen to are all focused on the pandemic now, initially it was fine but now it's too much.


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  • #7362
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    755aef91b49bc3815157a562099c8680.jpg

    Imagine how frustrated he will be if it snows the week he is banned!!


  • #7363
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    The virus is going to peak in the next 2 weeks

    Is it? Where did you see that?


  • #7364
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    froog wrote: »
    exactly. it's an ill thought out and deeply flawed system.

    And they had, like, a week or something, to set it up so that people wouldn't go hungry or risk their lives. Of course it's flawed, but it's a damn sight better than what other countries are doing.


  • #7365
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Imagine how frustrated he will be if it snows the week he is banned!!

    miss piggy might have a frog in her throat trying to relieve his stress


  • #7366
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    kilns wrote: »

    This is not for public consumption its a peer to peer conversation, you cant pull the wool over the eyes of people in the industry which you can with the general public

    It’s a corporate webinar. It is company propaganda. Talking about when a vaccine will be ready before it is fully tested is nonsense. I’m not sure how long you have worked in pharma, but I would encourage you to take such communication with a pinch of salt.


  • #7367
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    While promising, if you read the last line:



    And that's before you get to mass production.

    The main reason for extensive testing of vaccines is so the company who makes them don't get sued, unless governments indemnify them. We've seen what happens with a rushed to market swine flu vaccine in Ireland. The vaccine ends up far worse than the illness some might suffer and this could especially be the case with cv19.

    Realistically governments and all of us need to plan for the next 12 months without a vaccine. A lockdown of that length in not sustainable and even if it was there is still no guarantee of a vaccine at the end of it.

    Even then it will take some time to mass produce a vaccine. I fear this virus will be a problem for 2 years and possibly a bit longer.

    I don't think we will see restrictions like we have at the minute for that period, for a start the health system will learn to treat it more successfully and will be better equipped, us the virus won't be able to move as fast as there will be some level of immunity out there in time, but until the vast majority gets vaccinated then we will have to live with it and that could be 2022.

    Going of on a tangent here but I fear the real story will soon be the developing world. Their health systems are in serious danger there. We can keep the mortality rate down because we can treat almost everyone (although that's not guarented during the surge), who knows how many won't get the treatment they need in Africa, South America, the Sub Continent and in countries like Indonesia. It could be catastrophic.


  • #7368
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    If I lived in New York I'm not sure seeing the empire state building lit up like a siren every night would make me feel calm in fact the opposite.

    .

    I'm not sure it's about making people feel calm, more like a sense of solidarity I suppose.

    The empty hotel windows in vegas are lit up with messages. Doesn't make me feel calm but it's still uplifting in a weird way.


  • #7369
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Bill Gates speaks to Trevor Noah about vaccines and possibly opening the US by summer:

    https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-gates-daily-show-us-reopen-summer-wont-completely-normal/


    “If we get the right testing capacity, you can change by, literally millions, the number who are infected. Governments will eventually come up with lots of money for these things, but they don’t know where to direct it and they can’t move as quickly. And so because our foundation has such deep expertise in infectious diseases, we’ve thought about the epidemic. We did fund some things to be more prepared, like a vaccine effort.

    "Our early money can accelerate things. For example, of all the vaccine constructs, the seven-most promising of those — even though we’ll end up picking at most two of them, we’re going to find factories for all seven. It’s so that we don’t waste time in serially saying ‘OK, which vaccine works,’ and then building the factory. Because to get to the best case, that people like myself and Dr. Fauci are saying is about 18 months, we need to do safety and efficacy and build manufacturing. And they’re different for the different constructs.

    It’ll be a few billion dollars we’ll waste on manufacturing for the constructs that don’t get picked because something else is better. But a few billion in the situation we’re in, where there’s trillions of dollars being lost economically, it is worth it.

    In normal government procurement processes and understanding which are the right seven, in a few months, those may kick in. But our foundation, we can get that bootstrapped and get it going and save months, because every month counts.”


  • #7370
    Rvsmmnps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Rvsmmnps


    The winter of 2015 into 2016 seen almost 25,000 deaths in Italy due to influenza.
    Corona virus so far has killed 14,000 people in Italy so far, where could I see a Stat for the current amount of deaths attributed to standard flu in Italy for this season?


  • #7371
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I think Gates should stick to what he's good at, making computers.

    Vaccines are a complicated business and best left to those with experience in the field.

    If you rush a cv19 vaccine or get it wrong, you could end up giving narcolepsy or the like to a perfectly healthy individual who might have only got a mild dose of cv19 or none at all. In fact I'd nearly prefer a mild dose of cv19 if it could be guaranteed than a vaccine that hasn't been rigorously tested.

    And maybe that's the route they should be going down, identify the mildest strain of covid 19 and immunise volunteers with a low viral load. And then study the results.


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  • #7372
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    bilston wrote: »
    Even then it will take some time to mass produce a vaccine. I fear this virus will be a problem for 2 years and possibly a bit longer.

    I don't think we will see restrictions like we have at the minute for that period, for a start the health system will learn to treat it more successfully and will be better equipped, us the virus won't be able to move as fast as there will be some level of immunity out there in time, but until the vast majority gets vaccinated then we will have to live with it and that could be 2022.

