CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

jobeenfitz · 02-04-2020 02:06PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

You mean lock everyone in houses with chains as in some parts of China - and not have 2km radius to exercise?

Oh wait that’s right we won’t allow that to happen

What chains are ya on about, shur he's only talking about wearing a mask? I think ya might be too tightly wound up there?

MipMap · 02-04-2020 02:06PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

What chains are ya on about, shur he's only talking about wearing a mask? I think ya might be too tightly wound up there?

WUM - Ignored

Not You HIM

callaway92 · 02-04-2020 02:07PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

unemployment going to 20% in USA

'' never seen before, 20% omg, I never thought I’d see such a print in my lifetime'''

I don't get it, 20% ? I thought it would be at 90% . so 80% of people still working in USA or getting paid.

What???

You thought unemployment would go to 90 fúcking percent

Ace2007 · 02-04-2020 02:07PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

unemployment going to 20% in USA

'' never seen before, 20% omg, I never thought I’d see such a print in my lifetime'''

I don't get it, 20% ? I thought it would be at 90% . so 80% of people still working in USA or getting paid.

What % of Irelands workforce is currently unemployed - I think it would be lower than some people are making out

rossie1977 · 02-04-2020 02:09PM

Austria look to be the first country in Europe that's beginning to flatten curve after a widespread outbreak.

BanditLuke · 02-04-2020 02:09PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Any one of us could have this virus unless we have zero contact with outside world. It's hard to have zero contact if you want to eat or if you live with someone else.

We know infected people can spray virus by coughing, sneezing, shouting and maybe while just talking. Some times they contaminate goods we buy or just things we touch.

Now if ur wearing a mask it prevents the spread by these methods . It's common sense.

The availability can be solved. You don't need a mask fit for the operating table.

Im in Spain and anytime I've been to shop since lockdown over two weeks ago, virtually everyone was wearing a mask.

If people start dying in big numbers people will change their mind and wear masks.

Did our weekly shop again this morning. Guy at the door of Lidl was telling people one in one out and only 50 in the shop at any one time. Out of that 50 i'd say 10 had masks on including myself. None of the staff had any. Took me the guts of 90 minutes to wipe all the shopping down and disgard some boxes etc...cloths straight off into washing machine then into shower.

I feel like some people are being given really bad advice on the mask situation, it's for the good of everyone to stop you breathing, coughing or sneezing on produce/other people and along with good hand hygiene it really works.

Reckless Abandonment · 02-04-2020 02:10PM

Tony EH wrote: »

You realise that the essential ingredient of "social distancing" is people staying at home right?

No it's about keeping you distance from people you dont need to mix with. It can be very strict or relaxed a bit. Many work places currently closed can an will find way to make this work .

Ace2007 · 02-04-2020 02:12PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

What chains are ya on about, shur he's only talking about wearing a mask? I think ya might be too tightly wound up there?

The poster I originally replied to said that we should look at wuhan as example - they wear Masks - I simple pointed out that they are also chained into their houses - and have gotten over the virus and asked should we not do this as well given it proven to work.

Everyone has the same goal - this virus needs to go - however everyone in here seems to have a different view on how it goes - the quickest way would be obv to follow wuhun approach to a tee - but we as a society won’t do that - so now we are left to follow an unproven approach because as a society we don’t want tougher restrictions.

Wear masks, don’t wear masks, if your practicing social distancing and staying indoors a lot it won’t make much if any difference.

Would gloves not be equally as important if not more - but you don’t see people banging on about them -

Reckless Abandonment · 02-04-2020 02:12PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

And what happens if say the virus mutated and the mortality and morbidity rates for children was over 25% - would you be ok with this?

This idea of sure we can try and see how it pans out is ridiculous - your talking about lives - this isn’t brexit where someone might lose their business - this is way way more important than that -

Seriously what ifs!!! We are in a world of what ifs now like it or not. In a few week people are going to be screaming for the rules to he relaxed. What if the virus mutated to something last dangerous

spookwoman · 02-04-2020 02:13PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245713439445659649?s=20

Tony EH · 02-04-2020 02:13PM

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

No it's about keeping you distance from people you dont need to mix with..

That's just a part of it. The MAIN part is staying at home.

facehugger99 · 02-04-2020 02:13PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

What % of Irelands workforce is currently unemployed - I think it would be lower than some people are making out

20% of the labour force are now claiming jobless benefits or wage subsidies and we are at the very early stages of economic impact. We may be looking at over 30% in the next few weeks.

That is frightening.

At the height of the last recession the unemployment rate was 18%.

How we will run a health, education or SW system with a third of the Country out of work, is a question that the bedroom-dwelling, lockdown-merchants can't answer.

ChikiChiki · 02-04-2020 02:13PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

What % of Irelands workforce is currently unemployed - I think it would be lower than some people are making out

Back of a fag box calc;

513000 claiming Covid 19 Benefits
2471700 in Labour Force

Currently around 21% at a conservative guess. Can probably add more dole regulars to that.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 02:14PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why haven't you come up with a single alternative to that system yet?

It takes time to come up with revolutionary proposals to anything. Firstly you have to study the problem in detail.

Also unless you have ideas of your own, I don't think you can throw stones?

Numerous approaches can be looked at. The Chinese own several trillion in government bonds. I have no doubt when new bonds are issued including by our own government, the Chinese will buy them up. The Chinese will make a fortune out of this downturn. That is fundamentally wrong.

They by and large caused this downturn, although other countries didn't help themselves.

Strazdas · 02-04-2020 02:14PM

Dept of Health briefing is at 5.30pm again today

Reckless Abandonment · 02-04-2020 02:14PM

Tony EH wrote: »

That's just a part of it. The MAIN part is staying at home.

Stay at home for now. It was always going to be relaxed at some point. Like it or not we can't keep people and the economy locked up indefinitely

MOR316 · 02-04-2020 02:15PM

All this talk of wearing masks is seriously putting me in the mood to check out PornHub premium

Martina1991 · 02-04-2020 02:15PM

devnull wrote:

Still little testing in UK

The vast majority of those on hospitalised patients.

+4,000 cases from +7,000 people tested is a lot.

spookwoman · 02-04-2020 02:16PM

I take it we are still getting our daily fines from the EU

petes · 02-04-2020 02:17PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

2

How we will run a health, education or SW system with a third of the Country out of work, is a question that the bedroom-dwelling, lockdown-merchants can't answer.

Multiple times now you've been asked what your suggestions are and multiple times you've ignored the question.

Either answer it if you are so knowledgeable or stop posting drivel.

Tony EH · 02-04-2020 02:17PM

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

Stay at home for now. It was always going to be relaxed at some point. Like it or not we can't keep people and the economy locked up indefinitely

Nobody is saying that.

walshb · 02-04-2020 02:17PM

UK had 569 deaths today?:eek:

caveat emptor · 02-04-2020 02:18PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Nope. Not getting drawn into that one. You've contributed absolutely nothing yourself other than "blah blah the economy", yet you're expecting anyone criticising your nonsense to have all the answers.

The economy is a human construct, therefore it can be modified by humans. Your idea of restarting the economy and letting the virus run wild is naive at best and sociopathic at worst.

Watch out for ideologues.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 02:19PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

20% of the labour force are now claiming jobless benefits or wage subsidies and we are at the very early stages of economic impact. We may be looking at over 30% in the next few weeks.

That is frightening.

At the height of the last recession the unemployment rate was 18%.

How we will run a health, education or SW system with a third of the Country out of work, is a question that the bedroom-dwelling, lockdown-merchants can't answer.

Honestly you need to start coming up with ideas of your own. All I am seeing is "lift the lockdown".

Replace it with what?

We can lift it, but what about the economic cost of millions of people being sick at once, tens of thousands dying, ICUs being overwhelmed, people being left to die with easily treatable illnesses such as heart attacks or in car crashes, and so on.

What's your alternative? In detail?

Ace2007 · 02-04-2020 02:19PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Back of a fag box calc;

513000 claiming Covid 19 Benefits
2471700 in Labour Force

Currently around 21% at a conservative guess. Can probably add more dole regulars to that.

At any one time there is probably 4% unemployed, so there has been maybe 17% rise. Still large % are working.

Main unemployment would be:

Construction and related trades
Pub staff and related suppliers
Tourism

Tourism is obv a bigger issue as it brings money into the economy from abroad.

With multinational firms being office based you’d assume 90% of their workers are working from home, so unlike the last crash I think that economy will pick up quicker.

Bob24 · 02-04-2020 02:20PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Apparently, the US are now pretty much hijacking masks and PPE bound to other countries on Chinese roads and even on the tarmac of Chinese airports by offering double price in cash to reroute the containers.

Confirmed by a French politician here that masks being loaded on a plane to France were snapped in that way yesterday and that it isn't the first time: https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/provence-alpes-cote-d-azur/grosse-commande-masques-aurait-du-arriver-france-elle-ira-finalement-aux-etats-unis-annonce-renaud-muselier-1810096.html

Summary in English: https://www.rt.com/news/484723-us-france-face-masks/

For people who were questioning French and Russian sources, now also reported in UK media: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/french-officials-describe-assault-course-nations-obtain-protective/

BanditLuke · 02-04-2020 02:20PM

walshb wrote: »

UK had 569 deaths today?:eek:

They are actually doing better than i expected at this stage. Hopefully the numbers don't rise any higher than that.

facehugger99 · 02-04-2020 02:20PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Nope. Not getting drawn into that one. You've contributed absolutely nothing yourself other than "blah blah the economy", yet you're expecting anyone criticising your nonsense to have all the answers.

The economy is a human construct, therefore it can be modified by humans. Your idea of restarting the economy and letting the virus run wild is naive at best and sociopathic at worst.

You're the one bleating on about how it needs to be changed and I presume you're a human, so why don't you give one suggestion? - just one.

Even a small one

Kermit.de.frog · 02-04-2020 02:21PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

20% of the labour force are now claiming jobless benefits or wage subsidies and we are at the very early stages of economic impact. We may be looking at over 30% in the next few weeks.

That is frightening.

At the height of the last recession the unemployment rate was 18%.

How we will run a health, education or SW system with a third of the Country out of work, is a question that the bedroom-dwelling, lockdown-merchants can't answer.

I don't know who you are blaming or what solution you are putting forward.

Ace2007 · 02-04-2020 02:21PM

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

Seriously what ifs!!! We are in a world of what ifs now like it or not. In a few week people are going to be screaming for the rules to he relaxed. What if the virus mutated to something last dangerous

No people won’t be and the simple reason is that Irish people are educated enough and will see the UK for instance 600+ deaths a day - and be like yes it’s **** in Ireland but could be a hell of a lot worse so let’s just continue the way we are

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP