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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #5942
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Observation (long piece) on how this virus is affecting how we behave.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200401-covid-19-how-fear-of-coronavirus-is-changing-our-psychology


  • #5943
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It's thought around 15% of those infected will suffer those kind of severe symptoms, footballers Pepe Reina and Paulo Dybala described similar situations which were difficult and frightful to read.

    We should all be aware that those things could realistically happen to us or someone close to us and if it concentrates the mind for staying indoors then media is having a positive impact in publishing them.

    Yes and statistics show that 18% of 20-40 year old's who contract the illness will record a video saying "I thought it couldn't happen to me, the media told us it doesn't affect young people, but it does.."


  • #5944
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    growleaves wrote: »
    Chinese markets again selling bats -- likely source of deadly pandemic -- reporters say



    This bat soup must be really nice, people can't get enough of it.

    "British reporters say"

    Its possible it's true but I'd be very cynical about any vague reporting relating to China at the moment when the US and UK especially see them as their scapegoat for blame and anger.


  • #5945
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    Nermal wrote: »
    If Sweden had followed Norway and Denmark, instead of 239 deaths, they would have had between 80-180.

    Calling any of those figures 'disastrous' is ludicrous.

    This time last year, if I suggested shutting millions of people into their homes for weeks at a time to save between 60 and 160 people, I would have been laughed at.

    This is a mass delusion. In a year you won't wonder what came over you to think that this was reasonable - you'll deny you ever thought it was a good idea at all.

    I wonder if their health care system can manage it more than heat for example. I would think that actions will be in proportion to what a countries healthcare system can manage


  • #5946
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    crx=== wrote: »
    Food could become the new currency...

    This disagrees with you completely.

    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200401-covid-19-why-we-wont-run-out-of-food-during-coronavirus


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  • #5947
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    growleaves wrote: »
    Yes and statistics show that 18% of 20-40 year old's who contract the illness will record a video saying "I thought it couldn't happen to me, the media told us it doesn't affect young people, but it does.."
    I'm sure it's 23%!


  • #5948
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Off to collect a ParcelMotel in a minute, just running through the military-style preparations in my head. Leaving the house these days always brings this line to mind:
    Stretching-it-to-something-the-statute-didnt-intend.-2-5.png

    I hate to be Nerdy here, but wasn't that Bilbo who said that ?
    :)


  • #5949
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    1wizards sleeve wrote: »
    A lot of farmers will go bust. Especially beef farmers

    a lot of every type of worker will lose their jobs.


  • #5950
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    kingshankly wrote: »
    Before people criticise or be pedantic they need to realise they don’t know what’s going on in someone’s life and what people are going through we all need to be a lot nicer and kinder at the moment

    Yes no need for any aggro, don’t know why people treat others like that. I hope the person who was up with his son has the support he needs. Very challenging time especially for children with additional needs and their families without the supports they need. People really need to be kinder to one another


  • #5951
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,487 ✭✭✭circadian


    growleaves wrote: »
    Chinese markets again selling bats -- likely source of deadly pandemic -- reporters say



    This bat soup must be really nice, people can't get enough of it.

    Washington Times, rag that is not exadctly trustworthy quotes Daily Mail which is less trustworthy which quotes "sources say".

    Unless there's actual evidence then this is nothing more than clickbait.


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  • #5952
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    We'll see how much higher it goes but relatively speaking they're still doing better than a lot of European countries.

    The US is 5 times bigger than the UK for instance but only has twice their death rate.

    The big problem is New York state, 505 deaths today accounting for half of all deaths.
    Relative population doesn't matter until infections reach a point where it is reaching a point where there are not enough people who have not yet been infected for it to start affecting the transmission rate.

    At this time a simple numerical comparison is more valid than relatively speaking.

    The US has twice the UK death rate which in itself is not great. That should be worrying the US administration.

    With a larger population the US has a larger pool into which the infection can spread at an ever increasing rate and for a longer time if unckecked. The population size is more relevant to how long it takes and how many people can be infected before it runs out of new victims and burns itself out.