    Going of on a tangent here but I fear the real story will soon be the developing world. Their health systems are in serious danger there. We can keep the mortality rate down because we can treat almost everyone (although that's not guarented during the surge), who knows how many won't get the treatment they need in Africa, South America, the Sub Continent and in countries like Indonesia. It could be catastrophic.
    I agree about the vaccine. There is an extensive process of testing and evaluation involved that has to be gone through before a vaccine can be approved.
    I’m not so sure that the developing world will be affected as bad as we might imagine. They tend to have much younger populations, (ironically, because of their poorly developed health services).


  • #7373
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Rvsmmnps wrote: »
    The winter of 2015 into 2016 seen almost 25,000 deaths in Italy due to influenza.
    Corona virus so far has killed 14,000 people in Italy so far, where could I see a Stat for the current amount of deaths attributed to standard flu in Italy for this season?

    It's only been a month or two and the country has been on lockdown for weeks.


  • #7374
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I agree about the vaccine. There is an extensive process of testing and evaluation involved that has to be gone through before a vaccine can be approved.
    I’m not so sure that the developing world will be affected as bad as we might imagine. They tend to have much younger populations, (ironically, because of their poorly developed health services).

    That's a very good point that I hadn't considered about the developing world.

    However what we know in Europe is that while 95% of patients to die have been over the age of 60, there do seem to be a number of patients in their 30s, 40s and 50s (even younger in some cases) who suffer severe symtpoms and need hospital care to varying degrees. That treatment might not be available in the developing world, but yeah you're right the younger populations might mean the number of deaths isn't as severe as I had originally feared.


  • #7375
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I think Gates should stick to what he's good at, making computers.

    Vaccines are a complicated business and best left to those with experience in the field.

    If you rush a cv19 vaccine or get it wrong, you could end up giving narcolepsy or the like to a perfectly healthy individual who might have only got a mild dose of cv19 or none at all. In fact I'd nearly prefer a mild dose of cv19 if it could be guaranteed than a vaccine that hasn't been rigorously tested.

    And maybe that's the route they should be going down, identify the mildest strain of covid 19 and immunise volunteers with a low viral load. And then study the results.

    I'm pretty sure Bill Gates has a huge team of experts in that regard that he's funnelling money towards. That would be obvious he's not going at this personally pulling a John Wayne, he references his foundation.


  • #7376
    EDit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    Rvsmmnps wrote: »
    98 deaths per 5 million.I over heard an old chap saying if this were the 1980s this would have been labeled as a "bad dose going around"

    Lets hope nout fishy is going on.

    That’s the death rate with most people in the country shut up in their homes. If we just carried on as normal, the death count would be considerably higher


  • #7377
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    the lockdown is leading to meltdowns even online, I really hope they relax it for the sake of mental health

    Lockdown is finishing at the end of this month!

    according to some posters on here.


  • #7378
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I agree about the vaccine. There is an extensive process of testing and evaluation involved that has to be gone through before a vaccine can be approved.
    I’m not so sure that the developing world will be affected as bad as we might imagine. They tend to have much younger populations, (ironically, because of their poorly developed health services).

    Agreed. One of the reasons why Italy, Spain and the UK have been badly hit is their much older populations. World class healthcare systems mean at the same time a much older population. There will be deaths in the developing world but far less and the number of confirmed cases will be far less due to less testing.


  • #7379
    EDit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    Rvsmmnps wrote: »
    The winter of 2015 into 2016 seen almost 25,000 deaths in Italy due to influenza.
    Corona virus so far has killed 14,000 people in Italy so far, where could I see a Stat for the current amount of deaths attributed to standard flu in Italy for this season?

    It’s irrelevant what happened in Italy in 2015/2016 as the country wasn’t on lockdown as it Is now. This is the problem. People compare the death rates under strict quarantine conditions with death rates from previous years when there were no quarantine conditions and say “look, it’s not that bad”


  • #7380
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,569 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I think Gates should stick to what he's good at, making computers.

    Vaccines are a complicated business and best left to those with experience in the field.

    If you rush a cv19 vaccine or get it wrong, you could end up giving narcolepsy or the like to a perfectly healthy individual who might have only got a mild dose of cv19 or none at all. In fact I'd nearly prefer a mild dose of cv19 if it could be guaranteed than a vaccine that hasn't been rigorously tested.

    And maybe that's the route they should be going down, identify the mildest strain of covid 19 and immunise volunteers with a low viral load. And then study the results.

    Gates is an industrialist.....a titan..

    Ultimately it is people like him and political figures that get things done....

    They don't necessarily need to know a damn thing about anything (though Gates is very well educated and very well read)

    It's their passion, commitment, desire and all around facilitating skills that get things done. They bring people together....and it is this that will beat the spread. Bringing the best people together...


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  • #7381
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Finishing at the end of this month!

    according to some posters in here.

    There's two hopes of that happening, Bob Hope and no hope. Covid-19 is unlikely to reach a crest here for at least a fortnight. Imagine it will be well into May before restrictions are relaxed in piecemeal fashion.


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