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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #5852
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Ignore those figures.

    As you should ignore russias figures.... And turkey, India, Belarus....

    They are either deliberately under announcing in places such as Russia, or haven't the capacity to properly record, in places such as India.

    India is in full lockdown getting hit with sticks if their out of the house


  • #5853
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    They're ****ed, I really fear for them, especially with their shambles of a health service for the working class.

    Will be the darkest period in their modern history over the next 3 months.

    They won't handle a lockdown well for long . You even see if here (not that it's even a proper lockdown)people moaning about it after one flipping week but it will be carnage over there for the next few weeks.


  • #5854
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    The One Doctor wrote: »
    I've seen your posts before. Why do you spout such crap? If we were free to roam there'd be thousands of deaths. You cannot extrapolate from false assumption and claim yourself a soothsayer.

    Go off to America and see how long you last, c u next Tuesday.

    doctors are scarce enough without that carry on


  • #5855
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    St Patrick's Day Parade 2021

    Dedicated to health care workers who walk the parade to ovations from the public who they protected in 2020.

    Make it happen everyone


  • #5856
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,088 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    That's the way it is too in the UK, France and Spain (at least). They do not count nursing home deaths, only hospital deaths. Saw on BBC the other day France were to start adding figures for nursing home deaths.

    So not one accurate set of figures being provided. Amazing.


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  • #5857
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,047 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Jin luk wrote: »
    India is in full lockdown getting hit with sticks if their out of the house

    Full lockdown??

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-52086274

    They are literally transporting the virus from cities to rural areas


  • #5858
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The first day that the death toll got to double figures (a week ago maybe) we were told that was because of a nursing home cluster

    well no they didn't explicitly say that. they just said they were concerned with outbreaks in nursing homes. people made their own jumps to conclusions based on that.


  • #5859
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,047 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    pjohnson wrote: »
    So not one accurate set of figures being provided. Amazing.

    There has to be a base line set somewhere.

    You cannot simply record suspected cases


  • #5860
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    the.red.baron wrote: »
    WW1 invented PSTD, the original snowflakes

    War is traumatic. Having to sit at home watching Netflix is not.


  • #5861
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Well apparently 21,000 mobile phones just dissapeared over the network - but this could be all conspiracy bollix, but I still don't trust their official figures, the lockdowns worked too well over there, we see the absolute **** show and failure of it in Spain and Italy ... so you'd wonder ...

    Thoes mobile phones became deactivated the very day China interduced there Mobil phone tracking app.


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  • #5862
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    DeVore wrote: »
    There are ethical questions around that.

    You cant run country-sized non-consenting experiments on people. You'd be telling some countries to not follow the currently Best-In-Class approach for the sake of science. Can you imagine if we were told to go for Herd Immunity while the UK was told to go for cocooning? There'd be riots. :)

    Unfortunately there isn’t a Best-In-Class solution to be had. Nothing like this has had to be done before, so nobody knows what is the best approach.
    It may very well be that that once a certain stage of spread has happened, that it’s the equivalent of trying different methods of securing the stable door after the horse has bolted.


  • #5863
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    And....the supermarket staff, postal workers, gardai, bus drivers....etc., etc.!

    farmers, lorry drivers


  • #5864
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    DeVore wrote: »
    There are ethical questions around that.

    You cant run country-sized non-consenting experiments on people. You'd be telling some countries to not follow the currently Best-In-Class approach for the sake of science. Can you imagine if we were told to go for Herd Immunity while the UK was told to go for cocooning? There'd be riots. :)
    Sweden is pretty much doing this as we speak. They have the lowest level of restrictions in Europe. Universities are closed, but schools, pubs, cafes and the usual businesses are still open. Bars and cafes have to serve people outside, no gatherings of more than fifty people, hand washing and social distancing are the only real advisories.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #5865
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Bob24 wrote: »
    The US are now pretty much hijacking masks and PPE bound to other countries on Chinese roads and even on the tarmac of Chinese airports by offering double price in cash to reroute the containers.

    Confirmed by a French politician here that masks being loaded on a plane to France were snapped in that way yesterday and that it isn't the first time: https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/provence-alpes-cote-d-azur/grosse-commande-masques-aurait-du-arriver-france-elle-ira-finalement-aux-etats-unis-annonce-renaud-muselier-1810096.html

    Summary in English: https://www.rt.com/news/484723-us-france-face-masks/


    An RT report about something that supposedly happened in China?
    It doesn't get much more unreliable than that.


  • #5866
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    All I'm doing is repeating what Fergal Bower's said yesterday. Maybe once a nursing home death is verified as a result of Covid-19, it is added to the figures (in time)?

    I'm not certain. I assumed Nursing Home deaths are counted.

    I think they are not included if a person in a nursing home was waiting on a test or didn't receive the result and subsequently died.

    I could be wrong on this. Hopefully it's clarified.

    I know the stats given two days in arrears include nursing home data.


  • #5867
    crx===
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭crx===


    pjohnson wrote: »
    So not one accurate set of figures being provided. Amazing.

    From NHS U.K......

    Notes on deaths figures
    The figures on deaths relate to patients who have died in hospital and who have tested positive for COVID-19. The figures are compiled from validated data provided by NHS England and Improvement, Health Protection Scotland, Public Health Wales and the Public Health Agency (Northern Ireland).

    These figures do not include deaths outside hospital, such as those in care homes. This approach allows us to compile deaths data on a daily basis using up-to-date figures. The data includes confirmed cases reported as at 5pm the previous day. The amount of time between occurrence of death and reporting in these figures may vary slightly and in some cases could be a few days, so figures at 5pm may not include all deaths for that day.


  • #5868
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    petes wrote: »
    Any chance you can stop banging the same drum over and over, tiresome at this stage.

    No, I won't be content until this ridiculous panic party is broken up.

    We can't even estimate properly how many people are dying from this - we can't agree on the 'dying with' vs. 'dying of' measurement issue:
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think

    Italy is drastically over-estimating the amount of additional deaths resulting from the virus:
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763667?


  • #5869
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    And....the supermarket staff, postal workers, gardai, bus drivers....etc., etc.!

    I know I'm going to sound like a dick here but medical staff need to be set apart from supermarket staff, postal workers etc., They are the ones exposing themselves to the disease, working long hours and a lot of them will suffer from PTSD after this. I don't think the two type of occupations should be equated.


  • #5870
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    farmers, lorry drivers


    Boards Mods


  • #5871
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    c montgomery wrote: »
    St Patrick's Day Parade 2021

    Dedicated to health care workers who walk the parade to ovations from the public who they protected in 2020.

    Make it happen everyone

    2022 - No vaccine by March 2021.


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  • #5872
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    I know I'm going to sound like a dick here but medical staff need to be set apart from supermarket staff, postal workers etc., They are the ones exposing themselves to the disease, working long hours and a lot of them will suffer from PTSD after this. I don't think the two type of occupations should be equated.

    They have a much greater risk but the risk to the others is significant given it is in the community


  • #5873
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,669 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    What's this new initiative that's been announced? Missed the beginning of the conference.


  • #5874
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    I watched a woman I follow on Instagram wash all her delivered groceries with water and bleach.

    Is that not ever so slightly OTT or should we now be doing this also?


  • #5875
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Nermal wrote: »
    No, I won't be content until this ridiculous panic party is broken up.

    We can't even estimate properly how many people are dying from this - we can't agree on the 'dying with' vs. 'dying of' measurement issue:
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think

    Italy is drastically over-estimating the amount of additional deaths resulting from the virus:
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763667?

    But the fact is people are dying! Would be a hell of a lot more without measures in place.

    You may not have a heart and just simply don't care but I do and most people do.

    Your incessant bull**** is tiresome.


  • #5876
    kingshankly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    I know I'm going to sound like a dick here but medical staff need to be set apart from supermarket staff, postal workers etc., They are the ones exposing themselves to the disease, working long hours and a lot of them will suffer from PTSD after this. I don't think the two type of occupations should be equated.

    Yes totally Agree I’m a train driver and I would be embarrassed walking beside them what they do is incredible and they deserve all the adulation they receive


  • #5877
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Sweden is pretty much doing this as we speak. They have the lowest level of restrictions in Europe. Universities are closed, but schools, pubs, cafes and the usual businesses are still open. Bars and cafes have to serve people outside, no gatherings of more than fifty people, hand washing and social distancing are the only real advisories.

    Last night Newsnight covered this. 700 doctors have written to their Gov asking for policy to change. They interviewed the former prime minister of Denmark also and they have taken a similar course to ours. You might get it on BBC player.


  • #5878
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Tony H is back at work

    https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1245640109711486977

    Fantastic news. Great to see him recovered


  • #5879
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    DeVore wrote: »
    There are ethical questions around that.

    You cant run country-sized non-consenting experiments on people. You'd be telling some countries to not follow the currently Best-In-Class approach for the sake of science. Can you imagine if we were told to go for Herd Immunity while the UK was told to go for cocooning? There'd be riots. :)

    We are all in the Petri dish... but some of us are looking at the sars


  • #5880
    Covid19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Covid19


    Akrasia wrote: »
    ‘The common cold’ is just a label for a whole load of mild respiratory illnesses

    It will never have a vaccine

    Hi. Actually, that is not entirely correct. The key here? Plants.
    Viruses effect both plants and animals. When a plant is invaded by a virus, a certain protein within the cell of the plant is activated and begins to suppress the plants immune system, allowing the virus to take hold.

    Some plants in the same tropical ecosystem as virus-carrying animals, have shown an immunity to any virus which "jumped over" from animal to plant.

    At Trinity, in 2017 the great John O'Leary and his team published a report identifying this protein and are using this research to tackle certain viruses within the Coronavirus family, one being the Common Cold. Don't be surprised if plant pathology plays an important part in the development of the vaccine for Covid.


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  • #5881
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    froog wrote: »
    USA is getting scary. broke 1000 daily deaths yesterday and it's very early stages in most states.

    They are ramping up mendacious stupidity as we speak

    https://twitter.com/KDKA/status/1245353362515787778


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