    The US is in far worse condition than UK (or Ireland) and has the potential to grow more.

    When the pandemic is over relative comparisons of infection, hospitalisation, ICU admission and mortality can be used to measure the relative effectiveness of different countries mitigation efforts but at the moment, while we are a long way away from saturation rates of infection, absolute values from day zero are a more valid measure.


  • #5953
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    Instructions are on the back of the label.

    When it comes to cleaning groceries from the shop, what's best to use? We have some Dettol wipes, but have thick bleach also, could use instead. Actually, what is the difference between thick/thin bleach? :confused:
    Should we just use soapy water and a cloth?


  • #5954
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Rain starting out there.

    Now I'm worried.


  • #5955
    ShayNanigan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭ShayNanigan


    growleaves wrote: »
    Chinese markets again selling bats -- likely source of deadly pandemic -- reporters say



    This bat soup must be really nice, people can't get enough of it.

    Watch the video "I Found The Source of the Coronavirus" by laowhy86 on YouTube. Not going to link it here but it's worth watching.


  • #5956
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    When it comes to cleaning groceries from the shop, what's best to use? We have some Dettol wipes, but have thick bleach also, could use instead. Actually, what is the difference between thick/thin bleach? :confused:
    Should we just use soapy water and a cloth?






    just leave them sitting there for a few hours, be grand


    soapy water is great


  • #5957
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Having watched the statistics that are being produced during this pandemic and all the commentary around them, I think that the figures are largely junk.
    When you look at some of the key stats that are being published for different countries, you have no idea what any of them mean, e.g.
    Number of cases:- It does not mean the number of occurrences of the disease. It might be the number of positive tests but that entirely depends on who you decide to test. Unless there is widespread community antibody testing, which there isn’t, you will have no idea how many people are/were infected.
    Number of deaths:- It depends on which deaths you include or exclude and whether you include everyone who died and were also Covid19 positive. In the UK they do not include deaths which did not occur in hospital. You also have to factor in the age cohort in which most of the deaths occur. Most deaths in normal times occur in that age cohort anyway.
    Number recovered:- This is complete fiction. If it’s not known who had it, how would it be possible to tell how many recovered?

    I think we all should take the published statistics with a large pinch of salt.


  • #5958
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    growleaves wrote: »
    Yes and statistics show that 18% of 20-40 year old's who contract the illness will record a video saying "I thought it couldn't happen to me, the media told us it doesn't affect young people, but it does.."

    No your stats are all wrong.

    It may be as high as 20% of those who get an illness, who will take an uncomfortably close up video saying above!


  • #5959
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Having watched the statistics that are being produced during this pandemic and all the commentary around them, I think that the figures are largely junk.
    When you look at some of the key stats that are being published for different countries, you have no idea what any of them mean, e.g.
    Number of cases:- It does not mean the number of occurrences of the disease. It might be the number of positive tests but that entirely depends on who you decide to test. Unless there is widespread community antibody testing, which there isn’t, you will have no idea how many people are/were infected.
    Number of deaths:- It depends on which deaths you include or exclude and whether you include everyone who died and were also Covid19 positive. In the UK they do not include deaths which did not occur in hospital. You also have to factor in the age cohort in which most of the deaths occur. Most deaths in normal times occur in that age cohort anyway.
    Number recovered:- This is complete fiction. If it’s not known who had it, how would it be possible to tell how many recovered?

    I think we all should take the published statistics with a large pinch of salt.






    thanks for sorting that out for us


  • #5960
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    When it comes to cleaning groceries from the shop, what's best to use? We have some Dettol wipes, but have thick bleach also, could use instead. Actually, what is the difference between thick/thin bleach? :confused:
    Should we just use soapy water and a cloth?

    You could leave everything bar fruit/veg and stuff that goes into fridge in the shed for 72 hours. The other stuff could be washed with very soapy water or very diluted bleach.


  • #5961
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    the.red.baron wrote: »
    just leave them sitting there for a few hours, be grand


    soapy water is great

    72 hours


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  • #5962
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Ah surely the deaths must include nursing home figures?

    Otherwise theres no reliable figures being produced and we are no better than China.

    No, in Italy nursing homes and deaths occur in people’s homes are not counted either. Only deaths in hospital


  • #5963
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Having watched the statistics that are being produced during this pandemic and all the commentary around them, I think that the figures are largely junk.
    When you look at some of the key stats that are being published for different countries, you have no idea what any of them mean, e.g.
    Number of cases:- It does not mean the number of occurrences of the disease. It might be the number of positive tests but that entirely depends on who you decide to test. Unless there is widespread community antibody testing, which there isn’t, you will have no idea how many people are/were infected.
    Number of deaths:- It depends on which deaths you include or exclude and whether you include everyone who died and were also Covid19 positive. In the UK they do not include deaths which did not occur in hospital. You also have to factor in the age cohort in which most of the deaths occur. Most deaths in normal times occur in that age cohort anyway.
    Number recovered:- This is complete fiction. If it’s not known who had it, how would it be possible to tell how many recovered?

    I think we all should take the published statistics with a large pinch of salt.

    The figures are useless when they are not complete.

    What is causing the death figures to look high is that anyone who dies but has tested positive is a covid death regardless of what the cause was.

    In the US they don’t record flu deaths in people over 18 so it’s estimated. Covid 19 is notifiable so all positive cases recorded are cause of death


  • #5964
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    You could leave everything bar fruit/veg and stuff that goes into fridge in the shed for 72 hours. The other stuff could be washed with very soapy water or very diluted bleach.

    Thanks for that. Probably will use soapy water but if we did use the bleach for cleaning, would the "thick" bleach be okay to dilute and use?


  • #5965
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    You could leave everything bar fruit/veg and stuff that goes into fridge in the shed for 72 hours. The other stuff could be washed with very soapy water or very diluted bleach.

    I would think a precautionary approach was taken getting to that figure, perfect conditions, strongest, freshest strain ,get your results and multiply by 2 to be sure


  • #5966
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    frillyleaf wrote: »
    No, in Italy nursing homes and deaths occur in people’s homes are not counted either. Only deaths in hospital

    If that is what is happening, and in Ireland too, then it is really ridiculous. Someone should find out the facts about that kind of thing.


  • #5967
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    growleaves wrote: »
    Chinese markets again selling bats -- likely source of deadly pandemic -- reporters say



    This bat soup must be really nice, people can't get enough of it.

    If that is true, and I'm not convinced it is, its time to cut China off from international trade in the long run.

    Its only a matter of time before their wet markets give us an even worse virus than coronavirus, or a more lethal strain of coronavirus.

    Its almost like they are engaging in a form of biological warfare against the rest of the world at this stage.

    Coronavirus will kill more people than terrorism by far his year. And will have killed more than all nuclear weapons used in history within a few months.


  • #5968
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Thanks for that. Probably will use soapy water but if we did use the bleach for cleaning, would the "thick" bleach be okay to dilute and use?

    Yeah. Two tablespoons in a litre of water would sanitise.


  • #5969
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    the.red.baron wrote: »
    not for tough guys

    Not for any guys, gals, boys or girls.


  • #5970
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I would think a precautionary approach was taken getting to that figure, perfect conditions, strongest, freshest strain ,get your results and multiply by 2 to be sure

    Probably. 72 hours is pretty much the accepted time. Obviously the virus is on it's last legs at that stage.


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  • #5971
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    If that is true, and I'm not convinced it is, its time to cut China off from international trade in the long run.

    Its only a matter of time before their wet markets give us an even worse virus than coronavirus, or a more lethal strain of coronavirus.

    Its almost like they are engaging in a form of biological warfare against the rest of the world at this stage.

    Coronavirus will kill more people than terrorism by far his year. And will have killed more than all nuclear weapons used in history within a few months.

    Should we stop eating chicken and pig to stop influenza spreading also?


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