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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #2522
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    NDWC wrote: »
    On Paddy Cosgrave, surely people shouldn't be surprised that someone who started something as pretentious as the web summit is an absolute gob****e


    Not only that, didn't he want the government to effectively close down Dublin for everything else but his web summit when it was on - threatening to move to Lisbon!


  • #2523
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    billybonkers wrote: »
    HSE saying no nurses have died from Covid19

    https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841

    Good. Go fcuk yourself Paddy.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #2524
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,641 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Total cases worldwide over 800,000 now, according to worldometers.info


  • #2525
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Every so often you have to do a PIN transaction, it’s to stop fraud on your card and someone else using it.

    Re: AIB card

    I have the same problem. Thought it was due to the card chip not working.


  • #2526
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Lots of vulnerable elderly live with children & grandchildren. How in practice could they be 'quarantined' in a watertight way while the rest of the household was going about their business and likely picking up the virus?

    Separate them. Ask them to follow the self-isolation guidelines for shared houses, ask people to move in with relatives, use empty hotels as quarantine facilities.

    Of course it won't be 'watertight'. So what?

    We should do what's reasonable, not lock everyone up because we can't isolate the vulnerable perfectly.


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  • #2527
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Italy has recorded the most deaths in the country in one single month since WW2
    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-mourns-11591-who-died-at-end-of-fateful-month

    Misleading headline.

    An average month in Italy sees 45000 die.

    It’s the most deaths attributed to a single factor, 11000 to the virus.


  • #2528
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Looking at how other countries with smaller populations in Europe have handled this , emphasis the fact that we have done a terrible job at this. Death and ICU numbers are way higher than countries of our size and some with over 10m population. They all closed flights much sooner than we did.


  • #2529
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The ICU figure is a mess. It alternates between being "current" and "cumulative" no one seems 100% sure as various sources claim either one interchangeably.

    Surely "current" is what is important?


  • #2530
    Gods Gift
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    AIB

    Always In Bother.


  • #2531
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The ICU figure is a mess. It alternates between being "current" and "cumulative" no one seems 100% sure as various sources claim either one interchangeably.

    Is this being done deliberately?
    I mean is there politics at play here? Why can't it being plainly stated how many of the ICU beds are currently being used by patient with the virus. Are they afraid the public will start to panic if the 133 figure is the actual current total?


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  • #2532
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Really so sad about a girl as young as 12 dying. But its important not to sensationalise it until at least her health status is known, its not known whether she had underlying condition. Somebody with for example serious immunocompromisation will be as vulnerable to covid whether they are aged 12 or 65


  • #2533
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Lockdowns in Italy and Spain are starting to get to people - that 4 week limit, which has been mentioned in our own briefings.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/tempers-fray-as-coronavirus-lockdown-fatigue-hits-italy-and-spain-1.4216812


  • #2534
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The ICU figure is a mess. It alternates between being "current" and "cumulative" no one seems 100% sure as various sources claim either one interchangeably.

    I don't think the official channels have used the word cumulative. That only exists on boards.


  • #2535
    IspeakcozIcan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭IspeakcozIcan


    billybonkers wrote: »
    HSE saying no nurses have died from Covid19

    https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841

    But this article says a healthcare worker died and refers to them as a nurse in the East of the country.... was that report incorrect?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-healthcare-worker-in-republic-dies-after-contracting-virus-1.4213892?mode=amp


  • #2536
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    IspeakcozIcan wrote: »
    Put this article says a healthcare worker died and refers to them as a nurse in the East of the country.... was that report incorrect?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-healthcare-worker-in-republic-dies-after-contracting-virus-1.4213892?mode=amp
    Irish Times has learned from sources, clearly not the HSE!


  • #2537
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,089 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    I don't think the official channels have used the word cumulative. That only exists on boards.

    Well they said "total admitted since the start" at one point.


  • #2538
    Ulysses Gaze
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    The benelux region is also now recording a similar number of deaths per capita as Italy and Spain

    Nearly 400 deaths there today, it has a population which is about half of that of Spain/Italy

    Rutte and co went down the Herd Immunity path and it is going to bite them royally on the ass.


  • #2539
    [Deleted User]
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    This has been made very clear. Dr Catherine Motherway warned that ICUs in Dublin are under significant pressure with 107 patients currently on ventilators while there are another 26 patients, with suspected coronavirus, in ICU beds.

    Where's the misreporting there?

    She is either purposely or accidentally misrepresenting the figures. The hse just confimed that a total since the start of 103 patients have been admitted to ICU since the beginning of the outbreak. This simply does not tally with the occasional claims of these numbers being current.


  • #2540
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    UAE has tested 300,000 people out of it's population of 9.1 million. I assume that is the highest level per capita in the world. It has just 600 cases, so coronvairus is clearly not at widespread pandemic levels in all regions on earth


  • #2541
    [Deleted User]
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    Ha this is a lovely little thing


    https://twitter.com/SmithsonianChan/status/1244602381834297344


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  • #2542
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Good post.

    I did not know that about visitors being allowed back in. This is worrying if true. It was asking for trouble. If that was the cause of the nursing home clusters, its scandalous. I hope its not true though. The chances of a public report on it are slim.

    The handling of nursing homes was just one of a catalog of errors made by the government and HSE, whose incompetence help spread this far and wide here. Remember the advice that you didn't need to isolate after returning from Italy unless you displayed symptoms? That caused a doctor returned from Italy to do a hospital shift and other work. Complete incompetence.

    The fact that Paul Reid came out of his own cocoon to address this issue in a press briefing clearly indicates that he had to field a lot of angry calls from the individual CEO’s of hospitals/ state run Nursing homes/ residential institutes questioning the wisdom of our CMO.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0307/1120765-coronavirus/


  • #2543
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Lockdowns in Italy and Spain are starting to get to people - that 4 week limit, which has been mentioned in our own briefings.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/tempers-fray-as-coronavirus-lockdown-fatigue-hits-italy-and-spain-1.4216812

    Can you imagine it in July ? with 35C heat outside and trying to keep people away from the beaches ?

    Not to mention next summer 2021 ....

    f*cking sh!tshow, the whole thing ...


  • #2544
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Lockdowns in Italy and Spain are starting to get to people - that 4 week limit, which has been mentioned in our own briefings.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/tempers-fray-as-coronavirus-lockdown-fatigue-hits-italy-and-spain-1.4216812
    I strongly suspect we'll not see similar here ITS, or it'll be isolated cases. For a few reasons. I know it's a bit of a stereotype, but we're generally not as "hot headed" as some cultures and we tend to be more compliant socially and with regard to the authorities and there's the "shure it'll be grand like" factor here.

    Secondly our population density and type of average housing that will be yet another factor in lessening both the spread and community psychology. Being cooped up in an apartment block with a thousand others is a lot harder on the mind than being inside a house with a garden. A family of four or five stuck in a house is tough enough, but the same setup in a generally much smaller apartment is much tougher. Having being "on the ground" in such places down the years, the culture is a much more outside where we live focused one than Ireland's. We're more house and indoors focused. Even our climate might come into it too. Baking hot summers are harder to stay in for and tempers can fray.

    Even how we get around could make a difference. In high living density areas people are more likely to walk and use public transport, the latter being a much bigger contagion risk than Ireland where we tend to drive ourselves more.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #2545
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Lockdowns in Italy and Spain are starting to get to people - that 4 week limit, which has been mentioned in our own briefings.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/tempers-fray-as-coronavirus-lockdown-fatigue-hits-italy-and-spain-1.4216812

    Italy has been in almost complete lockdown since 10th March. I think we are beginning to see what is the extent people’s endurance for this degree of restriction without seeing much result for their efforts. As the summer kicks in and the weather gets hotter, frustration will inevitably grow.
    Other countries will be able to learn lessons from this.


  • #2546
    Kilboor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Kilboor


    John.Icy wrote: »
    Lads quit blaming testing capacity.

    ~95% of tests are negative. Thousands being tested. It just isn't a catastrophic amount of people infected that some weird people are looking for it seems??

    Seriously...everytime the "200" new case comes out of Tony's mouth everyone jumps straight to "ah they just are not testing enough so the true number is hidden".

    People are so desperate for a surge christ.

    Everybody wants to try be the person who was right. It's pathetic.


  • #2547
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I strongly suspect we'll not see similar here ITS, or it'll be isolated cases. For a few reasons. I know it's a bit of a stereotype, but we're generally not as "hot headed" as some cultures and we tend to be more compliant socially and with regard to the authorities and there's the "shure it'll be grand like" factor here.

    Secondly our population density and type of average housing that will be yet another factor in lessening both the spread and community psychology. Being cooped up in an apartment block with a thousand others is a lot harder on the mind than being inside a house with a garden. A family of four or five stuck in a house is tough enough, but the same setup in a generally much smaller apartment is much tougher. Having being "on the ground" in such places down the years, the culture is a much more outside where we live focused one than Ireland's. We're more house and indoors focused. Even our climate might come into it too. Baking hot summers are harder to stay in for and tempers can fray.

    Even how we get around could make a difference. In high living density areas people are more likely to walk and use public transport, the latter being a much bigger contagion risk than Ireland where we tend to drive ourselves more.

    I think as long as people are still getting some from of welfare assistance and mortgages being paused etc...we'll cope pretty well. If that stops all bets are off the table.


  • #2548
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Looking at how other countries with smaller populations in Europe have handled this , emphasis the fact that we have done a terrible job at this. Death and ICU numbers are way higher than countries of our size and some with over 10m population. They all closed flights much sooner than we did.

    In terms of deaths per capita we're far lower than every large country, lower than the Benelux countries, half that of our nearest neighbour and the one we share a land border with, lower than Austria, Denmark, Sweden or Portugal.

    Yes you can pick out the odd Eastern European country who have stats that look better than ours if you trust them, but it's ridiculous to say that Ireland has done a terrible job. The obsession with closing flights is a red herring as shown by the fact that the worst affected country, Italy, is also the one that closed flights earliest before the outbreak. Good governance is about following the science and evidence and listening to the experts, not about grand ineffectual populist gestures.


  • #2549
    is_that_so
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Italy has been in almost complete lockdown since 10th March. I think we are beginning to see what is the extent people’s endurance for this degree of restriction without seeing much result for their efforts. As the summer kicks in and the weather gets hotter, frustration will inevitably grow.
    Other countries will be able to learn lessons from this.
    Apart from the enormous sympathy those stuck in it deserve, it is interesting to see that assertion about the length of effective lockdown being confirmed.


  • #2550
    Lwaker.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭Lwaker.


    How long can we afford the current lockdown?


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  • #2551
    Cork Boy 53
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    UAE has tested 300,000 people out of it's population of 9.1 million. I assume that is the highest level per capita in the world. It has just 600 cases, so coronvairus is clearly not at widespread pandemic levels in all regions on earth

    What is the death toll there at present?


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