CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

Ger Roe · 31-03-2020 02:53PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Probably not, but if you had some shopping bags on the passenger seat...

Why are you suggesting that people can cover up the fact that they are making unnecessary journeys while breaking a restriction that the vast majority are doing their best to observe, in very difficult circumstances?

Stheno · 31-03-2020 02:53PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Taking off in UK sadly. Indicates a major problem and spread over there. We need to do all we can to isolate ourselves from that or we will be as bad as them a few weeks from now.

Their herd immunity idea was very badly thought out and the changes they made came very late.

I think they broadened the criteria that they use to report deaths today, e.g. including non hospital deaths such as nursing home deaths

otnomart · 31-03-2020 02:54PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Belgium has +192 deaths today

Belgium is six times smaller than Italy. It only has a population of 11 million.

So for perspective, if it was the same size as Italy, 192 x 6 = 1,152 deaths.

Belgium is now publishing data on covid-19 cases, hospitalisations & deaths broken down by sex & age groups, at province level.
https://epistat.wiv-isp.be/covid/

paleoperson · 31-03-2020 02:54PM

Anyone else get triggered when they give statistics about how it's mostly people with "underlying conditions"? It just seems like they're saying "oh it won't affect me, sod those people". There's something a bit nasty about the way they do it. As if "it's ok guys, they had underlying conditions".

These people they're talking about are perfectly healthy with decades of high quality life expectancy left who have "underlying conditions". Dismissing it as "underlying conditions" because you happen to have asthma, heart disease, diabetes is so crass. Who doesn't have "underlying conditions".

I hope people without underlying conditions get it just as much. It's good news for people without other conditions, bad news for those with them.

Lwaker. · 31-03-2020 02:54PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

367 added to England tally - 19 to 98 years, 28 of them had NO underlying conditions

393 UK tally total for today.

Annoying thing is Boris Johnson will be all over it now playing the patriotism card and covering for his ****up

Strazdas · 31-03-2020 02:56PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

367 added to England tally - 19 to 98 years, 28 of them had NO underlying conditions

393 UK tally total for today.

I read somewhere they were going to add nursing home deaths, so this could be a factor.

RobertKK · 31-03-2020 02:56PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I love that you felt the need to share that with us

It is a relief i don't live in Hungary right now so I can say this.

devnull · 31-03-2020 02:57PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

367 added to England tally - 19 to 98 years, 28 of them had NO underlying conditions

393 UK tally total for today.

So probably a fair bit over 400 then I would say, after this mornings revelation that the UK Government are deliberately leaving out of the death toll those who die outside hospital rather than inside.

tobefrank321 · 31-03-2020 02:57PM

Stheno wrote: »

I think they broadened the criteria that they use to report deaths today, e.g. including non hospital deaths such as nursing home deaths

Fair point. I don't think Italy include any deaths outside of hospitals, which means the Italian deaths are probably off the scale.

But 400 deaths a day indicates the scale of the problem.

There is no way the UK can keep this under 20,000 dead. Nursing homes alone will be in big trouble.

devnull · 31-03-2020 02:58PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Nursing homes alone will be in big trouble.

Those who die in nursing homes are not counted in the death stats.

RobertKK · 31-03-2020 02:58PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Not surprised in the slightest that we are in a crisis and that SF are using bots to attack Simon Harris and everyone else in FG.

Like this person?

https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/1244897603822800901?s=20

Humberto Salazar · 31-03-2020 02:58PM

Lwaker. wrote: »

Annoying thing is Boris Johnson will be all over it now playing the patriotism card and covering for his ****up

And Leo doesn't play the patriotism card either? Another anti Brit rant.

An Ciarraioch · 31-03-2020 02:59PM

devnull wrote: »

Those who die in nursing homes are not counted in the death stats.

In the UK, or here?

31-03-2020 03:00PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

You have been told otherwise - no unnecessary travel and no work for other than designated essential services. Why wait until you are stopped when you alredy know you should not be out?

The more people that chance their arm and are seen about the place, the less effective the restrictions will be. Everyone could have a valid reason to be out, if it was left up to us. What if you had an accident on the way - eg truck hit Luas yesterday... one more person in a hospital at a time when we are trying to keep a focus on keeping people alive.

This "don't go out because what if you have an accident' line is small minded nonsense. I trust you are clinging tight to your bed for fear you might fall out??

devnull · 31-03-2020 03:00PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

In the UK, or here?

In the UK.

It's been exposed that the death rate is being under-reported by as much as 24% because they're only including people who died in hospitals and not those in other locations.

The Office of National Statistics called the government out for it because the number of death certificates for coronavirus for a week period was far higher than the number of reported deaths in the statistics published by the government.

maestroamado · 31-03-2020 03:00PM

This is it wrote: »

Probably better to link it than pass it off as your own theory then.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/coronavirus-easyjet-flight-news-fleet-grounded-travel-restrictions-latest-a9433041.html

Thanks,

The article about Airline (EasyJet) but i found the World map down the page interesting...

Lwaker. · 31-03-2020 03:01PM

Steve F wrote: »

Not trying to be a downer(people will say I am) but once the figures go down and we gradually start going about our business again,the threat will increase again unless the virus completely disappears from the face of the earth(highly unlikely)

We will still have to maintain frequent hand washing,cough etiquette,social distancing etc

Also,I am a firm believer that there will be a "second wave" to this Pandemic.

Our lives won't go back to what we knew as normal before this outbreak for a long time

Our greatest hurdle after the initial outbreak will be complacency

You're forgetting the antibody test

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 31-03-2020 03:01PM

billybonkers wrote: »

HSE saying no nurses have died from Covid19

https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841

Good to hear. Look at this for nitpicking:

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244962521678860288?s=21

Gynoid · 31-03-2020 03:01PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

367 added to England tally - 19 to 98 years, 28 of them had NO underlying conditions

393 UK tally total for today.

That is terrible.

31-03-2020 03:01PM

Stheno wrote: »

I think they broadened the criteria that they use to report deaths today, e.g. including non hospital deaths such as nursing home deaths

Yeah - Sean Whelan (RTE) predicted yesterday that the number of deaths announced today would rise because of a change in counting system. I understood from his report that it the number of deaths yesterday was artificialy low, but that the numbers not included yesterday would add to today's total.

Steve F · 31-03-2020 03:02PM

Lwaker. wrote: »

You're forgetting the antibody test

I did and its a very good point,,thanks
Steve

wakka12 · 31-03-2020 03:03PM

A 19 year old with no known health conditions has died in England
https://news.sky.com/

wakka12 · 31-03-2020 03:03PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Fair point. I don't think Italy include any deaths outside of hospitals, which means the Italian deaths are probably off the scale.

But 400 deaths a day indicates the scale of the problem.

There is no way the UK can keep this under 20,000 dead. Nursing homes alone will be in big trouble.

Mayor of Bergamo said deaths in the lombardy region are underestimates by a factor of 4x

sheepsh4gger · 31-03-2020 03:04PM

Gynoid wrote: »

That is terrible.

NHS is not great.

bekker · 31-03-2020 03:04PM

Based on Fergus Bowers images and HSE's CIDR pages themselves, there is either, a paucity of data available to HSE because they are gathering data on an LCD basis with totally unfit-for-purpose information systems, or they are obfuscating, or a combination of both. Personally believe it's the latter.

To calculate load on the system the minimum they'd need would be numbers of admissions, intensive care, ICU, on ventilators, discharged to pre-release ward symptoms resolved, discharged from hospital symptoms resolved, discharged dead. Even that would only be a small step-up from guesstimates, much greater granularity would be required to attempt to balance resource usage effectively.

Put COVID-19 on top of that and I suspect there is a large amount of ad hocery going on in the collection of data to get round the inflexibility of the current information systems.

Based on previous in-patient experience, data is inconsistently gathered, summation is delayed, and the information systems are unfit for purpose. Added to which there is considerable variation in ward management effectiveness across shifts and wards.

Please omit the moral, indignation on behalf of nurses, doctors, technical support staff etc. More than most, I am fully aware of the general level of effort across the front-line to deliver generally excellent care in the face of inadequate resources, faulty SOPs, bad internal co-ordination, and inadequate information systems.

tobefrank321 · 31-03-2020 03:05PM

devnull wrote: »

Those who die in nursing homes are not counted in the death stats.

I think they will be from now on.

31-03-2020 03:08PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Anyone else get triggered when they give statistics about how it's mostly people with "underlying conditions"? It just seems like they're saying "oh it won't affect me, sod those people". There's something a bit nasty about the way they do it. As if "it's ok guys, they had underlying conditions".

These people they're talking about are perfectly healthy with decades of high quality life expectancy left who have "underlying conditions". Dismissing it as "underlying conditions" because you happen to have asthma, heart disease, diabetes is so crass. Who doesn't have "underlying conditions".

I hope people without underlying conditions get it just as much. It's good news for people without other conditions, bad news for those with them.

Good point. Also Ireland has one of the highest rates of hypertension (high blood pressure) in the western world. 1 in 4 may have it either known or unknown. Its a risk factor for getting a more severe dose of CV than normal. A lot of people unfortunately can't assume that "I'll be grand, it won't affect me much".

Cork Boy 53 · 31-03-2020 03:08PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Fair point. I don't think Italy include any deaths outside of hospitals, which means the Italian deaths are probably off the scale.

But 400 deaths a day indicates the scale of the problem.

There is no way the UK can keep this under 20,000 dead. Nursing homes alone will be in big trouble.

The death toll in the UK will most likely be in 6 figures and the USA possibly in 7.

Ger Roe · 31-03-2020 03:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This "don't go out because what if you have an accident' line is small minded nonsense. I trust you are clinging tight to your bed for fear you might fall out??

It was a fact yesterday.... did you not see? A truck really did hit a Luas :cool: anyway, my main point is what you have chosen to ignore - no unnecessary journeys or work unless for essential services.

Sure, anyone can find a way around it, nothing clever about that, but in a caring society most reasonable people are willing to make a considerable effort for the common good.

Some others ..... aren't.

31-03-2020 03:11PM

devnull wrote: »

Those who die in nursing homes are not counted in the death stats.

Have you a link for that?

I understood from yesterday's RTE report that deaths in nursing homes over the weekend were not included in yesterday's figures, as they were waiting for them to be lab confirmed coronavirus, but that those positive would be added to today's figures. Thus yesterday's figures were artificially low and today's much higher as a consequence.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP