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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #5372
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    So even with medical advances, it's a new virus that nobody knows much about yet.

    Yes but those medical and technical advances make testing, recovery and potential treatments much faster to be discovered and produced.


  • #5373
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Strumms wrote: »
    You need to prioritize the efforts and effects...

    Health

    Economy

    Social

    In this order... forget about watching the news and identifying what governments are doing well or not doing... look at yourself, your family, your and their behaviors.

    You have zero influence as to what is going on in government buildings so don’t worry about it.

    On the other hand... examples of what you can influence...

    Your other half wanting to meet girlfriends for a 30 min catch up over a socially distant coffee.. NO CHANCE...for a release and pS4 and beer with the guys for an hour respecting again distance ? ZERO CHANCE... Just to call around to xx person to have a ‘quick chat’ who might be feeling lonely? NO, ring them instead.

    The people you mentioned about meeting for a 30 mins catch up over a Coffee etc really need to educate themselves on the art of video calling.
    It's been around for years now and isn't rocket science...a child can do it.No excuse in this day and age.Just about everyone has a smartphone or tablet.Better still Laptop,they all have built in Cameras,use them


  • #5374
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We're not getting out of this anytime soon, are we?

    Looking back at other pandemics and it's at least a year. Spanish flu was almost 3 years long.[/QUOTE]

    It was actually about 3 years long in separate waves. Infected about 500 million people which was roughly a quarter of the global population at the time. It is believed that in excess of 50 million died from it.


  • #5375
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Strumms wrote: »
    You need to prioritize the efforts and effects...

    Health

    Economy

    Social

    In this order... forget about watching the news and identifying what governments are doing well or not doing... look at yourself, your family, your and their behaviors.

    You have zero influence as to what is going on in government buildings so don’t worry about it.

    On the other hand... examples of what you can influence...

    Your other half wanting to meet girlfriends for a 30 min catch up over a socially distant coffee.. NO CHANCE...for a release and pS4 and beer with the guys for an hour respecting again distance ? ZERO CHANCE... Just to call around to xx person to have a ‘quick chat’ who might be feeling lonely? NO, ring them instead.

    I and my other half have not meet friends or made unnecessary journeys for over a month.
    Partly due to the virus and partly due to a lack of friends!!!

    No one suggesting the economy need’s consideration is suggesting that we break the current restrictions.

    That’s a common theme here, if one suggests that the economic catastrophe looming needs attention before further restrictions, poster claim that you don’t understand the virus/have no respect for elderly/lack empathy/selfish etc.

    People don’t realise we are flattening a curve, NOT curing or killing the virus.

    We flatten the curve to prevent an overwhelm of the health service, then resume business as normal as fast as possible.
    This is not some fantasy where we close business until next July or August and then it’s business as normal.
    These restrictions are short term, to prevent an overwhelm, not to prevent deaths that are inevitable


  • #5376
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Yes but those medical and technical advances make testing, recovery and potential treatments much faster to be discovered and produced.

    I hope they find something soon


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  • #5377
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Covid19 wrote: »
    How does Sweden's Health system stack up against the rest of Europe?

    I'd imagine it's regarded as one of the better ones, along with their Scandinavian neighbours.


  • #5378
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So who, right now, are the people catching it, in this world of social distancing when everyone knows the ground rules?

    A lot of healthcare workers. Elderly in nursing homes that have been hit by the virus. Then community spreading is likely people out in shops or people who are working still.


  • #5379
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Yes, that makes a lot of sense actually. But I still don't get how there is still a big surge on the way when everyone knows the rules.

    Well the incubation period is 2-14 days. So families with asymptomatic/mild infections would be happily living together and spreading it around - especially since the lock down. The people they infect would be starting to get symptoms now or soon. It lasts for two weeks if it's mild and up to six if it's serious.


  • #5380
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Once a world war doesn't break out we should be able to deal with this better than the Spanish flu.
    They also had no antibiotics for secondary infection back then.


  • #5381
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Covid19 wrote: »
    Sadly, no. I was around in 1918 though, but under a different name.

    Your username is in very poor taste considering what’s going on.


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  • #5382
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    A lot of healthcare workers. Elderly in nursing homes that have been hit by the virus. Then community spreading is likely people out in shops or people who are working still.

    I'm hoping the people just doing a bit of necessary shopping in the supermarkets are not particularly at risk (insofar as nothing is risk free)


  • #5383
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    20silkcut wrote: »
    The WHO have been fighting epidemics for years they know what they are at. And this epidemic is far from their nightmare scenario.
    Google WHO disease X if you have the time.

    Meh. They opposed travel bans to and from hotspot areas which was perhaps the main reason covid 19 spread so far and rapidly around the world.

    https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak


  • #5384
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Your username is in very poor taste considering what’s going on.

    Our sense of humour has departed us with the restrictions


  • #5385
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,827 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Steve F wrote: »
    The people you mentioned about meeting for a 30 mins catch up over a Coffee etc really need to educate themselves on the art of video calling.
    It's been around for years now and isn't rocket science...a child can do it.No excuse in this day and age.Just about everyone has a smartphone or tablet.Better still Laptop,they all have built in Cameras,use them

    If you are in your 70’s or 80’s it’s time to educate and BE educated, help from loved ones etc with this stuff. Gonna need it.


