CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

spookwoman · 01-04-2020 04:04PM

lastusername wrote: »

Do you think they do anything? I've heard they are easy to get on Amazon and eBay now.

Using ffp3 masks used by sprayers etc. They create a seal on the face so yes I would say they do something.

bekker · 01-04-2020 04:08PM

ITman88 wrote: »

We are not discussing shut downs, we are discussing inaccurate death rates.

Death rates which are complete speculation.

I’ve posted the link below to the recent flu pandemics in Italy.

They have had stark warning for years now, and had time to prepare the health service in the way both Singapore and Toronto did.
This shouldn’t of been a shock to anyone

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

Two potential flaws in that argument.

Unproven asymptomatic transmission for influenza, proven or generally acknowledged widespread asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19.

'Flu normally only infectious for a day or so before symptoms appear, COVID-19 upto 5-10 days and some outliers longer.

Think future studies will probably ascribe asymptomatic transmission and cultural norms as a main driver of infection, and possible higher cohort of vulnerable after 2020 season.

Bad effective in-hospital segregation, and low PPEd medical staff, due to very late recognition that it was not behaving like a 'flu which was probably what they were preconditioned to in view of the previous 'flu epidemics.

Saw very telling report on Sky News yesterday of an Italian hospital with very low or zero transmission to staff, they had rigorous protocols in place and comprehensive PPE.

Doctors room ghost · 01-04-2020 04:08PM

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

here me out here.... since your into throwing out the mango sachet anyway, have you ever tried the curry pot noddle with grated cheese and mayo? (without the mango sachet obvs)

No but I’ll give it a try when I get some in the next online shop.sounds good cheers for the suggestion

1800_Ladladlad · 01-04-2020 04:08PM

Link

Cork Boy 53 · 01-04-2020 04:10PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Don't suppose all the Senators and backbench TDs will take significant any pay cuts seeing as they are doing F A right now.

FYP.

Beasty · 01-04-2020 04:12PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

noun
noun: chart; plural noun: charts

a sheet of information in the form of a table, graph, or diagram.

Ya big dummy

Give it a rest - there are numerous warnings about remaining civil to each other

lastusername · 01-04-2020 04:13PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Using ffp3 masks used by sprayers etc. They create a seal on the face so yes I would say they do something.

Those are the ones I had in mind alright, vs. the surgical ones which are the masks for droplets only.

RobertKK · 01-04-2020 04:14PM

Now with Wimbledon gone, not surprisingly, the lack of sport in general will contribute to mental health problems.

all about the mane · 01-04-2020 04:16PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

I wear a mask.

Wearing a mask is about protecting the people around you. It's about not coughing your droplets into the air.

How many people out there have the Virus and either don’t know, aren’t sure or will never be tested because they don’t meet the criteria.

How many people are either asymptomatic or have symptoms so mild, they pass it on without even knowing. There is a complacency, or at least a false sense of security.

We should all be wearing masks and keeping the virus to ourselves. Wearing a mask could save a life. If you have the virus – and you may not know you have it – wearing a mask means you keep it to yourself.

I’m stunned that not a single public figure has worn a mask yet.

Not a single reporter, politician or HSE representative. Not the Chief Medical Officer, the Minister for Health or the Taoiseach. Not Claire Byrne or Ryan Tubridy or any other TV Prenter/reporter. Not a single Irish celebrity or public figure has worn a mask on TV.

PLEASE can just one single public figure wear a mask and lead by example.

They have not worn one because their effect is negligible in the capacity that you are describing. And they are needed by front line workers where they can really make a difference. As there is a shortage I would prefer them to have them.

Rob A. Bank · 01-04-2020 04:16PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Strip these deaths out of the figures and suddenly this 'global-killer' begins to look a lot less worthy of the current hysteria being generated.

In future years, people may look back and question why the economy was flushed down the toilet over a virus that kills a small percentage of the very old, the very sick and the very fat.

The economic effects will probably kill way more people indirectly over the coming years.

That comedian was correct... Market worship has become a death cult.

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 04:16PM

BrianD3 wrote: »

54000 would be the excess mortality due to flu over a study period of a number of Italian flu seasons some of which are much worse than others. 25,000 excess deaths due to flu in 2016/2017 flu season, there is a link to the source for this figure in one of my previous posts.

Even in a good flu season, there are several thousand flu deaths in Italy.

An Italian professor was on sky news this morning talking about the flu season and how it has overlapped with Covid-19 "season", how symptoms can be similar and how Covid-19 may be being diagnosed based on symptoms rather than based on virus testing.

If, at the end of the year or whenever final mortality statistics are available, it turns out to have been a "very good" flu season in Italy, questions will have to be asked about whether flu deaths have been attributed to Covid-19 and if panic in the healthcare system over Covid-19 made matters worse.

54000 more deaths were attributed comparing 2015 and 2014.

Interestingly some professor (I’ll find source) was discussing the notifiable disease list, and was alluding to the fact that cause of death certs say covid 19 as opposed to respiratory failure.
Essentially he also suggests no increase in death rate for this month/year.

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 04:18PM

We all now know about models and worst case scenarios so a large sack of salt with this possible €30bn cost to the economy. That's another Anglo sized bill!

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0401/1127866-governments-covid-19-costs-could-hit-30-billion-kbc/

Tacitus Kilgore · 01-04-2020 04:19PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Now with Wimbledon gone, not surprisingly, the lack of sport in general will contribute to mental health problems.

