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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #6962
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Yes, George Lee mentioned earlier.


    Can the labs that usually test for the veterinary world help I wonder?:confused:


  • #6963
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Can the labs that usually test for the veterinary world help I wonder?:confused:

    Wouldn't think so. It's the lack of reagent that seems to be the issue.


  • #6964
    sadie1502
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭sadie1502


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Can the labs that usually test for the veterinary world help I wonder?:confused:

    Of course why not. They are labs. They can test the swabs.


  • #6965
    CitizenFloor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭CitizenFloor


    kilkenny31 wrote:
    Just reading through the numbers there. We are doing exceptionally well, it doesn't look like we'll see a surge. Only 100 ish patients in ICU at this stage is remarkable. Seems like all the hard work paid off thankfully.


    Is paying off. It's a game of two halves.


  • #6966
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    sadie1502 wrote: »
    Of course why not. They are labs. They can test the swabs.

    No, they need pcr kits with right reagent.


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  • #6967
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭blackcard


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Just reading through the numbers there. We are doing exceptionally well, it doesn't look like we'll see a surge. Only 100 ish patients in ICU at this stage is remarkable. Seems like all the hard work paid off thankfully.

    Far too early to be complacent. Also, I think that only 14 of those that died had been in ICU. Not sure why such a small number, I thought the most serious cases would have been in ICU. Maybe not moving elderly people from nursing homes? An element of triaigeing?


  • #6968
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,082 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Wouldn't think so. It's the lack of reagent that seems to be the issue.

    a proprietary reagent i think? i wonder could they make it if free to do so?


  • #6969
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    blackcard wrote: »
    Far too early to be complacent. Also, I think that only 14 of those that died had been in ICU. Not sure why such a small number, I thought the most serious cases would have been in ICU. Maybe not moving elderly people from nursing homes? An element of triaigeing?

    I would imagine many deaths have been in nursing homes.


  • #6970
    sadie1502
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭sadie1502


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    No, they need pcr kits with right reagent.

    Well they can test once they have the reagents.


  • #6971
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    sadie1502 wrote: »
    Well they can test once they have the reagents.

    Which there is a shortage of. That's the bottleneck, not lab space.


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  • #6972
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    mikeecho wrote: »
    I had an interaction with two members of the homeless community today.

    They were both placed in a HSE building for isolation.
    Of course they were outside, pissed and being a general nuisance.

    These ppl don't give a f u CK. They'll tell you that they're infected, yet they will go to the local Centra/spar etc, get their drink and be funts

    The Gardai have no powers or facilities to deal with them.

    It's time to ship them all off to a secure camp, be it temple more, the curragh, or one of the islands.

    Civil liberties be damned.

    Maybe you should try out a stint of voluntary work with these so called ppl...you may find you will have a different outlook!


  • #6973
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    a proprietary reagent i think? i wonder could they make it if free to do so?

    Good question. I don't know.


  • #6974
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,732 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    MipMap wrote: »
    Three needles in your left arm. Still have the marks.
    Like a little triangle.

    that was the test if you flared up from that you got a shot in your upper arm which left a scar

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #6975
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Just reading through the numbers there. We are doing exceptionally well, it doesn't look like we'll see a surge. Only 100 ish patients in ICU at this stage is remarkable. Seems like all the hard work paid off thankfully.

    Out of 402 new cases today some of them will end up in ICU too. And most of them will have been confirmed in hospital or nursing home settings as that is where priority testing is. In that way relentless day by day.

    It's not just the rate of increase. The actual numbers do matter.

    No point in the rate of growth being x percentage if that number is going to overwhelm capacity.

    Need to get those numbers down A LOT.


  • #6976
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    blackcard wrote: »
    Far too early to be complacent. Also, I think that only 14 of those that died had been in ICU. Not sure why such a small number, I thought the most serious cases would have been in ICU. Maybe not moving elderly people from nursing homes? An element of triaigeing?

    Was also covered in today's briefing.

    Not everyone goes to ICU as there may not be any benefit to them

    I.e. they may actually die due to an underlying condition but are reported as a Covid death if positive


  • #6977
    sadie1502
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭sadie1502


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Which there is a shortage of. That's the bottleneck, not lab space.

    Well it is the lab space too once they get the reagents. And the testing increases the labs currently will not manage the numbers.


  • #6978
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    An excellent tutorial about using gloves and masks properly here

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112858611&postcount=4

    I don’t know ... the linked video is useful but besides that the poster is mostly lecturing and looking down at others assuming everyone else doesn’t know what types of masks are useful and implying people who have masks should be blamed for not giving them to hospitals.

    Plus he is actually not explaining the key difference between surgical masks (which mostly protect others form the wearer) and FFP2/FFP3 masks (which only protect the wearer from others if they have a valve and work both ways if they don’t have one). So a person who actually doesn’t know about this stuff and reads his post might actually be mislead about what type of protection is offered by the masks they have.


  • #6979
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭blackcard


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    a proprietary reagent i think? i wonder could they make it if free to do so?

    Listening to the Pat Kenny Show today, the manufacturer of the reagents is complicated enough, you couldn't start from scratch too easily


  • #6980
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Worst thing to do now is to get complacent.

    We have months of this ahead so let's not go all George Bush and declare victory prematurely.

    Personally, I'm planning for disruption well into next year. No doubt restrictions will be lifted to add some flow to the economy but they will have to be put down again. That's going to be the way it is until a working vaccine is found.


  • #6981
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    sadie1502 wrote: »
    Well it is the lab space too once they get the reagents. And the testing increases the labs currently will not manage the numbers.

    Don't think so? The testing can be ramped up a lot if the reagents are there.

    I could be wrong though, it's been 25 years since I stepped foot inside a medical lab. Open to correction.


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  • #6982
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    We know it's a family of viruses. This new one is a novel type of Coronavirus. Never existed before. Completely different from the others in the family. Only commonality is its morphology, ie the spikes on the surface.

    Virology is sure interesting, but I'm not sure what you are suggesting?

    Im suggesting people should be mindful of the wording coronavirus/covid19 when it comes to media...that is all.


  • #6983
    JoChervil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    I wonder if different calculation of number Covid-19 victims in France has anything to do with EU economical help to the hardest hit countries?


  • #6984
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Out of 402 new cases today some of them will end up in ICU too. And most of them will have been confirmed in hospital or nursing home settings as that is where priority testing is. In that way relentless day by day.

    It's not just the rate of increase. The actual numbers do matter.

    No point in the rate of growth being x percentage if that number is going to overwhelm capacity.

    Need to get those numbers down A LOT.

    I know. But the fact is the rate at which people are dying and the rate at which people are being admitted into ICU is low and not growing at a substantial rate. Obviously the hospitals are going to be busy but not overwhelmed giving the numbers that have been released to date. I'd imagine at the peak it may be 30-50 deaths per day which is awful but nowhere near as bad as it could have been.


  • #6985
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Interesting program about China's response. It is good that these programs are being aired because I feel China in some form should be held accountable after this is over.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEQcvcyzQGE


  • #6986
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Stheno wrote: »
    Was also covered in today's briefing.

    Not everyone goes to ICU as there may not be any benefit to them

    I.e. they may actually die due to an underlying condition but are reported as a Covid death if positive

    Yeah the last point here is critical.

    I hope I don’t sound callous but in nursing homes, when people of ailing health with a median age of 92 contract an infection, they are not going to go to hospital.
    The main object of the staff is to make the patient as comfortable as possible.

    When a patient has a covid - 19 positive test and dies, it is often not the cause of death.


  • #6987
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    QwNzhpF.png

    Plenty of willing victims being prepared across America it seems.

    How many people in that photo can you picture hooked up to a ventilator? Three at least. That guy with the beard stuffing his face, was it worth it?


  • #6988
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    macmahon wrote: »
    Im suggesting people should be mindful of the wording coronavirus/covid19 when it comes to media...that is all.

    Yes sure. I understand. You are correct.

    The WHO took their time in naming the new virus, and in the meantime everyone was talking about the novel Coronavirus. Since called simply Coronavirus.

    I think the current virus is called SARS 2 Coronavirus, and the illness it causes, Covid19.

    Obviously most people will know what you mean by the word Coronavirus in the current context, but it's a shorthand.


  • #6989
    CitizenFloor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭CitizenFloor


    Wish one of the journalists would ask about ventilators. Great, we created extra capacity with ICU beds. Does each ICU bed have a ventilator? The ventilators are the important piece of equipment. If we have 500 ICU beds but only 250 ICU beds have ventilators, I know which bed I'd choose.......my own bed at home, but you get the point.


  • #6990
    ihdxwz4a3pem9j
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭ihdxwz4a3pem9j


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    How many people in that photo can you picture hooked up to a ventilator? Three at least. That guy with the beard stuffing his face, was it worth it?

    People can be incredibly naive. When I speak to people in the hospital who develop an acute illness (they were previously well), the common theme is shock, that they were going around their daily lives as normal, and suddenly they have landed in critical care.

    On behalf of society and ourselves, we should not be complacent. Any of us can find ourselves on that ventilator.

    That said, I think unlike the American people in that photo, we are doing a terrific job at the minute, with the restrictions. People really care about curbing the spread, and protecting the vulnerable. I am really proud to be Irish.

    Also, I have friends working in critical care abroad. They have absolutely zero, or minimal PPE. They feel completely let-down by their systems. I feel very relieved that I stayed put in Ireland


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  • #6991
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I've seen many wear scarves over their mouths when I went shopping a few days ago.

    Is there any evidence for this measure? Or should we just do it anyway before the evidence comes in, one way or another?

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245822708337827840?s=19


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