  • #5386
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I'm hoping the people just doing a bit of necessary shopping in the supermarkets are not particularly at risk (insofar as nothing is risk free)

    Yes which would explain why our numbers are so low. But people would rather believe they aren't.


  • #5387
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Strumms wrote: »
    If you are in your 70’s or 80’s it’s time to educate and BE educated, help from loved ones etc with this stuff. Gonna need it.

    Well said


  • #5388
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


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  • #5389
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,089 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Your username is in very poor taste considering what’s going on.

    Some will love it.

    Right on que :pac:
    ITman88 wrote: »
    Our sense of humour has departed us with the restrictions


  • #5390
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,827 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    They also decided to let the virus rip and wait for 'herd immunity'. Of course that did not last long when the entomology experts got the memo. Then they decided to only test those presenting to hospital - at a rate of less than half ours. The allowed Cheltenham to go, and refused to close schools. Now they have over 500 deaths a day.

    I think their (the UK) predictions should be ignored.

    The UK made a right bôllocks of this. An absolute clown of a Prime Minister, right wing party with keys in hand. No surprise really.


  • #5391
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    rossie1977 wrote:
    Only the harsher restrictions or 25 times the daily testing can slow this thing down.
    Testing doesn't slow the spread of the virus.

    The people slow the spread of the virus.

    Testing determines how effective the people are slowing the spread.

    So we must continue the social distancing and handwashing regardless of numbers.

    Flattening the curve and preventing deaths is on us, all of us .


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  • #5392
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Achasanai wrote: »
    The figures quoted a couple of weeks ago would have had us on an exponential growth, one that no country has (yet) seen. I get why it was announced (scare us into taking this seriously) but the more you look at graphs (particularly ones that break it down per head of population) we don't do particularly well all in all: http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/



    Bar the countries that are really struggling (Italy, Spain) and a load of micro-states, we seem to be right up there.

    Using the crude measure of deaths per million, we are currently 12th when micro-states are excluded - mind you, the countries ahead of us have astronomical rates - Belgium on 71 DPM, Holland on 68, and Switzerland on 56, so while our 17 is unwelcome, it's far from exceptional in Europe.


  • #5393
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    Hopefully the Spanish flu time line isn’t a template for this. We have a much better set of technologies at our disposal, including an understanding of viruses, biology and biotechnology that is just incomparable to what was around in 1918 or even 1988.

    I would be careful about making assumptions that by taking minimal measures, a socially distanced coffee is fine. We don’t really know a lot about this virus yet. It’s not the flu and it’s not a cold. So the transmission capabilities are quite different. I think that’s where most countries made initial mistakes. The simple measures that one might take to prevent flu spread aren’t enough for this.

    So do stick to video conferencing. There are some essential industries and jobs that will have to make do with steps to minimise exposure, social distancing and PPE. If you’re not in one of those, just don’t put yourself and others at unnecessary risk. Is a coffee with a colleague worth risking someone’s health and potentially life over?

    The unknowns are being cleared up as the days and weeks go on but for now, I would take the most cautious approaches possible.


  • #5394
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Has anyone else heard about the tons of food being dumped that people Panic bought and stockpiled or did I dream it?
    So much happening I'm not sure what's real and what's imagined


  • #5395
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Your username is in very poor taste considering what’s going on.
    Poster named after a comedian lacks a sense of humour...


  • #5396
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Per capita, at 8 days after their first death (where Ireland is now), Spain, Belgium, San Marino and Andorra were doing worse than we are. Every other country was doing better.


    For total deaths, at 5 days after the 10th death (where Ireland is now), China, Turkey and the UK were doing worse than we are. Every other country was doing better.

    There are far too many variables in this to read anything from it while the numbers are still relatively low.


  • #5397
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Some will love it.

    Right on que :pac:

    Exactly! Wouldn’t let you down!!
    I kept mine, you don’t seem like the kinda guy to appreciate a joke!!


  • #5398
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,089 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    Poster named after a comedian lacks a sense of humour...

    Hes named after a character.....Ardal O'Hanlon was the comedian.


  • #5399
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Steve F wrote: »
    Has anyone else heard about the tons of food being dumped that people Panic bought and stockpiled or did I dream it?
    So much happening I'm not sure what's real and what's imagined

    those pictures are more likely restaurants and hotels dumping freezer contents they're unable to sell rather than hoarders.


  • #5400
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    Poster named after a comedian lacks a sense of humour...

    I wouldn't call registering or rereging as 'Covid 19' humour.

    It's childish.


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  • #5401
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,042 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Strumms wrote: »
    If you are in your 70’s or 80’s it’s time to educate and BE educated, help from loved ones etc with this stuff. Gonna need it.

    Good idea but unfortunately it will be difficult to instruct many older citizens without breaching social distancing guidelines.


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