I'd say the lack of anything bar anxiety is taking it's toll anyway.

I, for one, am going mad.

domrush · 01-04-2020 04:19PM

Median length of stay in the ICU is 7 days as per HIQA

wakka12 · 01-04-2020 04:19PM

1,100 police officers in NYC have tested positive
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/more-than-1000-new-york-city-police-officers-are-infected-with-coronavirus.html

Meanwhile 911 calls in the city are at the highest level ever recorded

I think it is scary what has happened to some of the most efficient and economically and socially developed socieites in the world in just a few weeks, how does the developing world stand any chance

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 04:21PM

domrush wrote: »

Median length of stay in the ICU is 7 days as per HIQA

Be careful with that word or you'll set some people off again!

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 04:21PM

bekker wrote: »

So, leaving more in the cohort of v.vulnerable this year to be taken out by COVID-19, conversely would it be that the 2020 potential cohort was much reduced by the 'flu deaths in previous years. It'll probably provide the basis for many a thesis in years to come.

'Similar in Italy, an incredibly low number of deaths this flu season is being credited with the high number of covid deaths.'

Is that coming from Italian sources in the Lombardy region, or from external observers commentary?

ITman88 please ignore, just read your subsequent post.

The current deaths from Italy sound insane, but it’s nothing unusual for March in Italy.
62000 deaths in March a number of years ago, when we see the number of deaths from this March we can than accurately see the rise in deaths.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-31/italy-s-mild-flu-season-may-solve-mystery-of-coronavirus-deaths

bekker · 01-04-2020 04:22PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Link

Cartoon image of doll trolled Chinese death toll. (not linked to for obvious reasons)

Based on a Newsweek article full of speculation, which was self-confessed in the article.

Nice house of cards which collapses when one realises that there was no outflux of the Spring Festival influx because of the quarantine this year.

****E ! forgot to remove link

01-04-2020 04:22PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I think the poster is asking if they can still transmit the virus from internally, if they have already recovered (and the answer is no, as the virus is no longer in their system).

I was mainly asking if you can pick it up and transmit it physically even if you already had it and the virus is no longer in your system, but it has raised that question as well

A concern might be if people have recovered they may not think they are still potential virus-spreaders by physical contact and may slack off on hygiene, social distancing etc.

Allinall · 01-04-2020 04:22PM

wakka12 wrote: »

1,100 police officers in NYC have tested positive
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/more-than-1000-new-york-city-police-officers-are-infected-with-coronavirus.html

Meanwhile 911 calls in the city are at the highest level ever recorded

I think it is scary what has happened to some of the most efficient and economically and socially developed socieites in the world in just a few weeks, how does the developing world stand any chance

Holy sh1t.

It can be contracted by phone now!

We're all doomed.

voluntary · 01-04-2020 04:23PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Using ffp3 masks used by sprayers etc. They create a seal on the face so yes I would say they do something.

Where did you get one?

holyhead · 01-04-2020 04:23PM

Hope Dr Holohan makes a full recovery. He has been excellent.

lastusername · 01-04-2020 04:25PM

voluntary wrote: »

Where did you get one?

Those are the highest-grade ones that prevent even tiny particles like asbestos from getting through apparently.

josip · 01-04-2020 04:26PM

jams100 wrote: »

What idiots are using gloves for the likes of driving their car? Then deciding to just throw them on the ground.
Just went for a walk and in a 1km stretch there were 8 pairs. There really needs to be a cull on the amount of stupid gombeans in Ireland. The virus is no need to act like a s**mbag!

Plenty of gloves and wipes left in Tesco shopping trolleys.
A lot of people are only taking precautions out of selfishness, not for any consideration of others.

voluntary · 01-04-2020 04:27PM

Any good place online to order good value face masks?

spookwoman · 01-04-2020 04:27PM

[/I]

voluntary wrote: »

Where did you get one?

Hardware store before the fun started

hoody · 01-04-2020 04:27PM

Amirani wrote: »

Not sure what Ronan McGreevy is playing at in the Irish Times blog: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-state-seeks-to-contain-spread-in-nursing-homes-and-hospitals-1.4217635

Posts an update about 3000 people possibly dying of Covid in Northern Ireland over the next 20 weeks, then proceeds to post an April Fools joke about primary schools just after. Really?

I was fully taken in by that circular; genuinely have been worried sick since seeing it. Thank you for putting me right - they need to take that down immediately. The April's Fool jokes can wait a year.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 04:28PM

Danger for the UK now is they are at risk of becoming Europes new epicenter and all the pain that goes with that, not just tragedies but optics and reputation too.

They were very slow to act.

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 04:29PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Strip these deaths out of the figures and suddenly this 'global-killer' begins to look a lot less worthy of the current hysteria being generated.

In future years, people may look back and question why the economy was flushed down the toilet over a virus that kills a small percentage of the very old, the very sick and the very fat.

The economic effects will probably kill way more people indirectly over the coming years.

Small percentage of the very old, the very sick and the very fat?

A 13 year old boy died in the UK. Do you even care?

Doctors room ghost · 01-04-2020 04:30PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Danger for the UK now is they are at risk of becoming Europes new epicenter and all the pain that goes with that, not just tragedies but optics and reputation too.

They were very slow to act.

Sure they had to get cheltenham over with first the fcukin clowns

CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Comments

CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP